• American McGee's Sister has Gone Missing After Recieving Death Threats From Anti-Gamergaters
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I've never heard anyone in AGG say that they don't condone swatting,doxxing etc, and i hear that plenty from GG. So it's easy to see what kind of people there are on both sides. And so far it has been really easy for me to choose which side i support. Though the retard acting like a domestic terrorist in the article is just using the name, AGG might not have anything to do with this incident.
[QUOTE=DuCT;49246476]Yes, but look how far down (or the karma) you have to go to find them. It's not the prevailing opinion.[/QUOTE] That first one was literally the fourth post in this thread. I didn't have to go very far to find it. I don't understand how an opinion not being the prevailing one makes it immune to criticism. Fact of the matter is that a few people here are jumping to conclusions and I don't care how inconvenient it is to you or how "rare" it is. It still disgusts me and I'm going to call it out. [editline]4th December 2015[/editline] Like 'I guess only a few people are antivaccers, that's not the prevailing opinion, you shouldn't criticize it.' Like hell I won't.
I love how little gamergate actually has to do about video game journalism now and how much it has to do with... whatever this shit it [editline]4th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=KillRay;49246133] GG and AGG extremists are equal and have gone to equal measures and you paint it otherwise. Maybe I read too much into it and it wasn't intentional, but it is what I got while reading it.[/QUOTE] proof?
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49246652]That first one was literally the fourth post in this thread. I didn't have to go very far to find it. I don't understand how an opinion not being the prevailing one makes it immune to criticism. Fact of the matter is that a few people here are jumping to conclusions and I don't care how inconvenient it is to you or how "rare" it is. It still disgusts me and I'm going to call it out. [editline]4th December 2015[/editline] Like 'I guess only a few people are antivaccers, that's not the prevailing opinion, you shouldn't criticize it.' Like hell I won't.[/QUOTE] Again, because you didn't read my post, the "No bad targets, only bad tactics" is something that came out of the AGG crowd early on. The person who said it in this thread is restating it in the context that perhaps, AGG really does think there's no bad tactics, and that this is acceptable. I disagree with him and I don't believe AGG is behind this, but stop acting like you're "Neutral" when you're clearly not being.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49245912][B]Gamergate:[/B] Games Media is corrupt, this is a consumer movement, creators should be free to create, people on the left that want censorship are just as bed as people on the right that want censorship, gaming is diverse, Anita Sarkeesian and other icons are con-artists that deflect criticism with the sex card. [B]Anti-Gamergate:[/B] Games Media is not corrupt, this is just a facade to hate on women/minorities, GG is just basement dwellers reacting to progress, We should support Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn and other figures to stand against harassment, perhaps games should be censored if they're offensive to me. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1475810[/url] Honestly leaning towards the terms incorporating to much to be useful.[/QUOTE] Since you only highlighted the good things about Gamergate and the bad things about Anti, allow me to attempt to make an unbiased assessment, albeit from the other side of the argument (ie, it's probably as biased as yours): Gamergate: Games media is corrupt. Feminist critiques of video games are insincere, and an attempt to censor video games. Feminists are leveraging this corruption in the media to unfairly influence developers to change the content in their games. Co-opted by conservative media like Breitbart who saw it as an opportunity to introduce a younger audience to far-right concepts like cultural marxism and continue perpetuating a culture war. Still contains a lot of people actually concerned about gaming journalism, who are unfortunately drowned out by people far more concerned about seeing liberal themes in games that they don't want to see. Anti-gamergate: Opinions on games media ranging from "yes, it's corrupt, but gamergate is handling it wrong" to "no, it's not corrupt", to "who cares, it's just video games". Reaction to a perception that gamergate actually has nothing to do with video game journalism and is just a way to complain about feminism. Generally believes that feminist critiques of video games are an inevitable side effect of video games being considered a valid form of art, and does not believe that the act of criticizing necessarily constitutes an attempt at censorship. Co-opted by people who want to act antagonistic to the conservative element of gamergate, but who fail to consider this dichotomy that still exists and end up wantonly attacking everyone regardless of politics. Still contains people who believe that gamergate has a few valid points worth discussing (however, completely differently from how gamergate has been discussing it), but unfortunately drowned out by people more concerned with making gamergate as a whole look like a Breitbart/Stormfront lovechild. The reason the conflict still exists: When people in gamergate [i]actually[/i] concerned with games media see their movement as a whole attacked as being racist/sexist/reactionary/far right-wing, they're forced to either align themselves with the people actually like that, or abandon the gamergate label entirely. The latter is often (understandably) seen as unfair, so they keep using the label ignoring the extremist elements. But as we've seen time and time again, movements are often identified in the public eye by their most extreme elements. This causes a cycle where a someone tries to talk about journalism ethics, an anti-gamergater immediately assumes they're just using it as a cover to bitch about liberals, actual conservatives show up to back up the first guy, this reinforces what the aGGer already perceived, and the cycle continues forever. Solution: Only buy the games you like. Read the games media you like, ignore the sites you don't. Stop taking criticism of games or games media personally regardless of which side you're on. Stop sending death threats. Play video games instead of writing long posts about the politics surrounding them like I'm doing right now.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49246829] Solution: Only buy the games you like. Read the games media you like, ignore the sites you don't. Stop taking criticism of games or games media personally regardless of which side you're on. Stop sending death threats. Play video games instead of writing long posts about the politics surrounding them like I'm doing right now.[/QUOTE] It took me a year of Gamergate to come to this conclusion.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49246945]It took me a year of Gamergate to come to this conclusion.[/QUOTE] I've gotten to a point where I've realized that being involved in this argument is not making me enjoy playing games more. But more than that, it's an argument that has [i]zero[/i] real-world consequences until someone takes it too seriously and threatens someone's life. Nothing good can come from either side of it. Feminism, and an opposition to it, are never going away. Both sides should get the fuck over it and stop ruining video games by associating the people who play them with aggressive antisocial manchildren. [editline]4th December 2015[/editline] Let's all unite under our universal hatred of Konami
It's been over a year since the incident and people still try to vilify and utterly persecute anyone who even remotely mentions opinions on it? Some communities hold grudges worse than people did over the Ferguson riots, jesus christ. Whatever 'noble causes' Pro-GG used to have got perverted by both sides as well as trolling third-parties, and now they'll victimize any unfortunate person who doesn't know what the hell they're getting themselves into if they voice any opinion on it. Just look at TotalBiscuit, who had people sending him death threats and [i]threatening to come to his house and kill his family[/i] because of GamerGate controversy when he didn't even voice opinions towards either side.
I like how this thread turned into another GG vs Anti-GG fight, even though right now someone's life could be at risk here.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49247219]I like how this thread turned into another GG vs Anti-GG fight, even though right now someone's life could be at risk here.[/QUOTE] <the sobering moment before nothing changes> Someone at this moment is writing their rebuttal essay.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49246375] Yeah, I'm going to listen to RationalWiki, a place where a wikipedia editor that was literally banned for being unable to be bipartisan, or civil, about this issue then took up that same issue at RationalWiki and made it a wholly irrational place to be. God damn you say I'M biased?[/QUOTE] Chill out dude. I litterally have no idea who made this site. I even said it was from a google search. [editline]4th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Jordax;49246403]You are aware that that RationalWiki article was written by Ryulong, an obsessive Wikipedia editor who got permabanned for actively taking bribes to the tune of 370 dollars from Anti-GG fora to edit the Gamergate article on Wikipedia to have a massive AGG bias? (Not that the article became any less biased after Ryulong got permabanned though.)[/QUOTE] I was not. [QUOTE=J!NX;49246702] proof?[/QUOTE] I have none that isn't just what I've seen people say online. It was literally from what I've seen. I don't care enough about either GG or AGG to pay attention to each aggression, it's just news that I've seen.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49247231]<the sobering moment before nothing changes> Someone at this moment is writing their rebuttal essay.[/QUOTE] isn't that the case for literally every thread though? about anything? About any loss of life? Doesn't every thread always turn into a discussion that's tangential to the topic because people can really only say "Oh how horrible, I hope nothing bad really happens" so many times before the threads just not a discussion? Some essay.
Anyone remember this guy? [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/517925489856356354/2fjLE7mO_400x400.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49247255]Anyone remember this guy? [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/517925489856356354/2fjLE7mO_400x400.png[/img][/QUOTE] oh the guy that GG kicked out when GG didn't do what he wanted them to do and didn't act like a personal army? yeah I do
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49247250]isn't that the case for literally every thread though? about anything? About any loss of life? Doesn't every thread always turn into a discussion that's tangential to the topic because people can really only say "Oh how horrible, I hope nothing bad really happens" so many times before the threads just not a discussion? Some essay.[/QUOTE] I guess I can't really say that the topic doesn't want to be discussed. It's just kind of lame to do this still and in the light of this event.
We have absolutely no idea if this is gg related in anyway, lots of people get harassment for being neutral from radicals.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49247267]I guess I can't really say that the topic doesn't want to be discussed. It's just kind of lame to do this still and in the light of this event.[/QUOTE] I guess that would be true of every discussion in the light of an event for you? Someone asked about gamergate. I guess people on forums who ask direct questions shouldn't get answers. [editline]4th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=mooman1080;49247282]We have absolutely no idea if this is gg related in anyway, lots of people get harassment for being neutral from radicals.[/QUOTE] lol no one's being harassed, someone asked a question and you're calling having to read a discussion being harassed please
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49247290]lol no one's being harassed, someone asked a question and you're calling having to read a discussion being harassed please[/QUOTE] What are you talking about? I'm referring directly to the thread title.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49246968] Let's all unite under our universal hatred of Konami[/QUOTE] Now there's a cause we can all get behind.
[QUOTE=mooman1080;49247315]What are you talking about? I'm referring directly to the thread title.[/QUOTE] ah sorry.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49247219]I like how this thread turned into another GG vs Anti-GG fight, even though right now someone's life could be at risk here.[/QUOTE] I thought i asked one simple question, not spark a whole debate :(
[QUOTE=KillRay;49246133]This is exactly how I feel tbh I thought gg was dead before returning to FP You went and listed anything AGG has done wrong ("doxxing, swatting, and blocklists and banlists" etc) while painting GG as the who has done little wrong. Your last paragraph even says that AGG doesn't mind the people who do horrible things but when a gamergate does it, they aren't accepted, as if the same things don't happen on both sides. GG and AGG extremists are equal and have gone to equal measures and you paint it otherwise. Maybe I read too much into it and it wasn't intentional, but it is what I got while reading it.[/QUOTE] Not even kinda. You clearly haven't done the remotest research before deciding what banner to wave, and you've also clearly been ignoring anything that doesn't fit your narrative.
[QUOTE=darth-veger;49247341]I thought i asked one simple question, not spark a whole debate :([/QUOTE] Welcome to sensationalist headlines. I'll take your coat, complimentary puns are over there.
[QUOTE=mooman1080;49247282]We have absolutely no idea if this is gg related in anyway, lots of people get harassment for being neutral from radicals.[/QUOTE] It's based on the only person close enough to the events saying so; whether it's true remains to be seen.
[QUOTE=27X;49247343]Not even kinda. You clearly haven't done the remotest research before deciding what banner to wave, and you've also clearly been ignoring anything that doesn't fit your narrative.[/QUOTE] You're 100% right. I have done no research on Gamergate besides what I've seen. See every single other post I've made.
Anyone who thinks Gamergate is worth threatening to harm someone over, let alone actually harming someone (who is unrelated at that) is a sad, pathetic little shitlord that doesn't deserve to breathe oxygen.
[QUOTE=KillRay;49247395]You're 100% right. I have done no research on Gamergate besides what I've seen. See every single other post I've made.[/QUOTE] Honestly, he's right. Case in point: [QUOTE=KillRay;49246133] GG and AGG extremists are equal and have gone to equal measures and you paint it otherwise. Maybe I read too much into it and it wasn't intentional, but it is what I got while reading it.[/QUOTE] This is wrong. Like theres no other way to put it, this is an objectively wrong statement.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49247436]Honestly, he's right. Case in point: This is wrong. Like theres no other way to put it, this is an objectively wrong statement.[/QUOTE] I've said in my other posts that I've only seen what I've seen. I'm sure much has happened that I don't know about. I would have liked to be shown in all these posts calling me out, but I got the point. [editline]4th December 2015[/editline] All I said was Human abyss's post felt biased. I don't have any narative to push here, I literally said what i felt.
[QUOTE=KillRay;49247461]I've said in my other posts that I've only seen what I've seen. I'm sure much has happened that I don't know about. I would have liked to be shown in all these posts calling me out, but I got the point. [editline]4th December 2015[/editline] All I said was Human abyss's post felt biased. I don't have any narative to push here, I literally said what i felt.[/QUOTE] Maybe i misread your post, but you were coming off as a bit sarcastic with how you phrased that.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49247574]Maybe i misread your post, but you were coming off as a bit sarcastic with how you phrased that.[/QUOTE] Not at all. I can accept if I'm wrong when I'm not deeply involved in an issue. I just thought, from what I have personally seen on different sites, the agreesions on both sides have been equal. Just like how I didn't know that wiki was a biased mess. [editline]4th December 2015[/editline] That's why I've said to see my other posts, I've been repeating my nonstance on gg. I don't know why I'm appearing AGG favored, I've litterally said both sides are equally bad
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