• Trump threatens to punish all of Alaska because its senators voted against his health care motion
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[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52513487]So what you're saying is we need to worry about [I]Bannon[/I].[/QUOTE] We need to pay as much if not more attention to the Republicans in the House and Senate than we do to the President.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52513487]So what you're saying is we need to worry about [I]Bannon[/I].[/QUOTE] Everyone in the administration needs to be watched, in the house and senate included.
[QUOTE=Splarg!;52512766]Six months of this administration's behavior legitimately makes you wonder how they would handle ceding power to a democratic president, provided that Trump made it to the end of his term and lost.[/QUOTE] you'd have a point if he ever truly intended to be president
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890168183079960576[/media] It still shocks me that the president of the United States of America calls people out over Twitter. Most grown adults know better than to do something so pathetic.
just as an asside, does it seem like trump acts more brazen to the women senators than to the men because he should be fucking livid at mccain or portman or any of the dozen senators that voted against any of the repeal bills but instead he decided to point his guns at the women who voted against it
[QUOTE=Sableye;52517647]just as an asside, does it seem like trump acts more brazen to the women senators than to the men because he should be fucking livid at mccain or portman or any of the dozen senators that voted against any of the repeal bills but instead he decided to point his guns at the women who voted against it[/QUOTE] It's almost like he doesn't respect women or something.
Well hey, thanks for giving six points to the blue candidate in the next election. Why not punish Arizona too, give us another 22 points?
Totally how a rational, professional leader should act. Get him out of there :hairpull:
[QUOTE=Daemon White;52512734]Nah, just give them over to Canada probably. Slowly making out way towards this [img]http://i.imgur.com/CE7FUak.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Make Alaska contiguous again.
[QUOTE=Sableye;52517647]just as an asside, does it seem like trump acts more brazen to the women senators than to the men because he should be fucking livid at mccain or portman or any of the dozen senators that voted against any of the repeal bills but instead he decided to point his guns at the women who voted against it[/QUOTE] Probably more has to do with both Republican senators in a state denying the vote rather than Trump just hating women. He threatened the whole state as well as both senators, not just the female senator.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52518437]Probably more has to do with both Republican senators in a state denying the vote rather than Trump just hating women. He threatened the whole state as well as both senators, not just the female senator.[/QUOTE] Just goes to show how much of an insecure little bitch Trump is, to be honest. He's so used to running a business where he can simply coerce or intimidate people into doing what [I]he[/I] wants. But now he's in a system where there are opinions besides his that matter, and it's like he can't handle it for some reason*. *"some reason" being he's an egotistical asshole
[QUOTE=Daemon White;52512734]Nah, just give them over to Canada probably. Slowly making out way towards this [img]http://i.imgur.com/CE7FUak.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] You know, I'll come across as an asshole for saying this, but America can keep Americans, thanks. The politics of most Democrats are further right than most of our Conservatives, and today's Republicans, Trump supporters in particular, are straight up fascists. Doubtless there are a great many Americans who have views that'd allow them to integrate well into our culture, but I honestly believe that if any significant number of our southern neighbors were to migrate here (especially considering they've ten times our population) it'd turn the country I love into a shithole. Maybe once America has more sane politics again.
[QUOTE=archangel125;52519558]You know, I'll come across as an asshole for saying this, but America can keep Americans, thanks. The politics of most Democrats are further right than most of our Conservatives, and today's Republicans, Trump supporters in particular, are straight up fascists. Doubtless there are a great many Americans who have views that'd allow them to integrate well into our culture, but I honestly believe that if any significant number of our southern neighbors were to migrate here (especially considering they've ten times our population) it'd turn the country I love into a shithole. Maybe once America has more sane politics again.[/QUOTE] I wonder if the irony of what you are saying is lost on you. Just change the nationalities of the people you're talking about... :/
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52519653]I wonder if the irony of what you are saying is lost on you. Just change the nationalities of the people you're talking about... :/[/QUOTE] No, I realize that. I guess it's the same old song: If anyone who wants to move here, regardless of their politics or place of origin, is willing to integrate and respect Canada's values, they're more than welcome.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52519653]I wonder if the irony of what you are saying is lost on you. Just change the nationalities of the people you're talking about... :/[/QUOTE] He's not exactly lying in the first part of his post. American politics ARE either hyper-fascist in the form of the GOP, or "pretty damn fucking very conservative" in the form of the Democratic party. On the other point, if the 25-30% of Americans that voted for an openly racist, sexist, retarded manchild for their highest office actually SHARE his views, then you can be damn sure they wouldn't be welcome in 95% of the West.
What I'm trying to point out is that you have to be very careful with how you word things and your rhetoric. Because with the way arch's points were worded, they can be easily (and wrongly) to justify disgusting views on immigrants from other countries, etc.
I'm a little amazed by all the people imagining a world where he doesn't give power to the next president elect if he loses in 3.5 years. He hates this job.
[QUOTE=archangel125;52519558]You know, I'll come across as an asshole for saying this, but America can keep Americans, thanks. The politics of most Democrats are further right than most of our Conservatives, and today's Republicans, Trump supporters in particular, are straight up fascists. Doubtless there are a great many Americans who have views that'd allow them to integrate well into our culture, but I honestly believe that if any significant number of our southern neighbors were to migrate here (especially considering they've ten times our population) it'd turn the country I love into a shithole. Maybe once America has more sane politics again.[/QUOTE] It's pretty important to remember, however, that Democratic politicians tend to be further right than Democratic supporters. Facepunch's American demographic should be a perfect example of the flaw in your thinking. The vast majority of us vote Democrat because our options are to A.) Waste our vote (vote independent), 2.) vote for some really shit people (vote Republican) or Three.) Vote for a reasonably moderate party who at least show [I]some[/I] intent of fixing things. (Voting Democrat.)
[QUOTE=archangel125;52519558]You know, I'll come across as an asshole for saying this, but America can keep Americans, thanks. The politics of most Democrats are further right than most of our Conservatives, and today's Republicans, Trump supporters in particular, are straight up fascists. Doubtless there are a great many Americans who have views that'd allow them to integrate well into our culture, but I honestly believe that if any significant number of our southern neighbors were to migrate here (especially considering they've ten times our population) it'd turn the country I love into a shithole. Maybe once America has more sane politics again.[/QUOTE] Nice dude. So I guess if I say the same things about muslims coming here you won't get upset, right? I mean it's the same logic you're using
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52521035]Nice dude. So I guess if I say the same things about muslims coming here you won't get upset, right? I mean it's the same logic you're using[/QUOTE] Well that depends. Is "Muslim" a political affiliation I've been unaware of? I'm taking the piss of course and I don't really agree with his line of thinking but it's also disingenuous to say that political affiliation and religious affiliation are the same.
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;52521126]Well that depends. Is "Muslim" a political affiliation I've been unaware of? I'm taking the piss of course and I don't really agree with his line of thinking but it's also disingenuous to say that political affiliation and religious affiliation are the same.[/QUOTE] Its not so much being Muslim, but being from a different region with cultures and ideals that are nearly 180 degrees of ours. Even then, religion and politics aren't far off from one another, and are sometimes the same. I could make an argument how Islam in the middleeast tends to ingrain those sort of ideologies, but I'm not going to kick that hornets nest. Personally I think Archangel's post is really dumb and completely unfounded. Many Americans have moved to America and their ~radical~ ideologies haven't ripped the nation end from end, same for the Chinese, Indian, ect.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52519814]What I'm trying to point out is that you have to be very careful with how you word things and your rhetoric. Because with the way arch's points were worded, they can be easily (and wrongly) to justify disgusting views on immigrants from other countries, etc.[/QUOTE] What's wrong with disliking the idea of immigrants pulling your country in a specific political direction? Personally I'd like Denmark to remain a free-thinking, liberal society - a few immigrants aren't gonna change that, but if the flow of immigrants continues, they need to adopt the important values of the host country. I don't care about the colour of your skin or your religious affiliation, but I don't want to see Denmark regress on LGBT or women's rights (or healthcare and social programs, though those seem even less likely) just to protect someone's sensibilities when it comes to immigrants. It seems very unlikely to me that this will be a big issue, but what's wrong with it in principle?
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52524727]What's wrong with disliking the idea of immigrants pulling your country in a specific political direction? Personally I'd like Denmark to remain a free-thinking, liberal society - a few immigrants aren't gonna change that, but if the flow of immigrants continues, they need to adopt the important values of the host country. I don't care about the colour of your skin or your religious affiliation, but I don't want to see Denmark regress on LGBT or women's rights (or healthcare and social programs, though those seem even less likely) just to protect someone's sensibilities when it comes to immigrants. It seems very unlikely to me that this will be a big issue, but what's wrong with it in principle?[/QUOTE] Because in principle often applies extremely little in practice, and from what I can gather the vast majority of immigrants, and certainly their children, tend to adopt the ideas of their new homeland. I think it's important to realise that most societies with high quality education and public services tend to become more free and liberal as time goes on. I feel if people are worried about immigrants changing their country (where has this happened in the modern world, I ask?), perhaps it would be time for free countries to push for better education and social structures in unfree societies? I just think that the way things can be worded they can sound innocuous, but if you dig deeper down you can see dangerous implications.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52524840]Because in principle often applies extremely little in practice, and from what I can gather the vast majority of immigrants, and certainly their children, tend to adopt the ideas of their new homeland. I think it's important to realise that most societies with high quality education and public services tend to become more free and liberal as time goes on. I feel if people are worried about immigrants changing their country (where has this happened in the modern world, I ask?), perhaps it would be time for free countries to push for better education and social structures in unfree societies? I just think that the way things can be worded they can sound innocuous, but if you dig deeper down you can see dangerous implications.[/QUOTE] Arch's post rode on the implication that a large part of the US would become part of Canada, though, so basically he just said that he thinks the US as a whole is way too conservative. So yeah, it's in principle, not practice. Integration could go quicker, though. Edit: Actually, when it comes to innocuous wording, what you said there could easily be misconstrued as cultural imperialism as well.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52524889]Arch's post rode on the implication that a large part of the US would become part of Canada, though, so basically he just said that he thinks the US as a whole is way too conservative. So yeah, it's in principle, not practice. Integration could go quicker, though. Edit: Actually, when it comes to innocuous wording, what you said there could easily be misconstrued as cultural imperialism as well.[/QUOTE] You're correct when it comes to your edit, I realised that when I was making that post, especially since certain societies that have become richer (such as China) have not become necessarily freer :s
[media]https://twitter.com/lisamurkowski/status/891015068854386688[/media] [QUOTE=Flicky;52512667][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890168183079960576[/media][/QUOTE] stark contrast
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