• Man pleads guilty to killing his unborn child after tricking his girlfriend into taking abortion pil
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[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42148172]well one big difference is that a mentally 'delayed' child doesn't require a host[/QUOTE] A parasite doesn't have to live inside something for it to be a host. It's still a parasitic relationship, which is why many ancient cultures killed mentally delayed children at birth.
[QUOTE=Riutet;42148179]If the sheer amount of milk and chicken I have consumed to get to this point could speak, it would say, "Yes I am.".[/QUOTE] Alright you're full of shit, I think we can all see that by now, but you're still insane.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42148183]not wanting your genes to be spread stops being a legitimate factor when you start having sex[/QUOTE] It depends on what measures you take to prevent conception. You could reasonably argue that if you have sex without any form of protection or contraception, then although you don't explicitly consent to having a child, by acting in the face of the overwhelming risk that comes with having sex without contraception, then you to some degree tacitly consent to it. You could argue it the other way around too, if a woman has sex without contraception then not wanting the child stops being a legitimate factor when she starts having sex.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42148183]not wanting your genes to be spread stops being a legitimate factor when you start having sex[/QUOTE] What if you she lies about birth control? It'd be an interesting topic to say the least.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42148140] no you're not[/QUOTE] This dude is bonkers but you really don't know that.
Abortion Pills are even a thing?
[del]i made this thread already a while back. it's old news. [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1271223&highlight=[/url][/del] looks like it's a recent article about him pleading guilty, the old one was about the initial arrest.
[QUOTE=JuiceHead3311;42148289]What if you she lies about birth control? It'd be an interesting topic to say the least.[/QUOTE] Why would she lie about birth control? You're not actually one of those people who thinks that women lie so they can live an easy life off welfare money and child support, are you?
[QUOTE=sgman91;42148195]A parasite doesn't have to live inside something for it to be a host. It's still a parasitic relationship, which is why many ancient cultures killed mentally delayed children at birth.[/QUOTE] you can take a mentally delayed child from it's parent and give it to another caregiver and it won't die. you can't take a fetus out of it's mother and give it to another caregiver [editline]11th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=JuiceHead3311;42148289]What if you she lies about birth control? It'd be an interesting topic to say the least.[/QUOTE] then oh well, should have been more careful. wear a condom no matter what
[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;42148313]i made this thread already a while back. it's old news. [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1271223&highlight=[/url][/QUOTE] That was about his indictment, this is about him getting charged
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42148315]Why would she lie about birth control? You're not actually one of those people who thinks that women lie so they can live an easy life off welfare money and child support, are you?[/QUOTE] While I doubt it's a widespread issue, to think that it doesn't happen sometimes is silly
[QUOTE=JuiceHead3311;42148175]I'm curious as to what he would have been charged with if he didn't plead out. I know the killing of a unborn child is a huge gray area because of murder's definition being killing of a human by another human. The argument is a fetus isn't a human, yet. As for the other part I wonder where the father's rights on abortion stand. I could see not wanting my genes to be potentially spread as a huge factor and sort of a legitimate one too.[/QUOTE] why is that a legitimate factor? does having your genes being spread actually affect you?
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42148315]Why would she lie about birth control? You're not actually one of those people who thinks that women lie so they can live an easy life off welfare money and child support, are you?[/QUOTE] Have you considered mental instability? I mean, women are people too and people can have mental problems.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42148335]why is that a legitimate factor? does having your genes being spread actually affect you?[/QUOTE] Being forced to pay child support no matter what?
[QUOTE=Riutet;42148348]Have you considered mental instability?[/QUOTE] Yeah strangely enough this thread has made me think about mental instability
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42148315]Why would she lie about birth control? You're not actually one of those people who thinks that women lie so they can live an easy life off welfare money and child support, are you?[/QUOTE] some women do lie about birth control, just like some men lie about wearing a condom. i would postulate that most of the time it's because one party wants to have a child and the other party doesn't; i would doubt people do it for financial reasons(since it's a terrible financial choice). people are terrible at being people sometimes and do terrible things to each other. that's life in a nutshell.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;42148334]While I doubt it's a widespread issue, to think that it doesn't happen sometimes is silly[/QUOTE] yeah, this actually did happen to my friend, he was a bit of a player and his woman at the time thought that if she got pregnant he'd be forced to stay with her (didn't work). although again, he should have been wearing a condom. but he didn't force her to get an abortion and he certainly didn't slip her any fucking pills to induce one. he's raising the child despite not being in a relationship with the mother anymore
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42148315]Why would she lie about birth control? You're not actually one of those people who thinks that women lie so they can live an easy life off welfare money and child support, are you?[/QUOTE] You just turned that into something that it's completely not, its a hypothetical "what if" situation. I am curious how a case would go where a women lied to a man about birth control and got pregnant. The man would fight to force an abortion based on him not wanting his genes spread. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but rather what would happen? Would it get thrown out instantly or would that be legitimate grounds?
[QUOTE=Maloof?;42148334]While I doubt it's a widespread issue, to think that it doesn't happen sometimes is silly[/QUOTE] Yeah I suppose it happens, though I haven't actually heard of it happening beyond anecdotes
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42148367]Yeah I suppose it happens, though I haven't actually heard of it happening beyond anecdotes[/QUOTE] that's because most relationships don't have two extremely unreasonable people
This headline made it seem like he pleaded guilty to murder. I was about to say, something is fishy there.
[QUOTE=Crimor;42148356]Being forced to pay child support no matter what?[/QUOTE] that isn't what he said, though. he said that not wanting your genes spread around, as if someone can own genetic code.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42148050]wow you're well hard dude, when you were talking about murdering a pregnant lady so you don't have to pay child support, that's when i thought maybe you were a tough guy, but now i'm definitely sure you're hard[/QUOTE] "omg you're so fucked up i literally hope someone kills you" = perfectly acceptable "anyone can try but i'm going to defend myself" = edgy hardass ?
[QUOTE=Crimor;42148356]Being forced to pay child support no matter what?[/QUOTE] They are two separate issues. Not wanting your genes to be spread is an issue of liberty and also of mysticism. I personally think it's silly to split hairs over having your genes spread because your genes are just a series of sequences of nucleic bases that code for your body's structure and how it functions. You share most of your genes with the rest of humanity anyway and because of chiasmata and random assortment during meiosis the genes you pass on are as much yours as 8 is yours if your number is 4 and is multiplied by 2. As for the issue of child support, DNA profiling is the means by which you are indicated to be liable to pay child support, but not the cause. You could still spread your genes and not have to pay child support if legislation was different.
Interesting that if a Fetus is killed alongside the mother in a crash, it's double homicide.
If you have sex and proceed to be at all surprised when one of you gets pregnant, you are a fucking idiot. That's the entire goddamn point of procreation. "What do you mean shooting my sperm at her egg ends up making a baby?! I thought sex was just a risk-and-consequence free way of pleasuring yourself!" Like, seriously, god damn. If you aren't prepared to have a kid, don't have sex, and if you do don't be surprised by the pregnancy. It'd be nice if the only time people had abortions was when the mother didn't willingly engage in the act but people are too short sighted/impulsive for that. Honestly it feels like some people treat abortions like a post-conception condom and that disgusts me. Anyways, dude is an idiot, he reaps what he sowed.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;42148467]"omg you're so fucked up i literally hope someone kills you" = perfectly acceptable "anyone can try but i'm going to defend myself" = edgy hardass ?[/QUOTE] yes ignore that he is talking about murdering pregnant mothers to avoid having to pay child support
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42148547]yes ignore that he is talking about murdering pregnant mothers to avoid having to pay child support[/QUOTE] I would refuse to pay for a child I did not consent to having. Do not act like the only punishment for doing so is being labeled a deadbeat dad. You can face jail time in the UK for this, and having a criminal record puts you on a shitlist where you may as well just get good at being a criminal. If I am to face having my life in society ruined, I would rather choose option where I might get away with it as opposed to the option where I will not, as grim as the option I choose may be. If the laws of society do not uphold my liberty, it is my duty to do so myself. If a woman can choose whether or not she becomes a parent, so too should a man. If a woman chooses to be a parent when a man does not, that should solely be her right, and solely be her responsibility.
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;42147260]Surely the ownership is shared between the mother and the father. Both are required for creation, DNA from both is within the fetus.[/QUOTE] Custody is shared after birth and the baby becomes a legal person but beforehand the father should really have no say at all (in regards to whether or not the mother should abort) because at no point under regular circumstances should anyone have a stake in the bodily autonomy of another adult. Should a woman be able to control whether her husband has a vasectomy or not? Absolutely not
Good for him on being a smart guy. Sucks that he got caught.
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