• Painting owned by Eric Clapton sold for £21,000,000 - New record. It's a bit crap.
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I'd buy it for 5$
[QUOTE=Scotchair;38019735]Do enlighten me. I've spent 6 years at art colleges and universities, and still can't understand how something can be worth this amount of money. It doesn't make sense whatsoever. I just want to know where the sense of value in art comes from. Think of the size of house you could buy for £21m... the amount of food you could buy for £21m. Unfathomable amounts.[/QUOTE] art is not shelter, a good, or a service. any price assigned to a piece of art is completely arbitrary
[QUOTE=Dori;38019720]btw it's silly to judge the painting based on a low-quality thumbnail. we haven't seen it in person and we don't know the story or process behind it[/QUOTE] I agree, but the point isn't this particular painting, Which we all pretty much agree it's nice. Let's assume it's absolutely stunning to behold in real life, the best painting we've ever seen! £21,000,000?
[QUOTE=Scotchair;38019774]I agree, but the point isn't this particular painting, Which we all pretty much agree it's nice. Let's assume it's absolutely stunning to behold in real life, the best painting we've ever seen! £21,000,000?[/QUOTE] if somebody thinks it's worth 21m, it's worth 21m
[QUOTE=zakedodead;38019742] Because it has a name brand attached to it.[/QUOTE] Aye pretty much. Still boggles me how anybody's name is worth that much.
people spend ridiculous amounts of money on rare comics, cars, etc. way more than what the materials used to make them are worth. those are sentimental values
[QUOTE=Scotchair;38019735]Do enlighten me. I've spent 6 years at art colleges and universities, and still can't understand how something can be worth this amount of money. It doesn't make sense whatsoever. I just want to know where the sense of value in art comes from. Think of the size of house you could buy for £21m... the amount of food you could buy for £21m. Unfathomable amounts.[/QUOTE] Well some people look at a piece of what they consider to be art and say, "Here is £X, I'd like to own this painting because I like it/think it looks cool/hate it but need it." Any value set to a piece is arbitrary and subjective, it just happens that some people feel like paying a certain amount of money for something and might not be able to explain why.
Huh. So apparently I could stick a piece of canvas under my lawnmower, then sit on it and think up some absurd, deep bullshit while the engine drips oil randomly onto said canvas. Take it out after 30 minutes, smear the oil around, frame it with that bullshit from earlier stenciled into the wood, and never have to work again for the rest of my life! Seriously though fuck art. I've never understood the point of it. I've never seen a single piece hanging on a museum wall that I would willingly pay more than $20 for...and even if I did I wouldn't. I could just as easily google image the bitch, then go down to a copy shop and enlarge it as much as I damn well please for a couple of bucks.
[QUOTE=lotusking;38019727]wow but its just a bunch of paint on canvas who cares??? i could totally make a better painting!!![/QUOTE] FYI, "You can't do it so you can't be the judge" is not and has never been a valid argument. Just because I can't paint something grunge like that doesn't mean I can't say that I don't care for it or that I don't think it's worth $21,000,000
woah wait is that a skull in the middle of it?
the only art pieces i've really ever even began to like are dali's stuff
[QUOTE=Scotchair;38019735]Do enlighten me. I've spent 6 years at art colleges and universities, and still can't understand how something can be worth this amount of money. It doesn't make sense whatsoever. I just want to know where the sense of value in art comes from. Think of the size of house you could buy for £21m... the amount of food you could buy for £21m. Unfathomable amounts.[/QUOTE] Because there's only one of it, and multiple wealthy people that want it, so the price gets artifically driven up by demand.
[QUOTE=ThisGuy0;38019854]Because there's only one of it, and multiple wealthy people that want it, so the price gets artifically driven up by demand.[/QUOTE] I'm aware of the process but it's still fucking retarded. Keep rating me folder sanius, but it'd be nice if you posted something that could explain to me the appeal of a canvas with paint arbitrarily splashed on it past "rich people want it hepraderpa"
It's a nice painting, but it's like a Mac. It's only expensive because it's made by someone famous.
[QUOTE=ThisGuy0;38019854]Because there's only one of it, and multiple wealthy people that want it, so the price gets artifically driven up by demand.[/QUOTE] I understand completely. But have you really thought about how much money £21m actually is? How can anything created in an afternoon be worth that much :/ I'm not much angry at the artist, or the painting, more the people that are willing to spend such incredible amounts on something they think looks nice. [editline]13th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=redhaven;38019869]It's a nice painting, but it's like a Mac. It's only expensive because it's made by someone famous.[/QUOTE] At least macs have a function, and they take time and effort to design, manufacture, test, market etc... you can get years of use out of a mac, thousands of hours. And you'd be able to buy 20,000 Macbook Pros with this painting.
[QUOTE=TestECull;38019813]Seriously though fuck art. [B]I've never understood the point of it.[/B][/QUOTE] evidently not
Looks like a combination of vertical soundwaves in a audio editor. Much like this: [img]http://www.digitalartistshandbook.org/files/image/audacity.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=lotusking;38019699]itt: 14 year olds whos only exposure to art is through video games try to argue about fine art.[/QUOTE] You're just being ridiculous
[QUOTE=ADT;38019958]You're just being ridiculous[/QUOTE] No he's right you have to be in or graduated from art school to appreciate it.
[QUOTE=Scotchair;38019877]At least macs have a function, and they take time and effort to design, manufacture, test, market etc... you can get years of use out of a mac, thousands of hours. And you'd be able to buy 20,000 Macbook Pros with this painting.[/QUOTE] This picture too has a function. And it's taken time, effort and careful thought to make too. I'll admit it's far from my favorite contemporary, but the value of art is not something set by production which you say you understand. So if you're filthy rich, you might as well buy one if you like it. And 200,000 Macbook pros too if you desire.
Did the money go to some kind of charity?
[QUOTE=mac338;38019983]This picture too has a function. And it's taken time, effort and careful thought to make too. I'll admit it's far from my favorite contemporary, but the value of art is not something set by production which you say you understand. So if you're filthy rich, you might as well buy one. And 200,000 Macbook pros too if you desire.[/QUOTE] Except for when the picture itself is arbitrary and the value comes from the name of the artist that created it.
[QUOTE=ADT;38019958]You're just being ridiculous[/QUOTE] He's right though.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;38019972]No he's right you have to be in or graduated from art school to appreciate it.[/QUOTE] wow hahah what You don't need to get some kind of degree to appreciate someone's art. [QUOTE=Cathedral;38020001]He's right though.[/QUOTE] And how so? Personally, I absolutely loathe these kind of canvas like in the OP's thumbnail. They have no forms, nothing actually represented, while trying to pull off some kind of deep meaning "bullshit" imo.
$34,000,000 is 14% of the amount the US Gov paid France for the state of Louisiana (adjusted for inflation). 7 of these paintings and you can buy yourself a US state which is 2,140,000 km2. The mind boggles. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase[/url]
[QUOTE=zakedodead;38019996]Except for when the picture itself is arbitrary and the value comes from the name of the artist that created it.[/QUOTE] The thing with [modern] contemporary art is that what it does to an individual varies highly from peson-to-person because it's a highly thought-driven process, so while it's quite boring to someone like me, someone else might get a deep emotional or philosophical connection with it. So imagine you get this connection, and you're super-rich. Maybe the price-tag doesn't matter? (This is assuming whoever bought this didn't just buy it because of the artist.)
Wish I had £21 mil to spend on a painting.
[QUOTE=mac338;38019983]but the value of art is not something set by production which you say you understand. [/QUOTE] So what is it set by? Opinions? If that's the case why do we all kick up a fuss about paying $60 for a video game? If EA were to turn around and charge $20,000 for their next title just because they value it at that, is it ok?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/6itAA.jpg[/img] The crossing lines represent a [I]~~~~~~~tortured soul~~~~~~[/I] $1,000,000 please
[QUOTE=zakedodead;38019996]Except for when the picture itself is arbitrary and the value comes from the name of the artist that created it.[/QUOTE] People buy pictures like these because they feel obligated to do so for reasons that we may not be able to understand. What these reasons are is totally irrelevant, the only thing that matters is that someone found a painting they thought was worth buying. [editline]13th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=evilweazel;38020060][img]http://i.imgur.com/6itAA.jpg[/img] The crossing lines represent a [I]~~~~~~~tortured soul~~~~~~[/I] $1,000,000 please[/QUOTE] surprised it took fifty nine posts for someone to do this
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