• Underage LSU students busted with 1,800-plus cans of beer for spring break
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[QUOTE=Explosions;47486843]Yeah, the rest of the world is just in utter chaos with all the vehicular homicides. Europe is desolate.[/QUOTE] More like considerably less people have their automobile license (not to mention how strict they are on regulating it) and an even lesser amount own a vehicle. [editline]8th April 2015[/editline] Europe that is
It's stupid that it's set at 21, and dubious at 18. Personally I think that if you're mature enough for sex, you're mature enough for drink. 16 year olds are allowed to have sex, but they have to wait 5 years to get a drink?
[QUOTE=Levelog;47486054]There are definitely drinkable wines that come in boxes, but the other is definitely a crime.[/QUOTE] The two biggest enemies of wine are air and light. The box wine bag is air tight vacuum packed, and the box keeps light out. Boxxed wine is technically the single best way to store wine in the short term. An open bottle of wine will spoil in days or even hours, but an open box wine will take weeks. A few wineries are even switching over to this line of thinking. (Unless you plan on cellaring wine for a very long time, a year or more. Then glass bottles are superior.)
[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;47486053]True. I mean at eighteen I can buy a rifle or shotgun, but not alcohol. Not that I'd want to.[/QUOTE] At eighteen you can join the army and legally kill people in another country, destroy your lungs with cigarettes, get married, get a divorce, go to Nevada and buy a whore, but you can't have a single beer... what?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;47486046]That should be a crime in and of itself.[/QUOTE] Lol what? You dont drink dark beers to party bucko.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;47486407][url=http://hrweb.mit.edu/worklife/youngadult/brain.html#beyond] Hell I was wrong, it's even later...[/url][/QUOTE] So you're free to join the army and kill people. You know, end lives. At the age of 18. But god forbid you [I]may or may not[/I] stunt your own growth for the following 3 years after that.
As an American who got charged for underage consumption; I got off way easier because I was under 18. This doesn't even make sense to me. If I had been 18-20 I would have gone to court and mandatorily lost my driver's license for at least six months as per my states law. Since I was a minor I didn't get processed through the court system and did 4 months of "substance abuse classes" which drug tested me for things like meth, cocaine, and opioids, but not alcohol. The system here is FUBAR.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;47487004]Lol what? You dont drink dark beers to party bucko.[/QUOTE] Sure you do. Yuengling all day every day. (Well whenever you're drinking to drink, not when you're drinking to taste a good stout with dinner or something)
[QUOTE=Explosions;47486843]Yeah, the rest of the world is just in utter chaos with all the vehicular homicides. Europe is desolate.[/QUOTE] Hey Russia is a great example though, like 1 out of every 1 drivers is drunk there and their drinking age is pretty much non-existant. Its not as if the science of the 21 age limit is completely wrong, Russia's lack of enforced drinking age is at least a factor in their chronic alcoholism problem
[QUOTE=Octopod;47486071]I don't know, the 3 year difference doesn't matter that much to me. 21 is just the age I'm so used to seeing and I just live with it. I'm 19, and I'm in no particular rush to start drinking alcohol. Is gambling legal at 18 for you guys too?[/QUOTE] I am 23 this year and I don't even have any fucking clue where did the years between 18 and 22 go this is only going to get worse isn't it [editline]9th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=BANNED USER;47486795]23% of [I]all[/I] drunk drivers in the US are between the age of 21-25, almost a quarter of all drunk drivers fall into a 4 year age group which is the first 4 years you can legally drink. Allowing 18-21 year olds to drink would dramatically increase the rates at which we see accidents and fatalities involving cars and alcohol. As much as I love the freedom to do what you want to your body, allowing young people with poor judgement (and some with invincibility complexes) to drink and get intoxicated seems like a really terrible idea. Schools have regular assemblies where people will come in to talk about the dangers of drunk driving. I remember having a kid from [I]my school[/I] come in my senior year, to tell us how he killed his girlfriend when he was driving her home from a party with friends by crashing into a light pole and flipping his car. He was to go on trial a few weeks later for vehicular homicide and a slew of other charges. He was looking at anywhere from 14-100 years in prison. We definitely educate the kids on the dangers, it's just most young people have really shit judgement when it comes to these things. I see far more negatives than positives to letting Americans drink 3 years earlier than they are currently allowed to. But that's just my opinion I suppose.[/QUOTE] Obviously the only right solution is to set legal driving age to twelve so kids get their alcohol sorted out before they get on the road
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47487497]I am 23 this year and I don't even have any fucking clue where have the years between 18 and 22 go this is only going to get worse isn't it [editline]9th April 2015[/editline] Obviously the only right solution is to set legal driving age to twelve so kids get their alcohol sorted out before they get on the road[/QUOTE] I can see no other solution.
[QUOTE=Explosions;47486843]Yeah, the rest of the world is just in utter chaos with all the vehicular homicides. Europe is desolate.[/QUOTE] Because Europe has a lot to do with American laws and culture, right? I could argue this for hours, but the fact of the matter is the age group between 17-24 poses the highest risk of having a motor vehicle accident. Allowing the 18-20 year olds in the US to drink would only exacerbate the accident and death count associated with drunk driving. If you want me to bring Europe into this, young drivers drive around 5% of all the miles driven in Britain, but are involved in about 20% of the crashes where someone is killed or seriously injured. Back in 2010 in the US, Alcohol-related highway crashes accounted for 13,365 deaths. Keep in mind, that's fatalities on the Highway, not main roads, side streets, or anything else. I recommend taking a look at [url=http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1114.pdf]This US goverment census[/url] regarding alcohol involvement for drivers in fatal crashes, as well as number of accidents by age for licensed drivers. The fact of the matter is, simply put, teens (and young adults) are stupid and giving them the freedom to impair their stupidity further is a stupid idea.
[QUOTE=.Lain;47486043]i can't wrap my head around the US limiting alcohol to 21 when everything else is 18 21 seems like such an arbitrary and...late age for access to something like alcohol[/QUOTE] The USA and alcohol has always been weird. We did ban it outright for over 10 years at one point
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;47486795]23% of [i]all[/i] drunk drivers in the US are between the age of 21-25, almost a quarter of all drunk drivers fall into a 4 year age group which is the first 4 years you can legally drink. Allowing 18-21 year olds to drink would dramatically increase the rates at which we see accidents and fatalities involving cars and alcohol. As much as I love the freedom to do what you want to your body, allowing young people with poor judgement (and some with invincibility complexes) to drink and get intoxicated seems like a really terrible idea. Schools have regular assemblies where people will come in to talk about the dangers of drunk driving. I remember having a kid from [i]my school[/i] come in my senior year, to tell us how he killed his girlfriend when he was driving her home from a party with friends by crashing into a light pole and flipping his car. He was to go on trial a few weeks later for vehicular homicide and a slew of other charges. He was looking at anywhere from 14-100 years in prison. We definitely educate the kids on the dangers, it's just most young people have really shit judgement when it comes to these things. I see far more negatives than positives to letting Americans drink 3 years earlier than they are currently allowed to. But that's just my opinion I suppose.[/QUOTE] So %77 of all drunk drivers are over the age of 25, shouldn't we be doing something about them then if they are the majority?
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;47486795]23% of [i]all[/i] drunk drivers in the US are between the age of 21-25, almost a quarter of all drunk drivers fall into a 4 year age group which is the first 4 years you can legally drink. Allowing 18-21 year olds to drink would dramatically increase the rates at which we see accidents and fatalities involving cars and alcohol. As much as I love the freedom to do what you want to your body, allowing young people with poor judgement (and some with invincibility complexes) to drink and get intoxicated seems like a really terrible idea. Schools have regular assemblies where people will come in to talk about the dangers of drunk driving. I remember having a kid from [i]my school[/i] come in my senior year, to tell us how he killed his girlfriend when he was driving her home from a party with friends by crashing into a light pole and flipping his car. He was to go on trial a few weeks later for vehicular homicide and a slew of other charges. He was looking at anywhere from 14-100 years in prison. We definitely educate the kids on the dangers, it's just most young people have really shit judgement when it comes to these things. I see far more negatives than positives to letting Americans drink 3 years earlier than they are currently allowed to. But that's just my opinion I suppose.[/QUOTE] One of my friends (she's half-American) who is currently studying in the US makes me doubt that very much. She's basically saying that the way people drink in the US at age 20 is much the same way people were drinking at age 15 in Denmark - it's drinking for the sake of drinking, with the law making sure that these people do it in less secure environments (you don't want to get caught). In Denmark you can't get a driver's license until you're 18, so you've already had a while to learn how to drink responsibly - on top of that it's way harder to get one. That's not to say we don't have problems with DUI, but just making something illegal doesn't mean young people won't do it (which is why there are 16-20 year-old involved in DUI crashes in the US). An open and earlier discussion about alcohol might actually be (and I'm pretty sure it is) a much more responsible policy than just delaying it to some arbitrary age.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47487740]So %77 of all drunk drivers are over the age of 25, shouldn't we be doing something about them then if they are the majority?[/QUOTE] We are doing something about it, its called arresting them and taking away their driving privileges. People under 21 have no reason to drink at their age, and already pose the gratest risk to other drivers on the road.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;47487884]We are doing something about it, its called arresting them and taking away their driving privileges. People under 21 have no reason to drink at their age, and already pose the gratest risk to other drivers on the road.[/QUOTE] They do pose the greatest risk to other drivers on the road, yet the highest mortality age range for car related deaths is 16-20 years old, not when they get to the drinking age.
What if, instead of constantly going on to young people the dangers of drink driving, we mix in some practical sessions where they can learn in a safe environment how much they can drink before -being tipsy -being over the limit -not being able to walk -sharing all of their secrets to random people, and how mixing drinks is bad, and how what you eat can change how fast you get drunk. I think it would be more useful than saying "You're 21, you can drink now, figure out how much is safe on your own".
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47487934]They do pose the greatest risk to other drivers on the road, yet the highest mortality age range for car related deaths is 16-20 years old, not when they get to the drinking age.[/QUOTE] Okay, lets let the age group most likely to kill themselves while driving drink legally! What a great idea. [editline]9th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=James xX;47487942]What if, instead of constantly going on to young people the dangers of drink driving, we mix in some practical sessions where they can learn in a safe environment how much they can drink before -being tipsy -being over the limit -not being able to walk -sharing all of their secrets to random people, and how mixing drinks is bad, and how what you eat can change how fast you get drunk. I think it would be more useful than saying "You're 21, you can drink now, figure out how much is safe on your own".[/QUOTE] Sounds to me like parents aren't being responsible themselves in educating their children on the dangers of drug abuse. Did we cancel the D.A.R.E. program recently or something? Pretty sure I've had people.teach me the dangers of this stuff since I was 8.
If anything this article supports the fact that 21 is too high of a drinking age, because they're going to get their hands on alcohol anyway. Why criminalize innocent youths for something as trivial as drinking alcohol.
Americas public transportation is shit though
[QUOTE=Octopod;47486071]I don't know, the 3 year difference doesn't matter that much to me. 21 is just the age I'm so used to seeing and I just live with it. I'm 19, and I'm in no particular rush to start drinking alcohol. Is gambling legal at 18 for you guys too?[/QUOTE] Everything is legal here after you are 18. There is no difference between 18 and 21 here.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;47487962]Okay, lets let the age group most likely to kill themselves while driving drink legally! What a great idea. [editline]9th April 2015[/editline] Sounds to me like parents aren't being responsible themselves in educating their children on the dangers of drug abuse. Did we cancel the D.A.R.E. program recently or something? Pretty sure I've had people.teach me the dangers of this stuff since I was 8.[/QUOTE] Saying "You can't drink before 21" is like teaching abstinence. They're gonna do it anyway, why not make sure they're not afraid to ask for help?
[QUOTE=.Lain;47486043]i can't wrap my head around the US limiting alcohol to 21 when everything else is 18 21 seems like such an arbitrary and...late age for access to something like alcohol[/QUOTE] Well previously we had banned it entirely I can see exactly why they wanted to
I'm pretty sure the push for 21 is still some twitchiness about pre-prohibition drinking. America drank like fucking crazy, iirc it was gallons of whiskey per-person per-year. The temperance movement had a fucking field day when prohibition was finally in place, and afterwords, they struggled to stay relevant after the whole ordeal had failed.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47488326]Saying "You can't drink before 21" is like teaching abstinence. They're gonna do it anyway, why not make sure they're not afraid to ask for help?[/QUOTE] Luckily, most states have laws in place for when underage drinkers actually need help. For example, if you put in an emergency call for alcohol poisoning, you won't be charged with underage drinking out of your good will for the other person.
Light beer? Pissed in a cup why don't you and just drink that because there wouldn't be a difference.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;47488409]Luckily, most states have laws in place for when underage drinkers actually need help. For example, if you put in an emergency call for alcohol poisoning, you won't be charged with underage drinking out of your good will for the other person.[/QUOTE] What about other people at the party?
The law just stops you from drinking without permission(hue) until 21, in some states you can with permission from a parent or something silly like that. It's mostly to stop rash drinking and driving I feel
The 106 18 packs was overkill till I read light beer Probably enough for four frat members to get drunk :v: [editline]9th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Map in a box;47488577]The law just stops you from drinking without permission(hue) until 21, in some states you can with permission from a parent or something silly like that. It's mostly to stop rash drinking and driving I feel[/QUOTE] Source?? I've never heard this
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