Underage LSU students busted with 1,800-plus cans of beer for spring break
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If the US really wanted to discourage young people from drinking they should put the drinking age to 16 like it used to be in France so that teens find out quicker that the piss water they end up drinking is in fact nothing to envy.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;47486180]the thing with gin is you can mix it with things to make it taste better. terrible hard alcohol is drinkable when it's mixed with juice/cola/tonic etc.
shitty wine just tastes like sour anus.[/QUOTE]
eh there's drinks made from shitty wine as well, that exist only in high school though.
[QUOTE=Kylel999;47488713]
Source?? I've never heard this[/QUOTE]
In Minnesota you are allowed to drink underage on private property as long as you are under the supervision of your parents
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;47487962]Okay, lets let the age group most likely to kill themselves while driving drink legally! What a great idea.
[editline]9th April 2015[/editline]
Sounds to me like parents aren't being responsible themselves in educating their children on the dangers of drug abuse. Did we cancel the D.A.R.E. program recently or something? Pretty sure I've had people.teach me the dangers of this stuff since I was 8.[/QUOTE]
Dare working, that's funny. That program is about preventing substance use through shock and scare tactics as well as a bit of ham fisted cherry picked statistics. Its also usually given way earlier than its even useful, like around 5th grade and again does nothing but try to scare you, which by the 8th-9th grade is laughable.
[editline]9th April 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kylel999;47488713]The 106 18 packs was overkill till I read light beer
Probably enough for four frat members to get drunk :v:
[editline]9th April 2015[/editline]
Source?? I've never heard this[/QUOTE]
Ya your parents can give you drinks but not to the point you get drunk especially If you're really young like 12-13, then it can be child negligence.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;47487617]Because Europe has a lot to do with American laws and culture, right? I could argue this for hours, but the fact of the matter is the age group between 17-24 poses the highest risk of having a motor vehicle accident. Allowing the 18-20 year olds in the US to drink would only exacerbate the accident and death count associated with drunk driving. If you want me to bring Europe into this, young drivers drive around 5% of all the miles driven in Britain, but are involved in about 20% of the crashes where someone is killed or seriously injured. Back in 2010 in the US, Alcohol-related highway crashes accounted for 13,365 deaths. Keep in mind, that's fatalities on the Highway, not main roads, side streets, or anything else. I recommend taking a look at [url=http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1114.pdf]This US goverment census[/url] regarding alcohol involvement for drivers in fatal crashes, as well as number of accidents by age for licensed drivers.
The fact of the matter is, simply put, teens (and young adults) are stupid and giving them the freedom to impair their stupidity further is a stupid idea.[/QUOTE]
17-24 year olds present the highest risk for accidents of any kind, as well as most violent crimes and other societal ills.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;47486795]23% of [i]all[/i] drunk drivers in the US are between the age of 21-25, almost a quarter of all drunk drivers fall into a 4 year age group which is the first 4 years you can legally drink. Allowing 18-21 year olds to drink would dramatically increase the rates at which we see accidents and fatalities involving cars and alcohol. As much as I love the freedom to do what you want to your body, allowing young people with poor judgement (and some with invincibility complexes) to drink and get intoxicated seems like a really terrible idea.
Schools have regular assemblies where people will come in to talk about the dangers of drunk driving. I remember having a kid from [i]my school[/i] come in my senior year, to tell us how he killed his girlfriend when he was driving her home from a party with friends by crashing into a light pole and flipping his car. He was to go on trial a few weeks later for vehicular homicide and a slew of other charges. He was looking at anywhere from 14-100 years in prison. We definitely educate the kids on the dangers, it's just most young people have really shit judgement when it comes to these things.
I see far more negatives than positives to letting Americans drink 3 years earlier than they are currently allowed to. But that's just my opinion I suppose.[/QUOTE]
That is a very agreeable opinion. Mainly however, instead of teaching the young and rather inept generation not to [i]drive[/i] drunk, why can't we educate them to just not [i]get[/i] drunk? I mean let's face it, drinking is largely social. But even in terms of having a few drinks and having a great night, getting hammered isn't remotely necessary. Driving under the influence is just a small fraction of the many problems that excessive drinking creates. Rape, damage to one's reputation, brain damage (drinking just once a week has shown long-term effects), dependency, relationships, health - mental and physical, etc. Don't get me wrong, I go out every once in a while (rarely) and drink more than I should, but it needs to be done and taught in a responsible, adult like manner. I never found it necessary for me to drink all the time, even in college. I tend more to appreciate the taste of a well crafted beer while doing homework or working in my garage. I'll have a beer or two at a local bar and bistro as well. A cigar pairs well with some scotch over a campfire.
Even growing up and whatnot my judgement was [i]never[/i] that shit (and I did some stupid things like all of us), so it's not impossible to change that. But this is all just me. You're right though, that's why the legal age for drinking is 21. Should it be? No, it should be 18 and standard just like most other things. That can't happen though until younger adults somehow become more responsible. I can't attest as to how that can happen or what kind of educational measures should be set, but that's not for me to decide so the fuck with it.
What I'm trying to say is that responsibility and common sense isn't and shouldn't be that damn hard lol.
[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;47486952]At eighteen you can join the army and legally kill people in another country, destroy your lungs with cigarettes, get married, get a divorce, go to Nevada and buy a whore,
but you can't have a single beer...
what?[/QUOTE]
"buy a whore" lol.
how about we just all stop drinking alcohol and we won't have to argue anymore
[QUOTE=Hank228;47486502]At 17, you are free to enlist in the United States Armed Forces and die in the line of duty for your country.
At 18, you are free to voice your opinion on the matter of politics and who is elected to represent you, as well as[b] legally have sexual intercourse with others your age AND legally purchase a firearm.[/b]
But you can't consume a drop of alcohol until you're 21, less you face fines and potentially prison time.
Makes sense to me.[/QUOTE]
This isn't entirely correct, there's no federal age of consent and the state laws vary from 14 to 19 (and the Romeo and Juliet exceptions are even more varied). Also you have to be 21 to purchase handguns (and in some states NFA items), at 18 you can purchase long guns.
Good to see my alma mater is living up to its reputation. Geaux Tigers!
[QUOTE=zacht_180;47486499]Stop right there. Sure, [del]a lot[/del] all of the light and cheap stuff is exactly what it is: light and cheap. Essentially it's crap, but a lot of the beers produced by actual breweries come out as phenomenal exceptions. Don't go there, because Arrogant Bastard, Stone, Great Lakes, Sierra Nevada, Southern Tier, Rhinegeist, Dogfish Head, Lagunitas, etc... I could literally go on and on. American craft beer can be pretty great.
Anyways, I think the age should just be 18. Responsibility is something that can be taught, and honestly isn't too hard.
#learn2smart[/QUOTE]
The Sierra Nevada Torpedo is fucking amazing.
I like idiot culls so I wouldn't mind it lowering to 18. The fittest will survive. Breify more innocent people will be causalities, but shit happens and it will balance out. Our laws shouldn't be based on the lowest common denominator and in a capitalist environment you should be able to easily buy your drug of choice.
[QUOTE=gav618;47491965]I like idiot culls so I wouldn't mind it lowering to 18. The fittest will survive. Breify more innocent people will be causalities, but shit happens and it will balance out. Our laws shouldn't be based on the lowest common denominator and in a capitalist environment you should be able to easily buy your drug of choice.[/QUOTE]
What the heck does this have to do with a socioeconomic system?
[QUOTE=gav618;47491965]I like idiot culls so I wouldn't mind it lowering to 18. The fittest will survive. Breify more innocent people will be causalities, but shit happens and it will balance out. Our laws shouldn't be based on the lowest common denominator and in a capitalist environment you should be able to easily buy your drug of choice.[/QUOTE]
lol you sound like a 14 year old trying to come off as a jaded cynic.
[editline]9th April 2015[/editline]
"the fittest will survive".
are you serious?
[QUOTE=Code3Response;47489336]In Minnesota you are allowed to drink underage on private property as long as you are under the supervision of your parents[/QUOTE]
Same in Was state.
[QUOTE=.Lain;47486043]i can't wrap my head around the US limiting alcohol to 21 when everything else is 18
21 seems like such an arbitrary and...late age for access to something like alcohol[/QUOTE]
The limit of 21 [B]coincidentally[/B] lines up with the end of brain development - in particular the frontal lobes, so it would be in everyone's best interest to actually wait until those regions have fully developed prior to getting absolutely wasted and hindering their development.
However, I don't think that was the reason why the age limit was chosen, most likely older conventions.
[QUOTE=Karmah;47492642]The limit of 21 [B]coincidentally[/B] lines up with the end of brain development - in particular the frontal lobes, so it would be in everyone's best interest to actually wait until those regions have fully developed prior to getting absolutely wasted and hindering their development.
However, I don't think that was the reason why the age limit was chosen, most likely older conventions.[/QUOTE]The brain thing has been debunked already.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;47489336]In Minnesota you are allowed to drink underage on private property as long as you are under the supervision of your parents[/QUOTE]
In Louisiana you can drink underage at a restaurant under parental supervision.
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;47490474]The Sierra Nevada Torpedo is fucking amazing.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, definitely one of the better IPAs I've had. I do admit I haven't been too familiarized with Sierra Nevada, but I do know that what I've had is great and that I'm sure the other brews are too.
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;47492201]lol you sound like a 14 year old trying to come off as a jaded cynic.
[editline]9th April 2015[/editline]
"the fittest will survive".
are you serious?[/QUOTE]
I'm serious that's how it works when society doesn't artificiality preserving failure.I'm okay with some of it, in that welfare and such needs to exist in a modern society to give people a second chance.If whatever your doing doesn't put others in danger I'm good with it people deciding what to do with their own bodies, instead of society or the government.
For example in NH you don't have to wear a seat belt, so I'm okay with others not wearing seatbelts in their cars, but if I'm riding in a car I want everyone to have seatbelts because I don't want to die from their body colliding with me at high speeds. Still against most drug use while driving as that puts others in danger besides being an idiot cull on them.
[QUOTE=Karmah;47492642]The limit of 21 [B]coincidentally[/B] lines up with the end of brain development - in particular the frontal lobes, so it would be in everyone's best interest to actually wait until those regions have fully developed prior to getting absolutely wasted and hindering their development.
However, I don't think that was the reason why the age limit was chosen, most likely older conventions.[/QUOTE]
thing is im pretty sure the earlier you introduce kids to something and give them guidance the less likely they are to abuse it. being restricted makes it a novelty and imo just makes people go wild even more on it when they do finally get access to it because there is such a buildup to this thing that they cant have but is meant to be a super cool and adult thing to do.
this is anecdotal but i used to go to the pub with my dad every week when i was 7-8 although i never drank alcohol (he worked in the brewery there so i was allowed to stay after hours), then my parents let me drink when we had get togethers and when we were on holiday and stuff from when i was like 11, they bought me alcohol to go to friends parties and stuff when i was 15/16 as well. around that time is when kids start realizing they can get their hands on alcohol all of my friends jumped on the novelty of going and getting wasted in a field somewhere every friday night after school, i went along but wasnt that bothered about drinking myself stupid because it was old news to me and i had already realized that being drunk isnt really that amazing from the few years before.
similar with smoking when i was 9-10 i was asking about smoking and my mother lit and gave me a cigarette (she doesnt smoke but runs a care home where most residents smoke), i took one puff and coughed/spluttered and thought it was the worst thing ever which made me never want to try it again.
i guess the uk has a totally different drinking culture to the us though, most peoples parents i knew were kind of ok with them drinking 16-18 as long as they werent stupid with it, heck we even had school organized socials every month for the final 2 school years where even the school knew that half the people attending were 17 but didnt care, police officers would usually be hanging around the bar outside as well talking to people who you could kind of tell weren't 18 yet and didnt mind as long as nobody was being an idiot.
I don't understand the alcohol craze to begin with. Just seems like a lot of money to me.
[QUOTE=TreasoN.avi;47493446]I don't understand the alcohol craze to begin with. Just seems like a lot of money to me.[/QUOTE]
Some people like the high from getting drunk, some people like the taste. Then you have people like myself who like both. I turned 21 a month ago today and I'd say more than 60% of the days that have passed so far I've had at least a shot of alcohol. Not getting crunk every night I just mix it in with my tea and coffee in the evening, nothing like tea with amaretto or coffee with peppermint schnapps.
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[QUOTE=Kingy_who;47486229]Hard alcohol is expensive compared to cheap wine. When you're young you can handle it.[/QUOTE]
hard alcohol is cheaper when comparing alcohol %
[QUOTE=Kingy_who;47486229]Hard alcohol is expensive compared to cheap wine. When you're young you can handle it.[/QUOTE]
hard alcohol is cheap as fuck what are you on about
[editline]10th April 2015[/editline]
maybe in the UK its different, but here it's slightly cheaper, in the US its even cheaper.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;47487004]Lol what? You dont drink dark beers to party bucko.[/QUOTE]
I'll puke if I drink light beer, especially the pisswater that is Bud Light, Natural Light, etc.
It's disgusting, and I used to drink it a lot when I was younger, until I saw the light (or darkness rather). You know what they say, once you go black you never go back...
:v:
[QUOTE=TreasoN.avi;47493446]I don't understand the alcohol craze to begin with. Just seems like a lot of money to me.[/QUOTE]
as you get older youll realise how shit people, life and the world are and turn to alcohol to drown your sorrows like the rest of us
[QUOTE=.Lain;47486043]i can't wrap my head around the US limiting alcohol to 21 when everything else is 18
21 seems like such an arbitrary and...late age for access to something like alcohol[/QUOTE]
It's so that high schoolers have less access to alcohol; if it's 18, they've got senior friends who can buy it for them. If it's 21, then the kids who can buy it generally don't hang out with high schoolers. [url=http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/02/24/study-the-debate-is-over-higher-drinking-age-saves-lives]It's reduced drunk driving deaths for teenagers.[/url]
[quote]But DeJong says other countries serve as tales of caution for what would happen if the United States was to reverse its stance on a higher drinking age. New Zealand, DeJong says, lowered the drinking age from 20 to 18 in 1999.
"Once they did that they saw an immediate uptick in alcohol-related traffic crashes and other alcohol problems," DeJong says. Throughout the country, there were more alcohol-related driving incidents involving individuals aged 16 through 19, DeJong says.
"In addition to our own national experience with the law at the state level going back and forth between 18 and 21, we have a very recent example of a country doing exactly what this group proposed and there were clear consequences," DeJong says.[/quote]
[url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24565317]another source[/url]
[quote]RESULTS:
Recent research on the age 21 MLDA has reinforced the position that the current law has served the nation well by reducing alcohol-related traffic crashes and alcohol consumption among youths, while also protecting drinkers from long-term negative outcomes they might experience in adulthood, including alcohol and other drug dependence, adverse birth outcomes, and suicide and homicide.[/quote]
I'm 20 and I've never really cared about the drinking age. I've drank a little bit and I don't really plan on drinking after I turn 21. Partially cause theres a long history of alcoholism in my family and I'm afraid to end up like 99% of the men in my family, and partially because I just have no interest in it
[QUOTE=zacht_180;47486499]Stop right there. Sure, [del]a lot[/del] all of the light and cheap stuff is exactly what it is: light and cheap. Essentially it's crap, but a lot of the beers produced by actual breweries come out as phenomenal exceptions. Don't go there, because Arrogant Bastard, Stone, Great Lakes, Sierra Nevada, Southern Tier, Rhinegeist, Dogfish Head, Lagunitas, etc... I could literally go on and on. American craft beer can be pretty great.
Anyways, I think the age should just be 18. Responsibility is something that can be taught, and honestly isn't too hard.
#learn2smart[/QUOTE]
The problem is, american craft beer is only as good as Euro macros and costs give times as much. If you went to euro micro breweries you'd be in a whole different world.
There's a couple reasons why Europeans make fun of american beer, regardless if it's from a macro or micro.
im a cider drinker and was very confused when i was served hot apple juice in Virgina
apparently i had to ask for "hard cider".....
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