• American McGee's Sister has Gone Missing After Recieving Death Threats From Anti-Gamergaters
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Seems a bit strange for this to be about GG but aGG did fanatically stand behind a child molester in the name of solidarity. [QUOTE=Darth Ninja;49244401]The GamerGate controversy isn't really about video games, it is the main focus or spark of the controversy, however the entire "war" has just been people using video games to further their own agendas.[/QUOTE] What would those agendas be?
Gamergate still has me confused. What does it mean to be a anti-gamergate or a pro-gamergate?
[QUOTE=darth-veger;49245868]Gamergate still has me confused. What does it mean to be a anti-gamergate or a pro-gamergate?[/QUOTE] depends on who you ask, you will get two of the most disparate answers possible.
[QUOTE=darth-veger;49245868]Gamergate still has me confused. What does it mean to be a anti-gamergate or a pro-gamergate?[/QUOTE] [B]Gamergate:[/B] Games Media is corrupt, this is a consumer movement, creators should be free to create, people on the left that want censorship are just as bed as people on the right that want censorship, gaming is diverse, Anita Sarkeesian and other icons are con-artists that deflect criticism with the sex card. [B]Anti-Gamergate:[/B] Games Media is not corrupt, this is just a facade to hate on women/minorities, GG is just basement dwellers reacting to progress, We should support Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn and other figures to stand against harassment, perhaps games should be censored if they're offensive to me. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1475810[/url] Honestly leaning towards the terms incorporating to much to be useful.
Pro-GGer's say GG is about a reform in gaming journalism centered around disclosure, honesty, and objectivity in reviews and media. They essentially want gaming journalism to be cleaner than regular journalism and have every form of disclosure possible for the maximum honesty in product based journalism. Ultimately a noble goal. Pro-GGer's say AGG is about standing against that goal, letting friendships and relationships and politics completely rule over journalism. Pro-GGer's have factually seen some pretty abhorrent behavior from their side of the aisle with the use of doxxing, swatting, and blocklists and banlists as well as producing an entirely one sided narrative that paints Pro-GGer's as anything from basement dwelling neckbeards who hate women to literally worse than ISIS. If you ask the AGG side AGG'ers will say that Pro-GG wants to harrass all women out of the gaming industry, and out of the hobby as a whole. They say that GG is a hate group and that it is as bad as the KKK and that anyone who so much as tweets a "Pro GG" tweet deserves to be ignored entirely. They say the entire group is just angry white men. AGGer's will say that AGG is about camaraderie in the face of adversity, that it's about getting women to be on an equal playing ground, it's about getting the games industry to stop objectifying women at every turn with every character. It's about getting hateful people out of the industry. In my honest and earnest opinion, it's mostly fucking bullshit. GG has seen many people be harmed on both sides of the fence and it's created an absolute fucking mess in our industry's media because there's no easy way to say this, but the fact is the media is a club, and they do control the narrative, you can see this in Times Magazine down to every little major publication there is in MAJOR journalism, it's a game of money and not necessarily of truth, playing a side can make a lot of money and that's exactly what's happening with the games media. There's harassment all around from both sides. I however, have seen GG stand up many times and say "No we really don't like that those people are harassing anyone, we don't stand for that". I have never seen AGG do that to their own even though they've committed the same level of cyber harassment if not worse(See sending people knives, syringes, swatting, doxxing, etc).
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49245912] [B]Anti-Gamergate:[/B] Games Media is not corrupt, this is just a facade to hate on women/minorities, GG is just basement dwellers reacting to progress, We should support Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn and other figures to stand against harassment, perhaps games should be censored if they're offensive to me. [/QUOTE] this is so incredibly biased, other post above me too You can be against gamergate and not agree with these things either.
So which side has committed the most atrocities?
[QUOTE=KillRay;49246005]this is so incredibly biased, other post above me too You can be against gamergate and not agree with these things either.[/QUOTE] I feel like you didn't even read my post if you think that's biased I gave each sides opinion of the other side. How is that "Biased" bud?
[QUOTE=KillRay;49246005]this is so incredibly biased, other post above me too You can be against gamergate and not agree with these things either.[/QUOTE] I am against anything that is related to gamergate. If it has something to do with gamergate, I hate it. Just shut up already, it's been more than a year now since this bullshit started. And now people are getting hurt over it
[QUOTE=JohhnyCarson;49246021]So which side has committed the most atrocities?[/QUOTE] Well, I heard Anti-GG harbors a fucking pedophile. Both sides are equally moronic, who gives an actual fuck. Still supporting pedophilia because of your stance in this non-issue for normal people is fucking disgusting.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;49246064]I am against anything that is related to gamergate. If it has something to do with gamergate, I hate it. Just shut up already, it's been more than a year now since this bullshit started. And now people are getting hurt over it[/QUOTE] People were getting hurt a year ago. On both sides.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;49246064]I am against anything that is related to gamergate. If it has something to do with gamergate, I hate it. Just shut up already, it's been more than a year now since this bullshit started. And now people are getting hurt over it[/QUOTE] This is exactly how I feel tbh I thought gg was dead before returning to FP [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49246046]I feel like you didn't even read my post if you think that's biased I gave each sides opinion of the other side. How is that "Biased" bud?[/QUOTE] You went and listed anything AGG has done wrong ("doxxing, swatting, and blocklists and banlists" etc) while painting GG as the who has done little wrong. Your last paragraph even says that AGG doesn't mind the people who do horrible things but when a gamergate does it, they aren't accepted, as if the same things don't happen on both sides. GG and AGG extremists are equal and have gone to equal measures and you paint it otherwise. Maybe I read too much into it and it wasn't intentional, but it is what I got while reading it.
Reading more into this those death threats seem oddly specific and its justified to be concerned that this is aGG related. [QUOTE=KillRay;49246133] GG and AGG extremists are equal and have gone to equal measures and you paint it otherwise. Maybe I read too much into it and it wasn't intentional, but it is what I got while reading it.[/QUOTE] But that isn't the reality at all.
[QUOTE=Fangz;49244932]He is a game developer who has made games like [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice:_Madness_Returns]Alice:Madness Returns[/url] and refused to pick a side on the Gamergate/Anti-Gamergate conflict.[/QUOTE] He refused and then started to hear about all the self censorship and other forms of censorship coming out and began to blast people's asses about it and they struck back at him. [editline]4th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=KillRay;49246133] You went and listed anything AGG has done wrong ("doxxing, swatting, and blocklists and banlists" etc) while painting GG as the who has done little wrong. Your last paragraph even says that AGG doesn't mind the people who do horrible things but when a gamergate does it, they aren't accepted, as if the same things don't happen on both sides. GG and AGG extremists are equal and have gone to equal measures and you paint it otherwise. Maybe I read too much into it and it wasn't intentional, but it is what I got while reading it.[/QUOTE] You say that but GG as a whole kicked out the /pol/tards. Last I checked, AGG still protects pedophiles and people who abuse their signifigant others. The worst we have is that cunt Milo.
[QUOTE=KillRay;49246133]GG and AGG extremists are equal and have gone to equal measures [/QUOTE] I'm not entirely sure that's true.
Regardless if they're equally bad or not, you'll certainly only about one side from the mainstream.
All GG-ers and antiGG-ers are trash. This shit died in 2014, leave it there.
[QUOTE=KillRay;49246133] GG and AGG extremists are equal and have gone to equal measures and you paint it otherwise. Maybe I read too much into it and it wasn't intentional, but it is what I got while reading it.[/QUOTE] This is as much of an assumption as to say either GG or AGG have done worse things than the other. In the end there are no statistics to support any of these claims. The best choice is just to keep out of the discussion at this point. It leads nowhere.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49246158] But that isn't the reality at all.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49246169]I'm not entirely sure that's true.[/QUOTE] You can use google and find where gamergate members have swatted, sent death threats and done equal things that AGGs have as well (theres even a wiki or some shit? [URL]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_Gamergate_claims[/URL], found this with a quick google search). I'm already familiar with all the awful shit AGG has done as well being an ex browser of /r/TiA when I was younger. Feel free to show me atrocities one side commited that the other didn't because from a spectators view, it's all the same shit to me [QUOTE=Swilly;49246160] You say that but GG as a whole kicked out the /pol/tards. Last I checked, AGG still protects pedophiles and people who abuse their signifigant others. The worst we have is that cunt Milo.[/QUOTE] i don't know much about the individual members of either side, but I can't imagine a group based on 8chan and such is full of saints. [editline]4th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Doom64hunter;49246245]This is as much of an assumption as to say either GG or AGG have done worse things than the other. In the end there are no statistics to support any of these claims. The best choice is just to keep out of the discussion at this point. It leads nowhere.[/QUOTE] You aren't wrong.
Aren't gamergate types the ones who always shout "Innocent until proven guilty!" every time something doesn't go exactly their way? Why can't you practice what we preach? Why should we assume some that some spineless Anti-Gamergater automatically did do it and jump to that conclusion? Shouldn't there be, like, an actual investigation before we take that for granted?
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49246268]Aren't gamergate types the ones who always shout "Innocent until proven guilty!" every time something doesn't go exactly their way? Why can't you practice what we preach? Why should we assume some that some spineless Anti-Gamergater automatically did do it and jump to that conclusion? Shouldn't there be, like, an actual investigation before we take that for granted?[/QUOTE] From what I can tell, hardly anyone in Gamergate is actually doing this. [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3vdghl/american_mcgees_sister_goes_missing_after_being/"]Go ahead and see for yourself.[/URL] [editline]4th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=KillRay;49246248][URL]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_Gamergate_claims[/URL][/QUOTE] I would not trust RW. At all. They've been notoriously biased since Atheism+.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49246268]Aren't gamergate types the ones who always shout "Innocent until proven guilty!" every time something doesn't go exactly their way? Why can't you practice what we preach? Why should we assume some that some spineless Anti-Gamergater automatically did do it and jump to that conclusion? Shouldn't there be, like, an actual investigation before we take that for granted?[/QUOTE] If you would look over at the threads on KotakuInAction, all the top comments are saying that we should not be concentrating on the aGG aspect, but just trying to find the sister. Also, KillRay, RationalWiki is not where you should be getting your info. Just a cursury glance shows that the info there is bullshit, especially since most (if not all) of it was written by Ryulong, who got banned from Wikipedia for being an obsessive cunt, and was forced from RationalWiki after nonstop editing (no literally).
[QUOTE=Mingebox;49246189]Regardless if they're equally bad or not, you'll certainly only about one side from the mainstream.[/QUOTE] You didn't know GamerGate is literally ISIS?
[QUOTE=KillRay;49246133]This is exactly how I feel tbh I thought gg was dead before returning to FP You went and listed anything AGG has done wrong ("doxxing, swatting, and blocklists and banlists" etc) while painting GG as the who has done little wrong. Your last paragraph even says that AGG doesn't mind the people who do horrible things but when a gamergate does it, they aren't accepted, as if the same things don't happen on both sides. GG and AGG extremists are equal and have gone to equal measures and you paint it otherwise. Maybe I read too much into it and it wasn't intentional, but it is what I got while reading it.[/QUOTE] I think you need to re-examine the evidence. People on the AGG side have done those things. There is no media mention of it. There is no acceptance that those actions are intolerable, the very "outreach support groups" that offer to help in the face of online harassment said no to anyone who was part of GG and that was harassed. Yes there has been harrasment by GGer's, but at every turn, by and large the entire group of seperate people said "No we don't like that you did that, we don't stand for that" but as we both know, that's not the message that the media heard or wanted to repeat. There's essentially no way to bipartisanly represent the issue in a way that is acceptable to the partisans. The media has been in control of the issue this whole time and have been in control of the narrative, at no point have GG actually been able to voice their own opinions in the media unsmeared. What do you think of that? [editline]4th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=KillRay;49246248]You can use google and find where gamergate members have swatted, sent death threats and done equal things that AGGs have as well (theres even a wiki or some shit? [URL]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_Gamergate_claims[/URL], found this with a quick google search). I'm already familiar with all the awful shit AGG has done as well being an ex browser of /r/TiA when I was younger. Feel free to show me atrocities one side commited that the other didn't because from a spectators view, it's all the same shit to me i don't know much about the individual members of either side, but I can't imagine a group based on 8chan and such is full of saints. [editline]4th December 2015[/editline] You aren't wrong.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'm going to listen to RationalWiki, a place where a wikipedia editor that was literally banned for being unable to be bipartisan, or civil, about this issue then took up that same issue at RationalWiki and made it a wholly irrational place to be. God damn you say I'M biased?
[QUOTE=KillRay;49246248]You can use google and find where gamergate members have swatted, sent death threats and done equal things that AGGs have as well (theres even a wiki or some shit? [URL]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_Gamergate_claims[/URL], found this with a quick google search). I'm already familiar with all the awful shit AGG has done as well being an ex browser of /r/TiA when I was younger. Feel free to show me atrocities one side commited that the other didn't because from a spectators view, it's all the same shit to me [/QUOTE] You are aware that that RationalWiki article was written by Ryulong, an obsessive Wikipedia editor who got permabanned for actively taking bribes to the tune of 370 dollars from Anti-GG fora to edit the Gamergate article on Wikipedia to have a massive AGG bias? (Not that the article became any less biased after Ryulong got permabanned though.)
[QUOTE=CoixNiro;49246309]From what I can tell, hardly anyone in Gamergate is actually doing this. [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3vdghl/american_mcgees_sister_goes_missing_after_being/"]Go ahead and see for yourself.[/URL].[/QUOTE] Responding specifically to posts like this in this thread: [quote]Holy shit. This is such cowardice. And all because of fucking video games. These people need to grow a spine already.[/quote] [quote]No bad tactics, only bad targets.[/quote] Which [i]do[/i] appear to be assuming guilt.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49246407]Responding specifically to posts like this in this thread: Which [i]do[/i] appear to be assuming guilt.[/QUOTE] the "No bad tactics, just bad targets" thing is a thing that the AGG crowd said early on about this whole issue.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49246407]Responding specifically to posts like this in this thread: Which [i]do[/i] appear to be assuming guilt.[/QUOTE] ...Or you can cherry pick to force your point...
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49246407]Responding specifically to posts like this in this thread: Which [i]do[/i] appear to be assuming guilt.[/QUOTE] Yes, but look how far down (or the karma) you have to go to find them. It's not the prevailing opinion.
[QUOTE=darth-veger;49245868]Gamergate still has me confused. What does it mean to be a anti-gamergate or a pro-gamergate?[/QUOTE] Put short in the most neutral way possible : Gamergate started out when a game developer's ex-boyfriend spit out a bunch of information on said developer having cheated on him with a bunch of people. What originally started out as internet drama turned into something a bit longer-winded when it was discovered that the people she slept with also happened to have significant ties with a lot of websites and indie-related companies (video game awards, journalism, etc). It became apparent the person basically slept her way to fame and the critical acclaim of her titles and a lot of other titles from well known indie figures were due to a lot of nepotism in that specific genre. From this point on, the developer in question and a few others started utilizing twitter to defend themselves, and the people accusing them did the same thing. It became a fucking mess, but the two sides that emerged from the shitshow were pro-GG who are pushing the issue and trying to dig more (for various purposes) and anti-GG who are dismissing the issue (for various reasons). The entire thing is a shitshow from an outsider's perspective because, put short, it's a lot of people with a lot of various opinions trying to amalgamate into two gated groups, and anyone who talks about this and doesn't accept to be categorized in one or the other side gets guillotined on social media websites. While both sides make good points, it's best to steer clear of the whole shebang because it's got a [I]lot[/I] of very angry bad apples.
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