American McGee's Sister has Gone Missing After Recieving Death Threats From Anti-Gamergaters
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I consider myself pro-gg but if you think ANY of this melodrama is worth threatening someone's life over (regardless of what side you're on) you need some serious help.
[QUOTE=KillRay;49247461][...]
All I said was Human abyss's post felt biased. I don't have any narative to push here, I literally said what i felt.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately what they wrote is true, insofar that aGG users can get away with a ton of harassment because the media (or some company) usually sweeps it under the rug and some social networks apply their rules differently for them.
For example, just yesterday [URL="https://archive.is/UsFmJ"]someone got preferential treatment by (a) Twitter (employee) and got unsuspended in less than 48 hours after telling dozens of people to kill themselves[/URL].
(Seemingly the duration of his interaction with GG users before he started was more around 1h15m than 48 hours. [URL="https://archive.is/S28tf"]He later explained on Reddit that he indeed wants to see them dead.[/URL])
It really is a huge mess of different issues though, basically growing larger by the day because GG is somehow dragged into every single larger media event (including the Paris attacks and the mass shooting this week).
As a general rule of thumb... I'd say #GG associated people want individual accountability and choice at least regarding social aspects. Mostly. Opinions actually tend to differ quite a lot as soon as you leave the core issues.
With anti-GG you see a lot of people promoting collective accountability based on race and/or sex and/or gender. Personally I'm really disgusted by that since those aren't choices people make about themselves. (Maybe I'm misinterpreting something, but to me it seems that's a required justification for the whole concept of "punching up" against groups.)
There are quite a few people who disagree with GG (mostly based on the image painted of GG in mainstream media), but don't harass or defame anyone over it, which afaict pretty much everyone in GG is completely fine with.
In the other direction that unfortunately doesn't seem to be the case. I've a few times seen larger harassment campaigns against people who wouldn't denounce GG or just asked questions, coordinated by prominent "anti-harassment icons".
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49247255]Anyone remember this guy?
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/517925489856356354/2fjLE7mO_400x400.png[/img][/QUOTE]
I don't understand your point. Some guy that makes videos and thats it. No threats, harassment, etc.
Honestly the tribalistic nature of Anti-GG and SJW groups in general actually scares me.
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There are quite a few people who disagree with GG (mostly based on the image painted of GG in mainstream media), but don't harass or defame anyone over it, [b]which afaict pretty much everyone in GG is completely fine with.[/b][/QUOTE]
Well aside from trying to shut down sites like Polygon and Ars Technica by coordinating letter-writing campaigns to their advertisers.
It's everyone's right to boycott whatever they want if they don't like the products they're producing or the message they're sending, but when one of your main arguments is that overbearing critique is tantamount to censorship it looks really bad when you're doing the same thing.
[QUOTE=0x0000000C;49246086]Well, I heard Anti-GG harbors a fucking pedophile.
Both sides are equally moronic, who gives an actual fuck. Still supporting pedophilia because of your stance in this non-issue for normal people is fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE]
If you don't actually know about the situation why bother insisting that everyone involved is an equal idiot. Except yourself, i guess?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49249141]Well aside from trying to shut down sites like Polygon and Ars Technica by coordinating letter-writing campaigns to their advertisers.
It's everyone's right to boycott whatever they want if they don't like the products they're producing or the message they're sending, but when one of your main arguments is that overbearing critique is tantamount to censorship it looks really bad when you're doing the same thing.[/QUOTE]
You're equating punching down to punching up.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49249141]Well aside from trying to shut down sites like Polygon and Ars Technica by coordinating letter-writing campaigns to their advertisers.
It's everyone's right to boycott whatever they want if they don't like the products they're producing or the message they're sending, but when one of your main arguments is that overbearing critique is tantamount to censorship it looks really bad when you're doing the same thing.[/QUOTE]
I remember reading up on quite a few of those as they were happening. Quite a significant amount of advertisements on a polygon affiliated site werent actually backed by the company they were advertising (AKA they were fraudulent). The letters gave notice to this and allowed them to take action against the websites for doing so. As well as, otherwise, letting the advertisers know that they were being associated with a company that was receiving massive amounts of (deserved) negative attention. Hey, i know the old saying goes "no publicity like bad publicity" but that doesnt really fly as much as you'd think in the business world.
So how exactly does this relate to swatting, which could end in the person potentially injured or in jail, doxxing, which could lead to death threats and dangerous objects being mailed to a person, or harassment, anyway?
Like I said, Zeke is equating puncing down to punching up.
[B]Here's a heads up on the situation.[/B]
[URL]https://www.facebook.com/americanmcgee/posts/10153335359232075?pnref=story&_fb_noscript=1[/URL]
[quote=American McGee]Yesterday, I posted news of the disappearance of my sister, Mercy Covington. There's been a tremendous outpouring of support and awareness in response. Online news sites and local news in the Dallas area have covered or are planning to cover the story. For this, I want to thank everyone, especially the game community, for rallying around the search for Mercy.
Unfortunately, local police have responded negatively to the increased attention. They believe Mercy ran off on her own and that there's nothing to be investigated, despite her being gone for nearly 30 days, the threats sent to me which included her name/location, and suspicious evidence discovered at her home after her disappearance. They've told Mercy's mother, "Go look for her on your own."
In my original post I shared death threats made against me in which Mercy was included. These were sent by a person with a clear history of being anti-Gamergate. What connection this person or those posts have to her disappearance, I don't know. I get death threats - but I've never received one in which my sister is mentioned by name.
To be clear: I do not wish to politicize the situation, only to share information that may be relevant to the investigation. Sharing that information would have been "easier" for everyone if the person making the threats had not included the word Gamergate. I wish that word had not been included, the threats had not been made, and that my sister were not missing.
At this point we're asking for one simple thing: That the Dallas PD take seriously the disappearance of my sister. They have leads, suspects, a potential crime scene, and death threats to investigate. So, please, do what you can to get the message to the Dallas Police Department
A new community page has been set up to share support and information:
[URL]https://www.facebook.com/findmercyone/?hc_location=ufi[/URL][/quote]
Lets suspend this Gamergate/AntiGamergate argument here and focus on the fact that a missing person/credible death threat situation is being actively ignored by a local police department.
If you want information regarding who can be contacted to potentially expidite this:[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3vi5gd/goal_american_mcgees_sister_is_missing_and_the/[/URL]
Yes it's KotakuInAction but lets cut the crap, this is a serious matter and the page is for information only.
[QUOTE=Swilly;49249251]You're equating punching down to punching up.[/QUOTE]
How are game developers/publishers/Breitbart "down" while Polygon and Ars Technica are "up"
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49249717]How are game developers/publishers/Breitbart "down" while Polygon and Ars Technica are "up"[/QUOTE]
...Switch the up and down. And that's not the sitation.
The situation is gamers/readers 'punching up' against Polygon and Ars Technica via hitting their advertisement or main revenue.
Polygon and the like who make up AGG are punching down by blaming the public and using their voice and megaphone connections to scream at smaller time developers.
Definitly larger developers have a lot to answer for but they never seem to aim their sights on them and instead focus on smaller devs like the guys behind Divinity Original Sin.
[QUOTE=Swilly;49249739]...Switch the up and down. And that's not the sitation.
The situation is gamers/readers 'punching up' against Polygon and Ars Technica via hitting their advertisement or main revenue.
Polygon and the like who make up AGG are punching down by blaming the public and using their voice and megaphone connections to scream at smaller time developers.
Definitly larger developers have a lot to answer for but they never seem to aim their sights on them and instead focus on smaller devs like the guys behind Divinity Original Sin.[/QUOTE]
Gaming news sites wrote about a giant exploding movement in gaming, big surprise. And after having their ad revenue attacked, they decided to not be sympathetic to the people doing it. [b]Big surprise.[/b]
You're just finding excuses for why it's acceptable to try and make your opponent shut up but it's not acceptable for them to criticize you. Remember when I said "stop taking criticism personally"? Polygon writing a piece about the bad shit people in Gamergate did isn't a personal attack on you. Nobody "punched down" on you. Get over it, sheesh. A thread about someone receiving death threats is a really inappropriate place to claim to be persecuted.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49249141]Well aside from trying to shut down sites like Polygon and Ars Technica by coordinating letter-writing campaigns to their advertisers.
It's everyone's right to boycott whatever they want if they don't like the products they're producing or the message they're sending, but when one of your main arguments is that overbearing critique is tantamount to censorship it looks really bad when you're doing the same thing.[/QUOTE]
Ars Technica fired people for being pro-GG, having heard nothing of the kind in turn save for one employee being told if she wished to leave her present company, her boss would give her a glowing recommendation, but he would not be changing the off-hours social policy of his company to mollify any one employee. Ars technica also deliberately withheld information in several stories to cast an opinion that did not match facts.
Polygon had and still has rather "nebulous" relations with several advertising accounts, not even Breitbart can claim that.
There is no equivocal exchange.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49249873][b]Gaming news sites wrote about a giant exploding movement in gaming, big surprise. And after having their ad revenue attacked, they decided to not be sympathetic to the people doing it. Big surprise.[/b][
You're just finding excuses for why it's acceptable to try and make your opponent shut up but it's not acceptable for them to criticize you. Remember when I said "stop taking criticism personally"? Polygon writing a piece about the bad shit people in Gamergate did isn't a personal attack on you. Nobody "punched down" on you. Get over it, sheesh. A thread about someone receiving death threats is a really inappropriate place to claim to be persecuted.[/QUOTE]
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Are you trying to be a dunce on purpose or are you too thick to remember why that even happened to begin with?[/url]
Look, take the conversation to the thread where we regularly talk about this.
We should focus on the situation at hand here.
[QUOTE=27X;49249878]Ars Technica fired people for being pro-GG, having heard nothing of the kind in turn save for one employee being told if she wished to leave her present company, her boss would give her a glowing recommendation, but he would not be changing the off-hours social policy of his company to mollify any one employee. Ars technica also deliberately withheld information in several stories to cast an opinion that did not match facts.
Polygon had and still has rather "nebulous" relations with several advertising accounts, not even Breitbart can claim that.
There is no equivocal exchange.[/QUOTE]
It's pretty clear where I stand on this issue, and how I really don't give a shit about it anymore. You can believe whatever you want - if Breitbart is your paragon of journalism ethics, have at it. Thousands of people agree with you and read it every day. Its existence isn't making my life any worse.
I really don't care about the ads on Polygon because I block ads either way, but I like their reviews so I read em'. Ben Kuchera's views on a game are usually a good indication of what mine will be, in my experience. You don't have to read them, and their existence isn't making your life any worse.
Ars Technica replaced The Verge as my go-to tech site because it actually posts about tech instead of funny things that animals do. I feel like you're mostly blustering but if you have some ultimate smoking gun that the site is actually total shit that I shouldn't read, go ahead and PM it to me but this definitely isn't an argument I'm eager to continue.
So yeah, that's me on GG. Just remember: video games are for playing, not hitting other people with
[QUOTE=Thlis;49249710][B]Here's a heads up on the situation.[/B]
[URL]https://www.facebook.com/americanmcgee/posts/10153335359232075?pnref=story&_fb_noscript=1[/URL]
Lets suspend this Gamergate/AntiGamergate argument here and focus on the fact that a missing person/credible death threat situation is being actively ignored by a local police department.
If you want information regarding who can be contacted to potentially expidite this:[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3vi5gd/goal_american_mcgees_sister_is_missing_and_the/[/URL]
Yes it's KotakuInAction but lets cut the crap, this is a serious matter and the page is for information only.[/QUOTE]
I've updated the OP to include the update.
I hope his sister is found soon.
What the fuck, why would Police ignore this type of situation, I hope the person behind the decision gets fired.
[QUOTE=Xonax;49251184]What the fuck, why would Police ignore this type of situation, I hope the person behind the decision gets fired.[/QUOTE]
[url=https://archive.is/GFXwM]If this is proven true, then shit's fucked.[/url]
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49251262]Don't really wanna get involved in all the discussions about GG but that might just be a coincidence. Given the family history they might suspect it a suicide or running away, lots of people go missing every year in the US. Not saying its right for the police to not investigate, especially if a guy suspects she has been kidnapped, but it might not be the big anti-GG conspiracy the GG people are making of it.[/QUOTE]
Hence the big IF
Could be just regular ol incompetence/indifference
[QUOTE=soulharvester;49248106]Honestly the tribalistic nature of Anti-GG and SJW groups in general actually scares me.[/QUOTE]
It's not like the same can't be said for the reverse. Sorry, but from the outside looking in, you all look like nutters. This GG, Anti-GG/SJW nonsense has been incredibly awkward to watch. You're all swinging at bogeymen.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49251637]It's not like the same can't be said for the reverse.[/QUOTE]
The same is not true of the reverse, no.
I chose "tribalistic" because it very accurately defines how these "victim" groups act, the same is not true of their "opposition", if you could call it that.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;49251742]The same is not true of the reverse, no.
I chose "tribalistic" because it very accurately defines how these "victim" groups act, the same is not true of their "opposition", if you could call it that.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure humans are pretty tribalistic by nature. If you think you're above it, chances are you're actually not. Doesn't matter what it is you believe in.
Pretty sure saying things like "Oh, but [I]that[/I] group that opposes mine, they all act in this way I don't like, but my group doesn't really do any of that" just kind of disqualifies you from making judgments about this sort of thing.
[QUOTE=Katska;49252292]I'm pretty sure humans are pretty tribalistic by nature. If you think you're above it, chances are you're actually not. Doesn't matter what it is you believe in.
Pretty sure saying things like "Oh, but [I]that[/I] group that opposes mine, they all act in this way I don't like, but my group doesn't really do any of that" just kind of disqualifies you from making judgments about this sort of thing.[/QUOTE]
Righto. This is what any ideology is about. Its a channel to express this nature. Never was about the goals of the movement (of any type) to begin with any ways.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49251637]It's not like the same can't be said for the reverse. Sorry, but from the outside looking in, you all look like nutters. This GG, Anti-GG/SJW nonsense has been incredibly awkward to watch. You're all swinging at bogeymen.[/QUOTE]
When he mentioned the tribalistic nature he's not referring to bogeymen or whatever. It's something specific, a tribalistic tendancy to defend those in the in-group and shame all those in the outside. "No bad tactics" is one such example, many of their figureheads have said doxing and harrassment is fine as long as its directed at the right people. GG doesnt really mirror this tendancy, when King of Pol turned out to be a lying dipshit he got thrown out on his ass within a few days. Meanwhile, anti-gg defends multiple pedophiles just because they hate the right people. GG at it's core is individualist, wheras AGG is all about collective blame and responsibility.
Its not that there's nothing wrong with GG and i certainly agree that we're all a bit nuts for being dedicated to something that is, frankly, of relative little importance but hey, people get way more crazy about sports, individual games, and all sorts of other silly shit. It is what it is, i think most people just find it entertaining at this point.
[QUOTE=Katska;49252292]I'm pretty sure humans are pretty tribalistic by nature. If you think you're above it, chances are you're actually not. Doesn't matter what it is you believe in.
Pretty sure saying things like "Oh, but [I]that[/I] group that opposes mine, they all act in this way I don't like, but my group doesn't really do any of that" just kind of disqualifies you from making judgments about this sort of thing.[/QUOTE]
I think the really amazing thing about GG is how, once you do a basic level of research, it becomes abundantly obvious that there's a massive, widespread deception campaign. From the outside, It's more or less a case of seeing something that looks like two big conspiracy theories with a ton of pointless shitflinging. Then you realize we have a fucking mountain of indisputable evidence and there's a ton of interesting social forces involved that make up the maneuvering around that evidence. It is [I]amazing[/I] looking at how mainstream groups have reacted, you see all the assumptions, biases, etc because mainstream doesnt do research over video games. A lot of people (rightfully) just never look into it because they have better shit to do. It only bothers me when people look down on it all and make judgements without having any information. If you are going to stay uninvolved, stay uninvolved, yaknow.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49245847]Seems a bit strange for this to be about GG but aGG did [URL="https://youtu.be/FPKOSvo3AJM?t=52s"]fanatically stand behind two[/URL] [URL="https://youtu.be/0EMQqDXG218?t=30s"]pedophiles and counting[/URL] in the name of solidarity.[/QUOTE]
ftfy
Now add possible kidnapping + murder to the list if it turns out that she was harmed, the person who was sending those specific death threats was the perpetrator, and the aGG crowd still has the nerves to defend said person despite their offense saying it was just. Most likely not how it will play out if that is the case, but a very expected outcome by many at this point.
As for Mercy: seriously hoping that she's alright and that this whole ordeal ends on a peaceful note. Over 3 weeks have passed now though so it's pretty likely some shit went down.
This is basically what I'm talking about, though.
"My group is mostly right and just! We have a few bad eggs, sure, but not nearly as many as those other guys. They just have no integrity!"
I guarantee the exact same thing is being said on the other side of the fence. "Tribalistic" is exactly the word I would use to describe both general camps, as an outsider who has no real stake or interest in all this silliness. I mean, here we are with a woman missing, possibly dead, and we're still somehow making this about Gamergate and anti-Gamergate and SJWs. Does it really fucking matter if the stalker supports your views on ethical game journalism or not? I mean, this person presumably kidnapped a woman. Clearly fucking bonkers regardless of personal politics.
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