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[QUOTE=TheTalon;46199867]No, no we shouldn't. I'm tired of the WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING mentality my country has. If NK wants to throw the first stone and invade SK, then sure, we should do something. But until then, Nope. It's not our place to say Hey you're doing this wrong we're going to change it by force, and use up billions of dollars and thousands of lives to achieve what will essentially be making things worse. Look at Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam. Especially Vietnam. What good did we do there? Not a fucking thing, and it's almost a great place now, no thanks to us what so ever, yet look at all the money and death that took place. For nothing.[/QUOTE] We don't want an intervention because what NK is doing on their own territory. We want intervention because of the bullshit that keeps going on thanks to them. Things like artillery constantly pointed at civilians, assassination attempts on anti-communist activists in SK, and the piling amount of incidents that were likely caused by communist agents.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;46200822]Well the odd part is that, at least in the air force, we don't have any specialized training with weapons unless we're going to Iraq or Afghanistan, which are full fledged deployments. South Korea isn't a war zone but it's treated as such.[/QUOTE] They don't make you practice your shootbangs? man that's p bad, even here even tho we're a underfunded mess we had to practice our shootbangs. i don't have any experience with AF here but im p sure even they have to practice their shootbangs
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46198992]So should we invade China, Cuba, and Russia then too?[/QUOTE] Cuba has made many positive changes regarding human rights. Russia and China are bad, but no where NEAR North Korea's level. [editline]10th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Laserbeams;46199610]There's a good chance that North Korea will win this[/QUOTE] With outdated equipment, and the ability to sustain a war for, what, a few days? Most of the people there are so terrified they fake being loyal to the government.
[QUOTE=Friendly;46198641]Do escalate, and free the people of North Korea.[/QUOTE] You realize it's not going to be as simple as "Walk in, Shoot bad guys, win" right? They've been taught since they could read that their leaders were basically gods, and that's what ultimately keeps them all in line. They'd revolt and end up seeing this as an act of western aggression that they were always told about.
[QUOTE=pvt.jenkins;46198768]soviet military doctrine discourages individual thinking. im p sure if we invaded nk it'd be iraq war 3 electric boogaloo but ten times worse. honestly nk throwing the first stone would be the best possible situation because they'll loose a chunk of their military strength in a attack.[/QUOTE] That and I'm pretty sure China, their most powerful ally, said they wouldn't back up NK if NK attacked first.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46199610]There's a good chance that North Korea will win this[/QUOTE] North Korea [I]couldn't[/I] win even if South Korea couldn't take them on their own, the rest of the world or at least the US would never let that happen
[QUOTE=Friendly;46198641]Do escalate, and free the people of North Korea.[/QUOTE] Oh my lord. How much ignorance in that sentence. And the 36 guys who agreed. Jesus, do you even tried to understand what a war with the north implies? After you "free" the people of North Korea, who's going to withstand all the burden that comes with a fucking million refugees fleeing south for better living conditions? If eastern Germany has had problems up till today with unemployment due to the difference between west-east after they reunited....HA! Korea would be a total fuck up. Plus, the North Korean army doesn't have a chance given that the US pre-deploys divisions and brigades to the area. Anybody who is informed about the situation knows that the North Koreans rely solely on a full fledged first strike intending to overrun all the first line defenses, take advantage of disorganization in comms and leadership and then try to push further southwards, then settle in for peace talks. They basically have the same Soviet mindset of the 80's regarding the Fulda Gap: It's all over the first strike or we pack up and try to exile ourselves to China. Yes, ok. They have the largest tunnel complex in the world. Can mobilize almost their population. Have a fanatic mindset. But what? Even the Iraqi army, one of the biggest in this planet at its time when it faced the US army, was turned into ashes. And that taking into account that they had a vastly more industrialized and viable economy. North Korea depends, today, on a lot of foreign help. That's one of the reasons because they once in a while threaten everybody with nuclear weapons. Because it's the only move they've got to make the US sit at the table and talk. When the first NK guy appears on SK soil, all foreign help will cease. And that's when the timer starts clocking. They fail at pushing southwards? Tough luck. US will completely wreck and utterly destroy with all they've got their supply infrastructure. Got 1.000.000 troops and no trucks? Good luck trying to mount an offensive against the US, JP and SK army m8. EDIT: Ok, you want to consider a guerilla scenario where they retreat to the tunnel complexes and go all "Wolverines!" on the US army ass? The US just, LITERALLY, sits at the border and wins the war. Of course, ONLY AND ONLY IF they control airspace over Northern North Korea. Why? Well because China would do what the Vietnamese did with the Ho Chi Minh trail: Insert supplies in small and mobile vehicles.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;46200822]Well the odd part is that, at least in the air force, we don't have any specialized training with weapons unless we're going to Iraq or Afghanistan, which are full fledged deployments. South Korea isn't a war zone but it's treated as such.[/QUOTE] North and South Korea are at war. The Korean War never fully ended; [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Armistice_Agreement"]the armistice that was signed was not a permanent peace treaty[/URL]. (An armistice that America violated three years later by arming the South with nukes.) It's just a war that's been cold for so long that South Korea's figured out how to just get on with their lives and be a functioning country while the DMZ at their northern border is the most heavily-militarized patch of land on the planet. Which is funny considering the full form of DMZ.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;46204302]Even the Iraqi army, one of the biggest in this planet at its time when it faced the US army, was turned into ashes. [/QUOTE] Bad comparison imo. Iraqi's army was bad. Like, vary bad. They lacked training and knowlage in almost everything, from tactics to some very basic things like operating their own tanks and helicopters(which were almost 100% monkey models, by the way). But the most important thing is that they lacked morale. North Korean soldiers may also be bad trained and operate outdated equipment, but their number is much bigger than what Iraq had, and their morale is better. Not to mention that while they can't launch their nukes, they can easily turn them into atomic mines that would still cause enormous damage to allied troops.
please dont invade, like watching starcraft tournaments
[QUOTE=bravehat;46199955]On the other hand the North Koreans opened fire, on balloons.[/QUOTE] On the other hand, they shouldn't have been stupid and sent the balloons. I'm not defending anyone but this [b]is[/b] the wrong way to go about things. Provoking a country which sees the western world as evil, SK civilians or not they should have been stopped You're all probably gonna be like NK shouldnt have shot but FFS they shoot SK yearly, this is provocation
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46200317]North Korea has nukes[/QUOTE]Which they can't yet fit on working missiles, so they might as well be unicorn fart fusion bombs as far as the South Korean military is concerned They're not going to be able get a plane with a nuclear bomb far enough to hit a city, and they wouldn't get much further bringing it through the tunnels. They could probably get quite a few US/SK troops detonating the bomb at the border, creating a great big radioactive breach (or a small one, considering the fizzles they've had), but that's not going to win them the war in the slightest. And if China doesn't drop support for North Korea like a baguette filled with spiders when they attack South Korea, they sure as hell would if they used a nuke. Only an idiot would suggest a war between North and South Korea would be anything but drawn-out and incredibly bloody, but they are not going to win because of 50's era nuclear bomb technology. If anything, it'd just make the war incomprehensibly more vicious and cruel.
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