• France Votes Today
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[QUOTE=Govna;52142069][img]https://facepunch.com/fp/flags/ru.png[/img] It's no wonder he doesn't see Le Pen as being a bad thing lol.[/QUOTE] I can put USA flag there aswell, that will be as pointless as you did with Russian flag. [IMG]https://facepunch.com/fp/flags/us.png[/IMG] You should stop looking at flags of those who comment and better read the comment itself. There's always have to be another side of information. Something like "Oh, he's Russian, k, dont listen to him" sounds dumb, cliched and politically imposed.
[QUOTE=DoorCloser;52142164]I can put USA flag there aswell, that will be as pointless as you did with Russian flag. [IMG]https://facepunch.com/fp/flags/us.png[/IMG] [B]You should stop looking at flags of those who comment and better read the comment itself.[/B] There's always have to be another side of information. Something like "Oh, he's Russian, k, dont listen to him" sounds dumb, cliched and politically imposed.[/QUOTE] People see the bad side of France leaving the EU and NATO because the negatives are numerous and far-reaching, and the positives have a low to zero chance of actually materializing.
I wonder, who sponsored feminists to attack Marine Le Pen?
[QUOTE=Vidrobot;52142187]I wonder, who sponsored feminists to attack Marine Le Pen?[/QUOTE] It's inconceivable that the proto-fascist would be protested without monetary incentive eh?
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52142195]It's inconceivable that the proto-fascist would be protested without monetary incentive eh?[/QUOTE] When you believe your politician is not nearly as unpopular as the fake news and fake polls portray, the obvious response to criticism is that it was paid for by the opposition, "the elite".
[QUOTE=Vidrobot;52142187]I wonder, who sponsored feminists to attack Marine Le Pen?[/QUOTE] I wonder who sponsored this comment.
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-Hn6ajXUAEQUay.jpg[/IMG] A little help for americans
[QUOTE=Factemius;52142292] A little help for americans[/QUOTE] I've done very cursory research into Macron as I knew really nothing about him and I think portraying him as "far left" is somewhat laughable. He seems, from my American POV, centrist, maybe even right leaning.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52142312]I've done very cursory research into Macron as I knew really nothing about him and I think portraying him as "far left" is somewhat laughable. He seems, from my American POV, centrist, maybe even right leaning.[/QUOTE] please do not use POV as an acronym for "point of view", it makes me uncomfortable
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52142170]People see the bad side of France leaving the EU and NATO because the negatives are numerous and far-reaching, and the positives have a low to zero chance of actually materializing.[/QUOTE] 1. I wonder where you getting all these statistics about countries with immigrants having more stable economy. Sweden, Czech Republic and Denmark closed all the doors for migrants/refugees. Norway doesn't want any migrants in. These countries are considered having the most stable economy. 2. Why leaving EU and NATO is so much bad and having so much negatives? Could you give me an examples (except GB and small countries). 3. Macron is a banker. I'm almost 100 percent sure he's a protege of oligarchy and mostly will be satisfying rich layer. He's willing to support corporations and deceasing small business. I mean if "no choise one corp. market" is a good thing for you, convesation seems useless...
Uhh... [url]http://www.laprovence.com/actu/en-direct/4419675/le-president-du-dernier-bureau-de-marseille-disparait-les-resultats-suspendus.html[/url] Nicht gut?
[QUOTE=certified;52142350]Uhh... [url]http://www.laprovence.com/actu/en-direct/4419675/le-president-du-dernier-bureau-de-marseille-disparait-les-resultats-suspendus.html[/url] Nicht gut?[/QUOTE] merde
[QUOTE=Factemius;52142292][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-Hn6ajXUAEQUay.jpg[/IMG] A little help for americans[/QUOTE] Going off of this chart, I'd say Hamon is the best choice out of this group, (reduce defense spending, introduce a European minimum wage) with Macron a step behind him. I don't know enough about Euro-specific issues to say for sure though. How does everyone else lean here?
[QUOTE=Factemius;52142335]please do not use POV as an acronym for "point of view", it makes me uncomfortable[/QUOTE] sorry [QUOTE=Mr. Sarcastic;52142381]Going off of this chart, I'd say Hamon is the best choice out of this group, (reduce defense spending, introduce a European minimum wage) with Macron a step behind him. I don't know enough about Euro-specific issues to say for sure though. How does everyone else lean here?[/QUOTE] Yeah I will admit ignorance regarding French politics but just from what I've read this evening, Macron and Fillon seem like decent picks, with Hamon not being my first pick but still better than le Pen.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52142390]EU minimum wage is a terrible idea. If geared for France it would murder Slovakia/Slovenia/Greece. Macrons EU policies are the best, what Hamon is saying there doesnt translate to less military spending, and ECB independence is important.[/QUOTE] Per-location, per industry minimum wage is the ideal see sweden p. much.
[QUOTE=DoorCloser;52142338]1. I wonder where you getting all these statistics about countries with immigrants having more stable economy. Sweden, Czech Republic and Denmark closed all the doors for migrants/refugees. Norway doesn't want any migrants in. These countries are considered having the most stable economy.[/QUOTE] How are you quantifying stability? I was just going off of GDP and relative growth over recent years. As for your list of countries, no. Just no. [QUOTE=DoorCloser;52142338]2. Why leaving EU and NATO is so much bad and having so much negatives? Could you give me an examples (except GB and small countries). [/QUOTE] I know less about Frances role in the EU than I should but regarding NATO, France has nothing to really gain by leaving it. They already have a solid influence (solid enough to convince a Democrat to support bombing North Africa) and seem to support NATO's mission and spending requirements as a percentage of GDP. le Pen's prime reasoning for leaving NATO seems to be hooking up with Russia, which is a shady prospect at best. [QUOTE=DoorCloser;52142338]3. Macron is a banker. I'm almost 100 percent sure he's a protege of oligarchy and mostly will be satisfying rich layer. He's willing to support corporations and deceasing small business. I mean if "no choise one corp. market" is a good thing for you, convesation seems useless...[/QUOTE] So I'm going to take you entirely at your word for this and just ask: How the [I]hell [/I]do you arrive at the conclusion that this person is far-left?
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52142390]EU minimum wage is a terrible idea. If geared for France it would murder Slovakia/Slovenia/Greece. Macrons EU policies are the best, what Hamon is saying there doesnt translate to less military spending, and ECB independence is important.[/QUOTE] yeah but macron will have absolutely no power over the UE in order to apply his policies
[QUOTE=DoorCloser;52142338]Sweden, Czech Republic and Denmark closed all the doors for migrants/refugees. Norway doesn't want any migrants in. These countries are considered having the most stable economy. [/QUOTE] You have a source for this? I'm pretty sure that if Norway suddenly decided to stop taking in any migrants I would know about it (and I would be out protesting it).
[QUOTE=certified;52142350]Uhh... [url]http://www.laprovence.com/actu/en-direct/4419675/le-president-du-dernier-bureau-de-marseille-disparait-les-resultats-suspendus.html[/url] Nicht gut?[/QUOTE] An official holding the ballots of Marseille has disappeared. Well, this won't cause losing candidates to cry foul, no siree bob.
[QUOTE=UnknownDude;52142438]You have a source for this? I'm pretty sure that if Norway suddenly decided to stop taking in any migrants I would know about it (and I would be out protesting it).[/QUOTE] Sweden as we all know has taken lots of refugees, and a quick google search indicates denmark has as well. Though they did cut welfare benefits to refugees. Norway has for sure been one of more exclusive countries to refugees relative to other countries. But they didn't "close all doors" lmao. Also you can't just give a policy, point to a country that is doing good at present, and say that the policy is good. Otherwise I can come up with a list of countries with lots of refugees and a flourishing economy too lol. If you want to make an argument against letting the scary brown people in you'll want to try to demonstrate cause and effect.
[QUOTE=Factemius;52142292][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-Hn6ajXUAEQUay.jpg[/IMG] A little help for americans[/QUOTE] Whoa, what, Le Pen wants to "force Italy" to withdraw from the EU following France? Why Italy? Is that even possible to send another nation out with you, even?
Here's hoping that the increasingly nervous man is right for at least one election.
[QUOTE=Reds;52142827]Here's hoping that the increasingly nervous man is right for at least one election.[/QUOTE] He's been right on a few tho, like austria and the netherlands
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[QUOTE=DoorCloser;52141876]I honestly dont understand all that support to Macron and disrespect to Le Pen. I've thoroughly acquainted with Macron's program and i clearly can say that the best thing he could do is increase salaries. Other things like increasing military expenditure and police state or reducing the number of pupils in classes are totally unnecessary. Rising up economy sounds very indefinably. Reducing taxes on corporations revenues? Hell no its not good. Other program more like common words that people would like to hear. Nothing about how to deal with immigrants, like its not a problem at all. Like he's telling everyone "We'll raise economy, what else do we need to do?". Le pen promises to withdraw France from EU and Nato, but for some reason people only see this at bad side, talking shit like "brexit again" etc. She also got clear point on problem with migrants, as French people mostly got very tired of them living next by and swinging around their rights/stealing their job and money. The only plus to Macron is how he didn't got in any scandal during his tiny electoral program. Summing up, Macron aint planning any clear changes and will keep France in the same stagnation which were with Hollande.[/QUOTE] Le Pen is too holocaust denial-y for my tastes. [editline]23rd April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Vidrobot;52142187]I wonder, who sponsored feminists to attack Marine Le Pen?[/QUOTE] Feminists aren't some sort of weird hivemind
Well at least it's good hope for small parties. I don't think a small party has ever gained so much traction in the french election. Maybe this seemed self evident to people who own a television since this airhead has been hogging all the air time for himself. It's okay that alternance has died but I'm not exactly glad to see it replaced by consensus politics and empty rethorics. Put side to side LM and MLP come down to deepthroating either the US or Russia. So much for sovereignty. I'll see if I can get more people to not vote in turn 2
[QUOTE=DoorCloser;52142338]1. I wonder where you getting all these statistics about countries with immigrants having more stable economy. Sweden, Czech Republic and Denmark closed all the doors for migrants/refugees. Norway doesn't want any migrants in. These countries are considered having the most stable economy. 2. Why leaving EU and NATO is so much bad and having so much negatives? Could you give me an examples (except GB and small countries). 3. Macron is a banker. I'm almost 100 percent sure he's a protege of oligarchy and mostly will be satisfying rich layer. He's willing to support corporations and deceasing small business. I mean if "no choise one corp. market" is a good thing for you, convesation seems useless...[/QUOTE] Denmark hasn't closed its borders, it has instated border control - refugees can still apply for asylum, and migrants can still move to Denmark. Border control has also been an extremely expensive affair with basically no clear benefit - it's only partial, and in a documentary by danish television, they crossed all thirteen border control points (some constant, some weren't) and were stopped and checked once iirc. Both Denmark, Sweden and Norway has large immigrants populations, which basically shows that you can do well regardless.
[QUOTE=DoorCloser;52142338]1. I wonder where you getting all these statistics about countries with immigrants having more stable economy. Sweden, Czech Republic and Denmark closed all the doors for migrants/refugees. Norway doesn't want any migrants in. These countries are considered having the most stable economy. 2. Why leaving EU and NATO is so much bad and having so much negatives? Could you give me an examples (except GB and small countries). 3. Macron is a banker. I'm almost 100 percent sure he's a protege of oligarchy and mostly will be satisfying rich layer. He's willing to support corporations and deceasing small business. I mean if "no choise one corp. market" is a good thing for you, convesation seems useless...[/QUOTE] 1. It's basic economics - it's not about statistics, though I'm sure typing "does immigration benefit economies" in Google and get all the stats you want. 2. Because France leaving the EU might easily have devastating results for the EU. NATO is important because France has a large, experienced and well-supplied army, which is a benefit to NATO and vice-versa being in a defensive union benefits France. 3. Putin is a KGB agent. Extrapolate and ponder on why this is a stupid point.
[QUOTE=NapyDaWise;52140167]Go Mélanchon![/QUOTE] rekt
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election%2C_2017.png[/IMG] It's almost like polling works. Macron at about 24%, Le Pen with 22%, Melenchon and Fillon both getting 19-20%. Considering how many candidates were in this round, it's amazing that they're so close to the final result. Why do people never toxx when they claim that polling can't catch all the embarrassed far right votes?
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