• Kosovo launches takeover of 2 disputed border crossings with Serbia
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[QUOTE=Ridge;31338388]But we're not the world's police, remember? We shouldn't have a long standing presence in a foreign country, remember?[/QUOTE]of course we are lets wipe these serbian terrorists out!
Ok, I tried to take out key stuff from announcement: - KFOR commadant requests 40 minutes to contact Hasim Tachi - KFOR can only pass if ROSA completelly falls back - Serbian authorities requested that situation is returned to yesterday's one - "This action was organized to provoke Serbians, they wanted to make a situation where no negotations are needed." - "Serbians will defend this part without falling to provocations." - "We expect that our requests be fulfilled since they are perfectly reasonable, and we expect more provocations like this from Kosovo Albanians." [editline]26th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ridge;31338388]But we're not the world's police, remember? We shouldn't have a long standing presence in a foreign country, remember?[/QUOTE] You actually do have Base Bondsteel (which Serbia didn't allow until NATO made it itself after Kosovo war), and I wouldn't be surprised that your exploiting coal since Kosovo has huge natural resources. It's funny because USA spends more in wargear than it does in education and healthcare.
What the Hell do these countries have that the other ones want besides land and people they want to kill?
I mean look at this shit, Albanians named a street George Bush and Bill Clinton avenue. They even made them goddamn monuments. [IMG]http://sondrak.com/images/uploads/clinton_kosovo_statue.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.huffpost.com/gen/303041/thumbs/r-ALBANIA-GEORGE-W-BUSH-STATUE-large570.jpg[/IMG] It's sad really. [editline]26th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=CabooseRvB;31338511]What the Hell do these countries have that the other ones want besides land and people they want to kill?[/QUOTE] Natural resources, and Yugoslavian war was mostly made because serbians wanted to stay inside Serbian territory while other exyu countries claimed their places to belong to them (Serbian Krajina, Republic of Srpska). Also, this film is pretty good about Yugoslavian war. [url]http://www.weightofchains.com/[/url] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L60-vPnbXOg[/media]
Words cannot explain how much I completely do not understand this ridiculously confusing conflict at all.
Yeah, it's pretty complicated. Anyways I'm off, so I'll update this thread tomorrow (it's already 5AM, so basically in few hours).
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;31338511]What the Hell do these countries have that the other ones want besides land and people they want to kill?[/QUOTE] That's pretty much it.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;31338206]What the hell is Hostile Intent?[/QUOTE] The best HL1 mod in the world ever
july will be a month full of death and sorrow...
I hope everything turns out well for my fellow slavics
[QUOTE=SuperKiwi;31339749]july will be a month full of death and sorrow...[/QUOTE] What about March?
[QUOTE=CharadesV2;31339975]What about March?[/QUOTE] scratch that, 2011 will be a year full of fucked up shit.
The past 2-3 years have been pretty shitty for the entire world Natural disasters, half of the Polish government dying, cool celebrities dying
Awww shit, it looks like it's going down. [url]http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/ci/story/1/Политика/930762/Пуцњава+код+Брњака.html[/url] Gunshots could be heard, and there are reports of injured people, I'll see if I can translate. Ok, rough translation of header: [quote]Situation at area Brnjak is confusing since the morning - during retreat of Kosovo Police gunshoats were heard, but reliable source doesn't have any information who opened fire. At least one policemen is injured, and there is no data about eventual serbian casualities. KFOR sent unit to area.[/quote] Timeline: 15.04 - Forces of KFOR are moving to Brnjak area so further excalation of violence could be stopped. 15.14 - One member of Kosovo Police injured near Zubin Potok 15.44 - No compromise with Serbia, special units stay where they are, said Kosovo premier Hasim Taci 16.28 - Kosovo policeman recived head injury.He's in hospital in southern part of Kosovo Mitrovica. Special team to take care of injured is formed. Serbian comment from Kosovo [quote] (уторак, 26. јул 2011, 16:52) legend [нерегистровани] пошаљи одговор pomoc nezvanicna informacija je da se albanci skupljaju na juznom delu kos.mitrovice i spremaju napad, ljudi ako nesto srbija ne ucini gotovi smo , trenutno na 3 mesta branimo polozaje , tako da smo odvojeni i slabiji i nemamo dovoljni ljutstva... ako krenu sa svih strana tesko nam[/quote] [quote] Help Unofficial infromation is that Albanians are gathering at southern part of Kosovo Mitrovica and are preparing attack, people if Serbia doesn't do something we're done, we are defending our places at 3 locations at the moment, so we're seperated and weaker and don't have enough people... if they attack us from all sides we will be in trouble[/quote] 16.54 - There are no injured Serbs, source Kosovo Mitrovica hospital. [quote]17.01 - Прелаз Јариње поново затворен. Срби блокирали пут реагујући на вест о сукобима недалеко од Зубиног Потока.[/quote] 17.01 - Passage Jarinje closed again. Serbians blocked the path reacting to news about violence near Zubin Potok.
[QUOTE=ColdWave;31337536]How does the middle east get so messed up?[/QUOTE] we messed it up
Why? why did they have to provoke the Serbs again? Since Kosovo got it's independence it should have kept to itself and maybe give Kosovo-Serbs some self autonomy or at the very least treat them as fellow citizens. Nipping at Serbia borders over obscure border posts is like prodding an already pissed off giant living next door. I'm also sure the Serbs themselves are relishing this opportunity for some payback too, and will jump at any hint of violence with more. There's so many reasons why this is bad news.
17.48 - Authorities in Pristina claim that there is not kosovo customs in Brnjak area, but that there are special forces and customs and Jarinje passage. 17.52 - UMNIK is worried, French ambassador requests that, with deal with EULEX, decision of authorities in Pristina is respected and allowed. 18.00 - Heavily injured Kosovo Special unit relocated by helicopter in Pristina's hopsital. 18.05 - Smaller groups of people are gathering at north and south part of the bridge in Kosovo Mitrovica. How the fuck can decision be respected and allowed when they so forcefully barge in? [editline]26th July 2011[/editline] Oh and answer to my question is probably becaue US and EU is down there, I [B]really[/B] doubt they did this without them knowing, it's basically impossible for that to happen. You start to question why does dialogue between Belgrade and Pristina even exist when Albanians do stupid shit like this. [editline]26th July 2011[/editline] [quote]19.03 - Kosovo's govermant has the right to take measures so it could secure control over the whole territory, including the control of customs and borders, said potparol International civil office in Kosovo Endi Macgafi. [/quote] Do note that these Albanians already have embargo that forbids any goods from Serbia to get into Kosovo. [quote]19.08 - Borislav Stefanovic announced that he made a deal with commandant of KFOR Erhard Biller that special unit ROSA retreats to Pristina by tomorrow morining, and that barricades will be removed from roads in North Kosovo.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;31338023]Are you both stupid, Kosovo is in Eastern Europe.[/QUOTE] Are the 3 of you stupid? Kosovo is in South Eastern Europe
Am I the only one who has no idea what the fuck is going on?
[QUOTE=ewitwins;31348727]Am I the only one who has no idea what the fuck is going on?[/QUOTE] I agree, it's very frustrating trying to learn about the Balkan situation, since when the really big stuff happened I was only a few years old. I have only a just-adequate understanding of it all. Someone who knows should write something explaining the whole thing. Even Wikipedia's articles on it are hard to understand because there are so many of them. Same for Israel although I have a better understanding of that.
I could write a history how it all began in Yugoslavia, but it would probably end up looking biased. Tho I will just let you know that a lot of stuff in western media isn't true, and that huge ammount of events were unreported. You could watch this movie, it's pretty good and it has nice ratings. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qi50Mun4RA&feature=related[/media] [editline]26th July 2011[/editline] This movie is related to Kosovo, same producer: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKZufhh6xGQ&feature=related[/media] Here's full version of it in Youtube: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nHWsWOgtiw&feature=related[/url]
[QUOTE=smurfy;31349364]I agree, it's very frustrating trying to learn about the Balkan situation, since when the really big stuff happened I was only a few years old. I have only a just-adequate understanding of it all. Someone who knows should write something explaining the whole thing. Even Wikipedia's articles on it are hard to understand because there are so many of them. Same for Israel although I have a better understanding of that.[/QUOTE] It's really hard to be objective about it, and simplifying it never really works. But here goes. It all started in 1990 (although there are a few other reasons, WW1+2 and the Turk invasion comes to mind, it explains the hatred but that is getting into details) When Yugoslavia broke up, now it was already fairly cracked when Tito died in 1980, so when the fall of communism came the main states in Yugoslavia except for Serbia decided that they wanted their own country. This included Croatia, Slovenia and parts of Bosnia and Herzegovina, plus Macedonia. Serbia was more or less the only country left at the reigns of dieing Yugoslavia and it forbid the others from leaving. But why would they all break up like that? 1.Economic reasons 2.Ethnic tensions 3.Resurgence of nationalism Slovenia was the first to try their hand at independence, it resulted in the short but brutal war of independence of 1991, The Yugoslav peoples army (more or less Serbia) was sent to quell it. But in the end it was decided to let Slovenia go. Next came Croatia, this war turned out to be the messiest thus far (The Bosnia fiasco coming later) This war went on from 1991-1995. It also contained horrible acts committed on different ethnicity's on both sides. In the end Croatia gained its independence but, there was a lot of animosity between Serbs and Croats (even though it was like that before the war, it was worse now) At this stage Yugoslavia is gone, we have multiple countries hustling about. And in the middle of all this is Bosnia, this took place between 1992-1995, during the Serb-Croatian war, and it also involved them. Bosnia is a melting pot of ethnicity's. You had Bosniak-Serbs, Bosniak-Croats and Bosniak- Muslims. (You can see were this is going) The resulting war between the 3 groups and the intervention of Serbia/Croatia/Islamists and eventually the UN an NATO just shows how brutal it was. Mass slaughter,, genocide, the works, every thing that was bad happened in Bosnia. When a peace treaty was eventually signed Bosnia became Independent, despite half not wanting it. In other words its messed up. Finally the Kosovo affair. Much like Bosnia it contained 3 different ethnicity's Serbs, Macedonians and Albanians. The real trouble was between the Albanians and the Serbians. Serbia wanted it and Albania wanted it, in the end it just became independent with an Albanian majority, much to the distaste of the Serbs living in it. The rest is bad history, and according to this news article its starting all over again. There you have it Mabus's brief and simple (perhaps too simple) history of the Yugoslav wars and Kosovo.
20.14 - Website located in Pristina NewKosovaReport claims that Kosovo's goverment doesn't accept the deal about passages Brnjak and Jarinje made by Stefanovic and Commadant of KFOR. 21.05 - Hasim Taci: Police wont leave passages Brnjak and Jarinje, because that's question of suverinity. Special forces will stay on passages until order is secured. [editline]26th July 2011[/editline] [url]http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/ci/story/1/Политика/930982/Крај+кризе+на+северу+Косова%3F.html?tts=yes[/url] [quote] End of crisis in North Kosovo? Chief of Serbian negotating team Borislav Stefanovic made an announcement that a deal has been made with commadant of KFOR Erhard Biller about redrawing all members of Kosovo Police speical units from north of Kosovo to Pristina.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Mabus;31350094]It's really hard to be objective about it, and simplifying it never really works. But here goes. It all started in 1990 (although there are a few other reasons, WW1+2 and the Turk invasion comes to mind, it explains the hatred but that is getting into details) When Yugoslavia broke up, now it was already fairly cracked when Tito died in 1980, so when the fall of communism came the main states in Yugoslavia except for Serbia decided that they wanted their own country. This included Croatia, Slovenia and parts of Bosnia and Herzegovina, plus Macedonia. Serbia was more or less the only country left at the reigns of dieing Yugoslavia and it forbid the others from leaving. But why would they all break up like that? 1.Economic reasons 2.Ethnic tensions 3.Resurgence of nationalism Slovenia was the first to try their hand at independence, it resulted in the short but brutal war of independence of 1991, The Yugoslav peoples army (more or less Serbia) was sent to quell it. But in the end it was decided to let Slovenia go. Next came Croatia, this war turned out to be the messiest thus far (The Bosnia fiasco coming later) This war went on from 1991-1995. It also contained horrible acts committed on different ethnicity's on both sides. In the end Croatia gained its independence but, there was a lot of animosity between Serbs and Croats (even though it was like that before the war, it was worse now) At this stage Yugoslavia is gone, we have multiple countries hustling about. And in the middle of all this is Bosnia, this took place between 1992-1995, during the Serb-Croatian war, and it also involved them. Bosnia is a melting pot of ethnicity's. You had Bosniak-Serbs, Bosniak-Croats and Bosniak- Muslims. (You can see were this is going) The resulting war between the 3 groups and the intervention of Serbia/Croatia/Islamists and eventually the UN an NATO just shows how brutal it was. Mass slaughter,, genocide, the works, every thing that was bad happened in Bosnia. When a peace treaty was eventually signed Bosnia became Independent, despite half not wanting it. In other words its messed up. Finally the Kosovo affair. Much like Bosnia it contained 3 different ethnicity's Serbs, Macedonians and Albanians. The real trouble was between the Albanians and the Serbians. Serbia wanted it and Albania wanted it, in the end it just became independent with an Albanian majority, much to the distaste of the Serbs living in it. The rest is bad history, and according to this news article its starting all over again. There you have it Mabus's brief and simple (perhaps too simple) history of the Yugoslav wars and Kosovo.[/QUOTE] So basically... the Baltics are a gigantic clusterfuck?
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;31338467] You actually do have Base Bondsteel (which Serbia didn't allow until NATO made it itself after Kosovo war), and I wouldn't be surprised that your exploiting coal since Kosovo has huge natural resources. It's funny because USA spends more in wargear than it does in education and healthcare.[/QUOTE] Coal? Pfft, the US has the largest coal deposit in the world. It's oil we're after, silly.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;31353907]So basically... the Baltics are a gigantic clusterfuck?[/QUOTE] what [editline]26th July 2011[/editline] I seriously don't know if people in this thread are messing around or are they uneducated for real.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;31354222]what [editline]26th July 2011[/editline] I seriously don't know if people in this thread are messing around or are they uneducated for real.[/QUOTE] I think they're messing around, no way that they could make a mistake that big seeing as the Baltics are on the other side of Europe.
Why are so many serbs (obviously not all) brainwashed from birth thinking they were the good guys and the saviors of the balkans in the 90's among other things? It's pretty much like if after WW2 Germany just continued with Nazism and just denied everything they did. [editline]26th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ewitwins;31353907]So basically... the Baltics are a gigantic clusterfuck?[/QUOTE] Baltics lol, not sure if a clever joke or just stupid
[QUOTE=Aman VII;31354442]Why are so many serbs (obviously not all) brainwashed from birth thinking they were the good guys and the saviors of the balkans in the 90's among other things? It's pretty much like if after WW2 Germany just continued with Nazism and just denied everything they did.[/QUOTE] Actually I kinda feel sorry for Serbia in some ways, They were invaded and subjugated by the Turks, they got a real hammering in WW1 then in WW2 they were hunted down by Croatian Nazi's the Ustaše. The same examples could be brought up about the others former Yugoslav countries.It's a tragic history of violence and retaliation. If you were from such and such it would be easy to see why your the good guys and their the bad guys. Even in my own case, I seen Ireland as the force of good and what was just during the troubles, and the British as the enemy. Also it's good to see that the two sides are in talks, and things have quieted down .
[QUOTE=Aman VII;31354442]Why are so many serbs (obviously not all) brainwashed from birth thinking they were the good guys and the saviors of the balkans in the 90's among other things?[/QUOTE] Very many Eastern Europeans think that the Serbs were the brave vanguard against the evil Islamic hordes but other than that I know very very little about the whole thing and it's absolutely fucking impossible to find an unbiased source anywhere.
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