• Rand Paul Suggests Children Of Illegal Immigrants Should Not Be U.S. Citizens
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[QUOTE=Gordy H.;22224837]It is wrong that alot of illegal immigrants come here and have a kid specifically to get benefits/avoid being deported. Nevertheless, it's unfair to the individual children to refuse them citizenship.[/QUOTE] Best argument ive heard so far. Although, you must be a rear end in a top hat when you have to tell your child: "We only had you because you were our passport to America" Wonder what percentage of illegal immigrants use that child-rubber-band-anchoring-process.
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;22226126]Rand Paul seems to have this weird ability to make Facepunchers agree with whatever he says.[/QUOTE] not really the only people on FP that like him are people like glaber and emperor I'm starting to think that even boba fett is more reasonable than those two
Well to be honest, he does have a case under the 13th amendment since the Parents are illegal immigrants, they aren't subject to U.S. jurisdiction thus the child can be denied instant U.S. citizenship. Or something to that effect, I saw someone post this somewhere. [editline]11:45PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;22226288]Hey guys, what happens if parents are on vacation in the US and they have their kid while on vacation? Does the kid get dual citizenship or something?[/QUOTE] That's how it usually works [editline]11:50PM[/editline] [QUOTE=lolwutdude;22225917]dumbass doesn't even check his facts [url]http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/19/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-claims-us-only-country-automatic-citize/[/url][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Ran Paul]Is the only Country That I know of[/QUOTE] [QUOTE][B]No European nations grant birthright citizenship[/B] (but we note that Romania is on the list). [B]Canada is the [U]only developed nation[/U][/B] other than the United States. [B][U]No nation[/U] in the group other than the United States [I]has more than 200 million people[/I][/B][/QUOTE] It's excusable since the United States is the only country that anyone gives a shit about other than Canada who does it, seriously, who gives a fuck about Azerbaijan or Romania?
Azerbaijanians and Romanians do [editline]09:58PM[/editline] man Azerbaijanians is a real mouthful
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;22225449]I think that any people that registered to facepunch after the 27 of October 2006 should not be considered true members. only us true members who joined on or before the 27th of October 2006 should be allowed to enjoy this forum to it's fullest :downs:[/QUOTE] Wow, someone that makes sense. Fucking refreshing. The utter bullshit of Rand Paul's suggestion is making me choke on its fumes.
Wrap your heads around this: If Rand Paul were to be Senator, and his idea were to be put into law, and by chance it was discovered that his great grandfather on his father's side came here illegally, it would, by his own rule, nullify the citizenship of Ron Paul (remember, regardless of whether they were born here) [i]and[/i] by that measure, Rand Paul. As Rand Paul would no longer be a citizen of Kentucky for at least nine years, he would no longer be qualified for the seat, where he would be replaced and his legislation would be nullified, including the legislation that removed him from office. Doing so would technically make his removal from office no longer on legal grounds as he would once again be a Kentucky resident, re-validating his eligibility, his legal victory, [i]and[/i] the legislation that had made his candidacy invalid in the first place, which brings us back to where we started. Political paradox!
[QUOTE=Omali;22228135]Wrap your heads around this: If Rand Paul were to be Senator, and his idea were to be put into law, and by chance it was discovered that his great grandfather on his father's side came here illegally, it would, by his own rule, nullify the citizenship of Ron Paul (remember, regardless of whether they were born here) [i]and[/i] by that measure, Rand Paul. As Rand Paul would no longer be a citizen of Kentucky for at least nine years, he would no longer be qualified for the seat, where he would be replaced and his legislation would be nullified, including the legislation that removed him from office. Doing so would technically make his removal from office no longer on legal grounds as he would once again be a Kentucky resident, re-validating his eligibility, his legal victory, [i]and[/i] the legislation that had made his candidacy invalid in the first place, which brings us back to where we started. Political paradox![/QUOTE] Retroactive laws tend to be ruled unconstitutional
[QUOTE=Broseph_;22228237]Retroactive laws tend to be ruled unconstitutional[/QUOTE] his idea isn't even retroactive anyway
2 illegal immigrants fuck 10 feet from the Mexican border, have baby at hospital less than a mile away from the Mexican border. Their baby is now American, which makes it a satellite baby, which nearly solidifies the couples ability to stay in the country.
And that is wrong why?
Did not expect facepunch to agree with this
[QUOTE=rathat48;22229042]Did not expect facepunch to agree with this[/QUOTE] there is always gonna be outliers
maybe just make it a lot easier for kids to get citizenship
also, apparently to rand paul and some fpers babies are made instantaneous instead of 9 months.
well they gotta pop outta there at some point
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;22225027]Don't you have to be born, or live in for a certain number of years/months per year to apply for citizenship, usually? I'm pretty sure that's how it is for Canada, at least, but I'm not 100% certain[/QUOTE] from my experiences of getting citizenship it seems to be completly different in most countries when i moved from south africa to england 6 or 7 years ago i instantly got my fathers citizenship (british) but my mum had to apply for citizenship either way just like if they said this in britain i would aggree that illegal immagrant children shouldnt get citizenship but hey lets just see how it goes
I was born in america, my mom is canadian, my dad is british. I already have citizenship in canada and the US, I could quite easily get it for the UK if I chose to. [editline]01:32AM[/editline] hell my parents were (kinda) illegal immigrants.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;22229918]I was born in america, my mom is canadian, my dad is british. I already have citizenship in canada and the US, I could quite easily get it for the UK if I chose to. [editline]01:32AM[/editline] hell my parents were (kinda) illegal immigrants.[/QUOTE] Yeah but that's okay because you're parents aren't dirty spics, Right FP?
[QUOTE=Lambeth;22229918]I was born in america, my mom is canadian, my dad is british. I already have citizenship in canada and the US, I could quite easily get it for the UK if I chose to. [editline]01:32AM[/editline] hell my parents were (kinda) illegal immigrants.[/QUOTE] You're an anchor baby! :downs: But anyways, I thought it was only legal to have at most two citizenships at once? Though I could be wrong; I don't remember where I heard that from.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22234358]You're an anchor baby! :downs: But anyways, I thought it was only legal to have at most two citizenships at once? Though I could be wrong; I don't remember where I heard that from.[/QUOTE] There's no international standard, some countries will revoke your citizenship if you get it elsewhere, and some don't give a fuck how many you have.
[QUOTE=Mexican;22235251]There's no international standard, some countries will revoke your citizenship if you get it elsewhere, and some don't give a fuck how many you have.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/rating/information.png[/img]
Kind of a dick move.
It's stupid that both Pauls, Rand and Ron, continue to claim to be "libertarian". They're just catering to discontent against the establishment. It's fairly obvious that Rand Paul's statement here and others he has made in the past just makes him a right-wing populist nationalist nut job.
[QUOTE=MercZ;22263454]It's stupid that both Pauls, Rand and Ron, continue to claim to be "libertarian". They're just catering to discontent against the establishment. It's fairly obvious that Rand Paul's statement here and others he has made in the past just makes him a right-wing populist nationalist nut job.[/QUOTE] Libertarianism is pretty populist :v:
While he is at it, he should send all white people back to europe, send all black people back to africa and then give america back to the indians. Win, Win and Win situation.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22263959]Libertarianism is pretty populist :v:[/QUOTE] People like Pinochet, Le Pen, and François Duvalier embody populism. Look at what they've done and tell me whether it's "libertarian". Populism is typically an outcropping national embodiment which in certain forms can run opposed to a free market and they don't tend to be accepting of social lifestyles or other groups. The two run opposed to each other. Rand Paul is in the same group of idiots. They think they are libertarians but they are not. They're just latching onto anti-establishment fervor.
You put it into words really well I just call them lunatics.
[QUOTE=MercZ;22264103]People like Pinochet, Le Pen, and François Duvalier embody populism. Look at what they've done and tell me whether it's "libertarian". Populism is typically an outcropping national embodiment which in certain forms can run opposed to a free market and they don't tend to be accepting of social lifestyles or other groups. The two run opposed to each other. Rand Paul is in the same group of idiots. They think they are libertarians but they are not. They're just latching onto anti-establishment fervor.[/QUOTE] Libertarianism wants small government. Of course they're going to sound "anti-establishment".
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22234358]You're an anchor baby! :downs: But anyways, I thought it was only legal to have at most two citizenships at once? Though I could be wrong; I don't remember where I heard that from.[/QUOTE] I can have 3, maybe 4. [editline]04:43PM[/editline] [QUOTE=AwpersAreBad;22232059]Yeah but that's okay because you're parents aren't dirty spics, Right FP?[/QUOTE] They're goddamn dirty limeys
[QUOTE=Daolpu;22224845]The punishment shouldn't be placed on the child. They didn't choose where to be born.[/QUOTE] How is it a punishment?
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