Fast food is a desirable commodity for Americans, fast food and working restaurants in general can be a very stressful and tough job. Go to any restaurant at lunch or dinner and its usually slam packed and busy. Sure the process of making food is not that hard, but its the stress of having to make it quickly, correctly and pumping it out for order after order.
[QUOTE=mark6789;42010512]$8 and thats it. You want a high paying job? Get a certificate or a degree. Make something of yourself. People who now make $15 an hour have probably worked hard to get where there at and have to do hard work everyday. While these clowns who work at fast food want the same pay because of what? The "hard" work they do? Try working at Sony during this 95 degree weather with no fans in a factory with only $9 an hour for 12 hours straight. This is all bullshit.[/QUOTE]
college is too expensive for some
I make $8 as a (the only competent of 3) receiving clerks at a 4 star resort, so I work with a lot of the cooks. Most of them work two cook jobs make ends meet.
[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;42014417]college is too expensive for some[/QUOTE]
Is community college really that expensive?
[QUOTE=mark6789;42010642]I do think 7 is to low for these jobs but they dont deserve that much of a higher pay when they dont have that hard of a job.[/QUOTE]
catering is a lot harder than you would begin to think
i haven't worked outside of a restaurant but i'm almost certain working in a fast food chain is mega stressful from what friends tell me
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42014592]catering is a lot harder than you would begin to think
i haven't worked outside of a restaurant but i'm almost certain fast food is mega stressful[/QUOTE]
Most likely much more fast paced than a restaurant.
[QUOTE=Auto Taco;42014490]Is community college really that expensive?[/QUOTE]
Depends on state, and current status of the state, classes you are taking, and a bit more. For example, this semester it is costing me around 300 more than the previous major semester(spring, as I consider the summer semester the lesser one), just for the credits mind you, which are about the same price, except one class had a book that cost $300 by itself, but we were able to use an older edition.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42010091]It also leads to people not taking them seriously. Thats not good for strikers.[/QUOTE]
Ugh you know nothing
You can't say someone who is in the business cogs shouldn't be taken seriously
they make the money
I still remember being grateful when I got my first job that Massachusetts' minimum wage was $8 instead of the federal minimum wage.
$10.25 Adult minimum wage Ontario yee
[QUOTE=Auto Taco;42014490]Is community college really that expensive?[/QUOTE]
It's not too bad; roughly $3500 a year or so for me. There's a pretty hefty stigma against community college in the USA for some reason though, so a lot of people feel like they have to go to a more expensive 4-year university which can lead to some serious debt. College is way too expensive in this country, and it doesn't need to be.
[QUOTE=mark6789;42010512]$8 and thats it. You want a high paying job? Get a certificate or a degree. Make something of yourself. People who now make $15 an hour have probably worked hard to get where there at and have to do hard work everyday. While these clowns who work at fast food want the same pay because of what? The "hard" work they do? Try working at Sony during this 95 degree weather with no fans in a factory with only $9 an hour for 12 hours straight. This is all bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha are you serious.
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[QUOTE=Beelzebub;42010540]get a certificate or a degree then and make something of yerself instead of working a shitty factory job then[/QUOTE]
Yeah because that's so easy and college is inexpensive....right?
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[QUOTE=Bryanrocks0;42011755]I don't understand this. You don't work at a fast food place for years then complain about the wages. You work there long enough to find something better so you can support yourself.[/QUOTE]
pursuing higher education is not cheap after high school if you didn't do well enough to get scholarships(most people) Have fun paying for loans while working a shit job while trying to get a degree that will take 4 or more years.
Just fire them and get people who are willing to work for that amount
The problem isn't fast food businesses.
The problem is that the standard of living has dramatically changed here in the USA. The dollar has reached its peak
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;42011782]Exactly. If you base your career off of working at a fast food place, you're doing something wrong.
Theres a reason you only see young adults and old people working at these places, same reason you mostly see them at retail stores. They're great jobs for people who can't get a real, stable job when they are young and they need to temporarily support themselves before they have accumulated debt and they have car, house, and family bills.[/QUOTE]
The issue isn't that it's a starting point, it's that the American minimum wage is too low and it's not being corrected on a government level.
There are certain small towns where there aren't many career options for young people and simply getting by becomes the objective, you shouldn't be fucked in the ass because you have no other job to go to.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42013794]Don't get a double degree if you can't afford it. Why should someone else be forced to pay for your personal choices?
People always think of loans as some terrible demon force, but they're not. Loans are a great way to delay payment for worthwhile things and a degree is one of these things (depending on the degree).[/QUOTE]
Serious? I can't afford to pay for uni fees without being in a job [b]that requires a university education to get into[/b]. I do have a loan with the government which I pay off once I start earning enough, which is a fair system.
But yeah, not everyone out there is born into a rich family where they can pay $5,000 a semester with no worries.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42013417]I'm not advocating any wage. People should be paid what their work is worth. The only way to know what one's work is worth is by what someone else is willing to freely pay you.
Also, they would be doing the same exact work even if they were paid more. The skills they learn wouldn't change.[/QUOTE]
Hi, this is how you get businesses undercutting eachother. This only hurts the employee, as they are the ones getting screwed out of the money that they should be getting paid.
Major corporations are not your neighbor. They don't care about what they are paying you. If it was allowed, most major corporations would pay their basic workers as little as possible. Your work is only as valuable as their competition deems it, and therefor, you and your wages are expendable.
And hey, guess what, all of those independent students that are trying to support themselves while getting degrees to better themselves won't be able to, because they wont be able to pay their expenses with the substandard wages they are being paid. So the only students (and therefor people) who get to better themselves are the ones who have their expenses payed for by someone else, namely their family.
I'm surprised how many people think raising the minimum wage will help. Ultimately raising the minimum wage will cause either:
1) Unemployment
2) Inflation
Neither of which are good.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;42019407]I'm surprised how many people think raising the minimum wage will help. Ultimately raising the minimum wage will cause either:
1) Unemployment
2) Inflation
Neither of which are good.[/QUOTE]
On the other side of it, having to work upwards of 50-70 hours a week just to earn a living wage is also not a good thing. It's an ugly situation no matter how you look at it.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;42018216]Serious? I can't afford to pay for uni fees without being in a job [B]that requires a university education to get into[/B]. I do have a loan with the government which I pay off once I start earning enough, which is a fair system.
But yeah, not everyone out there is born into a rich family where they can pay $5,000 a semester with no worries.[/QUOTE]
As a domestic Australian, you don't have heaps to complain about on this front. Rent Assistance covers most of your rent/bills, so you can live off $200 a week for your food which, luckily in Australia is like 8-10 hours' work in even a Cafe job.
Plus, if you're studying Law (you are, right?) you'll be earning enough to pay it back in a couple of years after graduation.
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;42019586]As a domestic Australian, you don't have heaps to complain about on this front. Rent Assistance covers most of your rent/bills, so you can live off $200 a week for your food which, luckily in Australia is like 8-10 hours' work in even a Cafe job.
Plus, if you're studying Law (you are, right?) you'll be earning enough to pay it back in a couple of years after graduation.[/QUOTE]
Government assistance is okay, I get $235 a fortnight (government reckons I'm still dependant on my parents despite not living with them or receiving money from them in more than six months) but that only just covers my rent and half of my contribution to the electricity bill for a fortnight. And you're close haha, I study Business and Commerce which is a part of my uni's Business and Law school.
But my point regarding sgman91 is that I have no choice but to use taxpayer money to help support myself until I get out of uni and can start paying it off. sgman91 reckons if I can't afford it I shouldn't do it, but the only way I can afford to cover uni fees is to be in a job that requires a uni qualification haha.
I think people are missing the point of all this.
Anyone who makes like 10-11 dollars an hour NO MATTER WHAT JOB are below the poverty line. That means less then 20k-22k a year. How the fuck can you expect someone to live off of that...you can't.
Yes you get paid for the type of work and skill involved in that work, but some of these people are literally getting worked like slaves. A lot of people come up with bullshit ideas like "omg this will inflate prices." Prices are already inflated and wages need to rise to match that inflation...not the other way around.
Pretty sad that people view point is "I get paid this much to do this, so why should they get that much when I'm much more better then them."
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;42019486]On the other side of it, having to work upwards of 50-70 hours a week just to earn a living wage is also not a good thing. It's an ugly situation no matter how you look at it.[/QUOTE]
Learn a useful skills and become employable at a decent wage level? I'm not even a graduate yet and I have 3 jobs, two of which are skilled (software developer + sysadmin). Teaching yourself something useful goes miles.
Flipping burgers that cost $2 isn't going to be worth $13 to an employer, seen as human costs are only a part of that $2 burger - especially considering the tiny profit margin on cheap food a trained monkey could make
I hope this lasts for a while or at least happens again; I might be able to get myself a side job by replacing someone
[QUOTE=Flapadar;42022883]Learn a useful skills and become employable at a decent wage level? I'm not even a graduate yet and I have 3 jobs, two of which are skilled (software developer + sysadmin). Teaching yourself something useful goes miles.
Flipping burgers that cost $2 isn't going to be worth $13 to an employer, seen as human costs are only a part of that $2 burger - especially considering the tiny profit margin on cheap food a trained monkey could make[/QUOTE]
a trained monkey could make? You have never worked in a kitchen have you.
Skilled laborers in the culinary industry hardly get paid better then their fast food counterparts.
Apprenticeships/internships/job experience are usually only half the requirement for getting a high paying job. You almost always need a degree.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;42023658]a trained monkey could make? You have never worked in a kitchen have you.
Skilled laborers in the culinary industry hardly get paid better then their fast food counterparts.
Apprenticeships/internships/job experience are usually only half the requirement for getting a high paying job. You almost always need a degree.[/QUOTE]
Skilled butchers at my old job got the equivalent of ~$13/hour, while everyone else got less. And that's entry level skilled butchers - more skilled ones got more.
Flipping a burger isn't any more skilled than an average retail job - which I didn't expect decent pay in and neither should anyone else.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;42020232]But my point regarding sgman91 is that I have no choice but to use taxpayer money to help support myself until I get out of uni and can start paying it off. sgman91 reckons if I can't afford it I shouldn't do it, but the only way I can afford to cover uni fees is to be in a job that requires a uni qualification haha.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how it is over there, but in the US there are private loans that you don't have to start paying off until a year after you graduate (well, there were until the government took it over a couple years ago). You get the loans, get your higher paying job with the degree, and pay off the loans.
If the job doesn't make enough to pay off the loans then the degree wasn't worth getting.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;42022883]Learn a useful skills and become employable at a decent wage level? I'm not even a graduate yet and I have 3 jobs, two of which are skilled (software developer + sysadmin). Teaching yourself something useful goes miles.[/QUOTE]
Someone has to do the unskilled jobs, and doing one should be enough to live comfortably. Beyond that should afford you luxuries.
It's pathetic that it's possible to have a full-time job and still not make enough money to have your own place.
Plus the service industry (especially food service) is home to some of the least cushy jobs in the world so while they're unskilled, they're miles from being easy.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42024428]I don't know how it is over there, but in the US there are private loans that you don't have to start paying off until a year after you graduate (well, there were until the government took it over a couple years ago). You get the loans, get your higher paying job with the degree, and pay off the loans.
If the job doesn't make enough to pay off the loans then the degree wasn't worth getting.[/QUOTE]
There's actually similar system here in the UK but you overlook one pretty large factor, your assuming you can walk into a Job at the end of it all. It's an employers market and if they don't like you for what ever reason then you won't get the job. They can afford to be as picky as they like when 40+ people are going for that 1 decent job.
Many people here get stuck in these low end jobs and fail to get out and have this debt hanging over them for years, it's not for the want of trying to get out either, they just really can't get the jobs. And then we have the added problem that our government want people to work later into their lives before they retire, so jobs simply aint freeing up or you get older people taking the jobs of younger people and their experience is always whats swings it.
Obviously i have no idea if the same can be said for either Australia or the US though.
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