• Germany's Merkel says refugees must return home once war is over
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[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49644571][URL="https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800012697/1371914727881/2005_17_brottslighet_bland_personer_fodda_sverige_och_utlandet.pdf"]Let's read a report about migrants and crime.[/URL] The report shows that migrants are much more likely to commit criminal acts than natives. We can safely assume that this holds true in the context of rape, especially due to the prevalence of rape in the Middle East and North Africa. So, you're concerned with defending refugees but didn't make the effort of educating yourself. Hmm. So If I agree with you I'm not pushing an agenda but If I don't I'm lying because [B][U][I]GRRRR I HATE MUSLIMS[/I][/U][/B][/QUOTE] An extensive [URL="https://www.piresearch.nl/files/1683/driessen+e.a.+(2014)+de+ontwikkeling+van+de+criminaliteit+van.pdf"] study done in request of the Dutch National Police[/URL] published in 2014 concluded the exact opposite though, namely that there is no link between ethnicity and crime. [QUOTE]To clearly establish the ethnicity of the youth, both the country of origin of the father as well as that of the mother have been taken into account. With, for example, 'Antillean youth', this study means young people who have both an Antillean father as well as an Antillean mother. Young people with two immigrant parents appear to not be more criminal than young people with two Dutch parents. Young people who have a Dutch parent and an immigrant parent are slightly more criminal, but these differences are small. When the country of origin of the young people is also looked at, there still appear to be no differences between Dutch-born young people and elsewhere-born young people. With this self-reporting study it is thus not possible to replicate the on police registations based findings that immigrant youths show more criminal behaviour. The differences between immigrants and natives and between different immigrant groups appear to also be minimal when based on registrations by police. That immigrant youths in this study are no (or barely) more criminal than native youths, is because of overrepresentation of neighbourhoods with a lot of immigrant residents in this study. Within such neighbourhoods, the distinction native-immigrant does not play a part in the prediction of criminal behaviour.[/QUOTE] According to the report, crime has more to do with what friends you have and the neighbourhood you live in than ethnicity. Native Dutch people were just as likely to be criminals in the neighbourhoods that were examined as people who had 2 foreign parents. The reason that migrants are overrepresented (at least in our crime rates) is that migrants end up in these shit neighbourhoods where they get bad influences. And also, Amnesty International and a few other organizations have said that there is some racial profiling going on in our Police Force. Ex-asylumseekers are 3 times as likely to be suspected of committing a crime than native Dutch people. So if you take all of that into account I think you can definitely conclude that, at least in the Netherlands, migrants are not more likely to commit a crime.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49642366]that's cool can we get a response to the post that posted sources, indicating that sweden is not the rape capital of europe? or are you just going to post the above so that you can avoid actually talking about sources, evidence and studies[/QUOTE] I'm not arguing for one side or another. I'm just saying the absolutely true fact that "You're racist/islamophobic/whatever else" is not an actual counterargument even though I see it here all the time. I don't actually agree with the initial post. I just think "you're islamophobic" is a non-rebuttal and deserves to be called out as such.
yeah, good luck
[QUOTE=Warriorx4;49639697]Wonder what the textbooks of the future will say about Merkel's tenure.[/QUOTE] Biggest snake-bird [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=phygon;49645513]I'm not arguing for one side or another. I'm just saying the absolutely true fact that "You're racist/islamophobic/whatever else" is not an actual counterargument even though I see it here all the time. I don't actually agree with the initial post. I just think "you're islamophobic" is a non-rebuttal and deserves to be called out as such.[/QUOTE] Of course it is as long as you acknowledge that islamophobia, homophobia and all of that jazz is wrong and dumb. [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49644571][URL="https://www.bra.se/download/18.cba82f7130f475a2f1800012697/1371914727881/2005_17_brottslighet_bland_personer_fodda_sverige_och_utlandet.pdf"]Let's read a report about migrants and crime.[/URL] The report shows that migrants are much more likely to commit criminal acts than natives. We can safely assume that this holds true in the context of rape, especially due to the prevalence of rape in the Middle East and North Africa. So, you're concerned with defending refugees but didn't make the effort of educating yourself. Hmm. So If I agree with you I'm not pushing an agenda but If I don't I'm lying because [B][U][I]GRRRR I HATE MUSLIMS[/I][/U][/B][/QUOTE] You are are mixing corelation with causality here. A mistake the study doesn't commit. It just presents numbers. The "GRRRR I HATE MUSLIMS" thing comes from the spin you decided to give your interpretation without taking other reasons into account. [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=maniacykt;49642999]Welp, that's what you get for acting without thinking what will happen next. Europe, you basically fucked yourself. And did it willingly I must add. I mean, taking refuges is a humane and right thing to do, sure, but you cannot just do it and think 'it'll sort itself out'. Because, shit, it didn't. When you do something like this you NEED to do that kind of stuff smart not full retard. Now people are getting raped, robbed and shit. And now you really brought it on yourself.[/QUOTE] Good thing noone thought that and all Pro-Asylum people I've ever met or that are in media or in any position to change anything acknowledge that of course there are problems to be solved.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49649110]as long as you acknowledge that islamophobia, . . . is wrong and dumb.[/QUOTE] There's nothing wrong with having a ration distrust of one of the most violently practiced religions currently on earth. There is nothing "Irrational" about fearing the spread of Islam. Obviously some people take that way too far, but you wouldn't exactly want religious Christians regaining tons of control over our policy making either, now would you?
[QUOTE=Killuah;49649110] Of course it is as long as you acknowledge that islamophobia, homophobia and all of that jazz is wrong and dumb.[/QUOTE] Well, that depends. Are you referring to the religion, or those that follow it? I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with disliking a religion, not at all. Hating all members of said religion would be bigoted, but the religion itself?
[QUOTE=Killuah;49649110] Of course it is as long as you acknowledge that islamophobia, homophobia and all of that jazz is wrong and dumb.[/QUOTE] Hating people just because they take on a label is stupid but its completely fine to hate or just be against backwards ideologies. Wahabi Islam should probably be hated, etc.
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