• 74% of Pakistanis consider the United States to be an enemy
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[QUOTE=NoDachi;36576301]What % of Americans view Pakistan as an enemy?[/QUOTE] There's a fairly large amount. Most of my educated friends are well aware we're deployed in a foreign nation to root out terrorists, not to war with the natives. The others (a not insignificant group) think we're at war with the Middle East. It's really rather disgusting.
[QUOTE=Bobie;36576262]to make up for the fact that the US keeps drone striking the shit out of the middle east taking away foreign aid from pakistan would be like pissing all over the dead bodies of the civilians the US has killed[/QUOTE] Yeah, at the moment they're just helping burn the bodies.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;36576802]hundreds of thousands huh If they're unable or unwilling to combat the militants that their northern region is harboring can you please explain to me why we should support them?[/QUOTE] As the USA appears to be unable or unwilling to combat the escalating violence caused directly by its involvement with funding and arming the cartels to the south which have destabilised an entire region I hereby withdraw all my support. gg
That's what happens when you use remote control toys to drop bombs on people.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;36576802]hundreds of thousands huh If they're unable or unwilling to combat the militants that their northern region is harboring can you please explain to me why we should support them?[/QUOTE] you are an idiot [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36576803]Then the best thing for America to do is withdraw their drone attacks and war, not to just throw money at them without so much as a "sorry".[/QUOTE] i can't agree enough, but i'd rather there be foreign aid and a war than a war and no foreign aid. it would be the lesser of two incredible evils at this point in time
[QUOTE=NoDachi;36576921]As the USA appears to be unable or unwilling to combat the escalating violence caused directly by its involvement with funding and arming the cartels to the south which have destabilised an entire region I hereby withdraw all my support. gg[/QUOTE] Ok cool withdraw support, stop all foreign aid to the the United States. Please do [editline]1st July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;36577012]you are an idiot[/QUOTE] Sweet argument, got me there. No need to actually explain why continuous foreign aid needs to continue unquestioned. Eat a dick.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;36577047]Ok cool withdraw support, stop all foreign aid to the the United States. Please do[/QUOTE] enjoy trying to swim in another failed conflict all by your self.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;36577068]enjoy trying to swim in another failed conflict all by your self.[/QUOTE] OR OR avoid conflicts how's that for a solution. Seriously, what's going to happen when we leave? Is aid going to continue then? Is it always just going to be there?
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;36577047]Ok cool withdraw support, stop all foreign aid to the the United States. Please do [editline]1st July 2012[/editline] Sweet argument, got me there. No need to actually explain why continuous foreign aid needs to continue unquestioned. Eat a dick.[/QUOTE] you're not presenting an argument, you're giving me silly as fuck rhetorics. they're a country in poverty, they have been ravaged by a war the west caused. it is only fair that the US gives aid after the immeasurable damage it has caused. it's not that difficult to understand, seriously
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;36577079]OR OR avoid conflicts how's that for a solution. [/QUOTE] Because this worked SO well the last several times America has tried this. Some small things called World War 1 and World War 2 are some results this has gotten whenever America turns all isolationist on everyone.
[QUOTE=galenmarek;36577173][QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;36577079]OR OR avoid conflicts how's that for a solution.[/QUOTE] Because this worked SO well the last several times America has tried this. Some small things called World War 1 and World War 2 are some results this has gotten whenever America turns all isolationist on everyone.[/QUOTE] I hate to break it to you buddy. No one gave two shits about america back then.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;36577188]I hate to break it to you buddy. No one gave two shits about america back then.[/QUOTE] Do explain the Zimmerman Telegraph and the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor if no one cared about America.
[QUOTE=Bobie;36577107] they're a country in poverty, they have been ravaged by a war the west caused. it is only fair that the US gives aid after the immeasurable damage it has caused. it's not that difficult to understand, seriously[/QUOTE] Nevermind that there's nothing stopping them from using huge portions of the money for holding up their military, nevermind that you think that the US is killing "hundreds of thousands" of Pakistani civilians and somehow justify aid by calling it reparations for a genocide they didn't commit. No it is fucking difficult to understand it's the second highest amount of aid of all countries US sends aid to. Haiti, which is now still completely fucking demolished thanks to an earthquake, is not getting as much money. Maybe, just maybe, we should rethink our priorities?
[QUOTE=galenmarek;36577221]Do explain the Zimmerman Telegraph and the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor if no one cared about America.[/QUOTE] The wars had already started...
[QUOTE=galenmarek;36577173]Because this worked SO well the last several times America has tried this. Some small things called World War 1 and World War 2 are some results this has gotten whenever America turns all isolationist on everyone.[/QUOTE] Fuck me I've been bested by a master of history, woe is me! Maybe we should not allow the Neocons to take control of Congress, sway public opinion based on xenophobic fear and paranoia, and have us be the side that starts the fucking war. Then, be stuck in uneasy relationships where all we can do is throw money at the problem, meanwhile, all of the issues are all still the same.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;36577233]The wars had already started...[/QUOTE] Then was dragged into it both times while trying to be neutral. [editline]1st July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;36577237]Fuck me I've been bested by a master of history, woe is me! Maybe we should not allow the Neocons to take control of Congress, sway public opinion based on xenophobic fear and paranoia, and have us be the side that starts the fucking war. Then, be stuck in uneasy relationships where all we can do is throw money at the problem, meanwhile, all of the issues are all still the same.[/QUOTE] What??? You stated America should just avoid conflicts. Not all this other stuff. If America were to leave the middle east the past 10 years would have been for nothing. A lot of good came out of Afghanistan but Iraq was pretty much a different thing to start off with. Pakistan is a VERY VERY unstable country and the only thing keeping any semblance of authority is the government even if they are EXTREMELY corrupt. No aid= weak government. Weak government= things not improving at all
[QUOTE=AK'z;36576121]Way to blow my point out of proportion. The fact of the matter is, [I]you[/I] don't matter for America. The only worry your country has is status.[/QUOTE] That is the same for every nation.
[QUOTE=galenmarek;36577269] What??? You stated America should just avoid conflicts. Not all this other stuff. If America were to leave the middle east the past 10 years would have been for nothing. A lot of good came out of Afghanistan but Iraq was pretty much a different thing to start off with. Pakistan is a VERY VERY unstable country and the only thing keeping any semblance of authority is the government even if they are EXTREMELY corrupt. No aid= weak government. Weak government= things not improving at all[/QUOTE] These 10 years WERE for nothing, just like every other country that has invaded Afghanistan, America should avoid conflicts because if you're going to drag up a 70 year old history lesson from a situation, context, and background completely different from ours you might as well drag up the Civil War.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;36577409]These 10 years WERE for nothing, just like every other country that has invaded Afghanistan, America should avoid conflicts because if you're going to drag up a 70 year old history lesson from a situation, context, and background completely different from ours you might as well drag up the Civil War.[/QUOTE] For nothing? Afghans are generally happy Americans are there. You might be thinking of Iraq. A lot of schools, hospitals, and other things have been created in the last ten years. The ISAF have not spent this entire decade sitting on their thumbs.
I'm not surprised. However, the nearby neighbor of India tends to keep Pakistan's head down, and our relations with India are pretty nice.
[QUOTE=galenmarek;36577269]Then was dragged into it both times while trying to be neutral.[/QUOTE] No we werent, lol. We had clear interests in who we wanted to win and took action to ensure that.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36577610]I'm not surprised. However, the nearby neighbor of India tends to keep Pakistan's head down, and our relations with India are pretty nice.[/QUOTE] As long as they don't bribe a cricket match again.
[QUOTE=Swilly;36577352]That is the same for every nation.[/QUOTE] I didn't say it wasn't. He took what I said personally.
[QUOTE=Conscript;36577616]No we werent, lol. We had clear interests in who we wanted to win and took action to ensure that.[/QUOTE] America's support for the allies before their direct involvement was usually economic. America pretty much said both times around that it was Europe's fight but of course wanted the allies to win. The first world war is a whole different ball game because things were quite different then. Second time around however America pretty much cut off all trade to the Axis forces and kept supplying allied forces and Japan didn't really like that. Not to mention the buildup of American forces around the Pacific after the Japanese went imperalistic all over the place. So they thought the best way to go about with this would be a pre-emptive strike. Everyone knew that before this America was pretty supportive of the whole Isolationist policy but the attempted crippling of pretty much the entire United States Navy that could do anything near the Pacific Ocean pretty blew everything out the window of America ever staying isolationist throughout the rest of the war.
the US is an enemy to everyone including itself, nothing to see here
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36575982]this attitude is one of the reasons a lot of the world hates the US, just saying[/QUOTE] we're just the ones willing to take the heat for not letting unstable nations become nuclear threats I'd rather a bunch of uninformed idiots hate us rather than ANY country in the middle east have nuclear arms
This isn't really news,the whole middle east considers the Us an enemy.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;36576025]Pakistan may be dickholes either way, but to be fair they've got good reason to hate us when UAV operators playing Super Turbo Terrorist Hunter thousands of miles away keep killing their citizens[/QUOTE] Am I going to hell for imagining a drone strike with the Super Mario Bros music playing in the background?
[QUOTE=TBFundy;36578370]I'd rather a bunch of uninformed idiots hate us rather than ANY country in the middle east have nuclear arms[/QUOTE] Talking about uninformed. You GAVE a country in the middle east nuclear arms. [editline]1st July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=znk666;36578388]This isn't really news,the whole middle east considers the Us an enemy.[/QUOTE] erm. this is awkward. Pakistan isn't in the middle east. [editline]1st July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=TBFundy;36578370] ANY country in the middle east have nuclear arms[/QUOTE] same goes for you
[QUOTE=NoDachi;36576921]As the USA appears to be unable or unwilling to combat the escalating violence caused directly by its involvement with funding and arming the cartels to the south which have destabilised an entire region I hereby withdraw all my support. gg[/QUOTE] please name your sources where the us is funding cartels and arming them
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