USA: 6 Million More Students With Bachelor’s Degrees Than Jobs Available for Them: One-third of thos
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[QUOTE=AJ10017;48909857]You got a philosophy degree and you are surprised that you don't have a job in that field? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I think it's more that he can't get any job, like at all. There's no jobs left but the right wing media keep pushing the "unemployed people are just lazy" narrative (because obviously they want to justify keeping their taxes down since the right wing media is run by rich people) and everyone who isn't currently desperate just laps it up and refuses to do anything about it.
[editline]15th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Code3Response;48910617]well no one deserves a job ever[/QUOTE]
Hello Rand Paul
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;48909028]Going to sound like an asshole here, but people might need to realize you can't really chase your "dream job" for your work. Now its finding degrees for jobs that are actually available.[/QUOTE]
I agree I'm going to school to be a registered nurse because that's where the money is at and I can keep going up in that profession if I choose to. Let's be honest here... I'm not looking forward to doing the shitty jobs but it pays better than most jobs and is in demand. Plus only have to do 3 - 12/hour shifts a week and awesome benefits.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48910622]One thing I like about my dad is that he acknowledges how easy it was to get a job.
"If I didn't like it I just jumped to another one without any effort" or something along those lines. He got into oil, mining and construction and a bunch of other high end stuff without a degree.[/QUOTE]
It's a shame more people don't make the effort (or just want to look better than us) to acknowledge this. It's well and good saying in the days of their generation they walked to work through sleet and snow every day to work their fingers to the bone but they at least had jobs they could access without needing some asspulled degree, never mind that housing prices and other costs have soared immensely (My parents' first house sold for double what they paid for it).
This "Back in my day-" argument needs to stop. You can't apply your personal standards that date back to the 60s (When you could buy a house for a few thousand, if that) to modern society and the sooner people recognise that the better.
[QUOTE=draugur;48910639]Yeah, jobs are a gift we must earn by promising our children in a blood contract of serfdom to our corporate lords. Our generous benefactors will provide us with corporation provided housing, closer to work so we can save time and money on our commute, praise be.[/QUOTE]
I dont know what the fuck you're on, but just because you have a degree does not mean you [I]deserve[/I] a job.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;48910901]I dont know what the fuck you're on, but just because you have a degree does not mean you [I]deserve[/I] a job.[/QUOTE]
It should do considering how much it fucking costs, the fact that people with degrees can't get jobs shows the system has failed miserably at providing for people. It's not exactly like there's a shortage of resources, there's no excuse for the massive amount of unemployed poor people, other than of course because the greedy shits at the top want to horde even more resources to themselves. I mean these are the same people who attack the communists for their failure to provide for people while supporting a system that's getting to be almost as bad.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;48910901]I dont know what the fuck you're on, but just because you have a degree does not mean you [I]deserve[/I] a job.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because they already deserve a job by sole virtue of being human.
[QUOTE=Archonos 2;48909590]Why is this always the first response?
"Hehe heh I bet all 6 million of these kids have degrees in philosophy and studio art huehue"
It's hard to find a job out of college. It seems like unless you go for engineering, computers, or hard science then you're screwed and even then it's difficult. And not everyone wants a future in those fields.[/QUOTE]
Should have thought about your degree beforehands.
It's not anyone's problem the world doesn't need more philosophers.
I am not in US, but seriously I know a lot of people that get degrees for the sake of doing it, because everyone does it. They end up studying something vague like management and then suddenly realise they have no applicable skills.
The difference is that in our country they don't have 20k debts.
The system is sure broken, but people not thinking practically are also to blame.
There aren't too few jobs, there are just too many people.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;48911052]Yeah, because they already deserve a job by sole virtue of being human.[/QUOTE]
There is no deserving in economics.
No one deserves anything in life. Rephrasing it: you are not entitled to anything in life.
If a city needs a pipe cleaner there appears a position. If you have the skills and other requirements (which might include knowing the right people and other "unfair" things) you can fill it.
But if you studied 6 years to be a pipe cleaner and there are no pipe cleaner positions nobody has to go through the expense of hiring because you spent a lot of money and time. There is only loss and no gain for them in that decision.
The sole virtue of being human grants you the ability to do whatever. That's all.
don't worry, Bernie Sander's plan to get more people college degrees will fix this
I'm one of those 1/3rd who has a BS yet doing something completely different that doesn't even require one. Yah! College!
[QUOTE=Rich209;48911210]I'm one of those 1/3rd who has a BS yet doing something completely different that doesn't even require one. Yah! College![/QUOTE]
What's your field?
I'm studying BA commercial photography
But I'm planning on opening my own studio sooo it kinda works out
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;48910943]It should do considering how much it fucking costs, the fact that people with degrees can't get jobs shows the system has failed miserably at providing for people. It's not exactly like there's a shortage of resources, there's no excuse for the massive amount of unemployed poor people, other than of course because the greedy shits at the top want to horde even more resources to themselves. I mean these are the same people who attack the communists for their failure to provide for people while supporting a system that's getting to be almost as bad.[/QUOTE]
The system hasn't failed at providing to people, the system failed by encouraging every idiot to go to college regardless of whether or not they want to or need to. The reason degrees are more and more worthless is because everyone has one and everyone can get one, we've made it standard to get a college education and now people are wondering why their bachelors in philosophy isn't an automatic job. If you want to study something that isn't in demand, that's great, enjoy your studies and be proud of the education you've pursued, just don't act surprised when you don't get a job. Even if you get a STEM degree, you're in a market where there are tons of people applying for the same job. It should be common sense to think that you need to do something other than be a warm body for 4 years at a public university to tip the odds in your favor, like interning, freelancing, coming up with hobby projects, doing something or anything to demonstrate your interest and enthusiasm for the field. That's not to say the market isn't absolutely stacked against new graduates and the current job market is absolutely pitiful, but the idea that a degree should guarantee you employment is delirious.
[QUOTE=srobins;48911226]The system hasn't failed at providing to people, the system failed by encouraging every idiot to go to college regardless of whether or not they want to or need to. The reason degrees are more and more worthless is because everyone has one and everyone can get one, we've made it standard to get a college education and now people are wondering why their bachelors in philosophy isn't an automatic job. If you want to study something that isn't in demand, that's great, enjoy your studies and be proud of the education you've pursued, just don't act surprised when you don't get a job. Even if you get a STEM degree, you're in a market where there are tons of people applying for the same job. It should be common sense to think that you need to do something other than be a warm body for 4 years at a public university to tip the odds in your favor, like interning, freelancing, coming up with hobby projects, doing something or anything to demonstrate your interest and enthusiasm for the field. That's not to say the market isn't absolutely stacked against new graduates and the current job market is absolutely pitiful, but the idea that a degree should guarantee you employment is delirious.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but people get them because every job now requires a degree. If companies would stop demanding degrees people would go for alternative avenues, either that or the government needs to provide alternative education avenues for people instead of funneling everyone into degrees
If STEM jobs have too many people and people with humanities degrees don't get any jobs, what is there left to study in college?
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;48911177]There is no deserving in economics.
No one deserves anything in life. Rephrasing it: you are not entitled to anything in life.
If a city needs a pipe cleaner there appears a position. If you have the skills and other requirements (which might include knowing the right people and other "unfair" things) you can fill it.
But if you studied 6 years to be a pipe cleaner and there are no pipe cleaner positions nobody has to go through the expense of hiring because you spent a lot of money and time. There is only loss and no gain for them in that decision.
The sole virtue of being human grants you the ability to do whatever. That's all.[/QUOTE]
That's why you build a better education system and a welfare system to stop people falling through the cracks
why do people not understand that a degree is not supposed to be a free pass to a career? it's about learning. you should spend your time in education focusing on being the best candidate you can be for your dream career. if you can't get it, go harder and try again. there's always a way.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;48911052]Yeah, because they already deserve a job by sole virtue of being human.[/QUOTE]
If you want to go the virtue right, then no one should work because as humans we have free will and should not be subject to artificial restrictions. No one should have to work for food, shelter, water, and enjoyment.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;48910943]It should do considering how much it fucking costs, the fact that people with degrees can't get jobs shows the system has failed miserably at providing for people. It's not exactly like there's a shortage of resources, there's no excuse for the massive amount of unemployed poor people, other than of course because the greedy shits at the top want to horde even more resources to themselves. I mean these are the same people who attack the communists for their failure to provide for people while supporting a system that's getting to be almost as bad.[/QUOTE]
I dont like paying my student loans. I wish I didnt have them. I wish my degree (and licenses) were free- or damn near it, but thats not an excuse for "deserving" a job. Could you imagine the entitlement some idiot would have because they have 250,000+ in debt for a shit degree. Just because the system is shit does not mean you are entitled to anything.
People go to school to become a pilot, leave with 250,000 in debt due to flight costs, work their asses off to get a shitty regional jet job to gain hours (making $40k). You dont make any type of good money until you've worked your ass off for years and meet the right people. 10% of all aviation (flight) majors make it into the cockpit of a major airline. What are those other 90% entitled to? Nothing. They are entitled to nothing but the debt they put their name on.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;48911242]If STEM jobs have too many people and people with humanities degrees don't get any jobs, what is there left to study in college?[/QUOTE]
Economics and medicine biatch (these two dont qualify as hum. Right?)
Over the years I've heard it expand from 'Graduate high school at least or you'll work McDonalds' to 'Graduate college and you'll get to work your dream job and fulfill your dreams!' to 'Graduate college and you'll have a better chance at a good job' to 'Graduate college at least or you'll work McDonalds' and now it's 'Graduate college in the STEM field at least so you have a chance at not working McDonald's if you network and get lucky'
thing is that whatever the current rules are nothing sounds sustainable at all to me and that's the news I'm getting out of this, from everything I'm hearing a degree is very quickly starting to mean nothing, we expect too much experience and education out of a person to run a fucking dishwasher and by getting everyone a college degree, the college degree is quickly becoming worthless and the job fields we've specialized in simply can't support us all, and no amount of surviving at the moment advice like networking is going to stop everything from reaching a point of maximum fucked up
but hey, that's just my perspective, I could be wrong, I'm not a college graduate after all
[QUOTE=Code3Response;48911376]If you want to go the virtue right, then no one should work because as humans we have free will and should not be subject to artificial restrictions. No one should have to work for food, shelter, water, and enjoyment.
I dont like paying my student loans. I wish I didnt have them. I wish my degree (and licenses) were free- or damn near it, but thats not an excuse for "deserving" a job. Could you imagine the entitlement some idiot would have because they have 250,000+ in debt for a shit degree. Just because the system is shit does not mean you are entitled to anything.
People go to school to become a pilot, leave with 250,000 in debt due to flight costs, work their asses off to get a shitty regional jet job to gain hours (making $40k). You dont make any type of good money until you've worked your ass off for years and meet the right people. 10% of all aviation (flight) majors make it into the cockpit of a major airline. What are those other 90% entitled to? Nothing. They are entitled to nothing but the debt they put their name on.[/QUOTE]
Then the government shouldn't be funneling everyone into degrees, it's clearly bad and has made the job market worse, give people alternatives.
That and give people a way to get jobs that doesn't involve parental connections like it does at the moment.
[editline]15th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48911410]Over the years I've heard it expand from 'Graduate high school at least or you'll work McDonalds' to 'Graduate college and you'll get to work your dream job and fulfill your dreams!' to 'Graduate college and you'll have a better chance at a good job' to 'Graduate college at least or you'll work McDonalds' and now it's 'Graduate college in the STEM field at least so you have a chance at not working McDonald's if you network and get lucky'
thing is that whatever the current rules are nothing sounds sustainable at all to me and that's the news I'm getting out of this, from everything I'm hearing a degree is very quickly starting to mean nothing, we expect too much experience and education out of a person to run a fucking dishwasher and by getting everyone a college degree, the college degree is quickly becoming worthless and the job fields we've specialized in simply can't support us all, and no amount of surviving at the moment advice like networking is going to stop everything from reaching a point of maximum fucked up
but hey, that's just my perspective, I could be wrong, I'm not a college graduate after all[/QUOTE]
It's more like "graduate from college in physics and might be allowed to work at mcdonalds if you network and get lucky"
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It's more like "graduate from college in physics and might be allowed to work at mcdonalds if you network and get lucky"[/QUOTE]
I'm curious where this is going to be going if it keeps up. I mean I often hear that people put in multiple applications every single day and go months without getting a job if they even get one. How are people supposed to live on their own if they can't get a job for several months? Are we going to start witnessing the 21st Century Great American Move Back in With Your Parents? It'll become an issue for the older folks then too, that's for sure :v:
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48911539]I'm curious where this is going to be going if it keeps up. I mean I often hear that people put in multiple applications every single day and go months without getting a job if they even get one. How are people supposed to live on their own if they can't get a job for several months? Are we going to start witnessing the 21st Century Great American Move Back in With Your Parents? It'll become an issue for the older folks then too, that's for sure :v:[/QUOTE]
I have a friend who couldn't even get accepted to do free voluntary work because they wanted fucking experience despite him having good grades and being in the middle of doing a degree. The job market is literally so bad you can't even work for free without like 5 years of experience.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;48911552]I have a friend who couldn't even get accepted to do free voluntary work because they wanted fucking experience despite him having good grades and being in the middle of doing a degree. The job market is literally so bad you can't even work for free without like 5 years of experience.[/QUOTE]
Well, with the college I can't afford that I'll require and the super exclusive unpaid internships that I'll have to pursue for years, I look forward to getting my first real job at McDonalds when I'm 30
The only way to get jobs any more is experience and social connections
That's why I didn't go to college. Instead I decided to go to school and get a fully endorsed CDL Class A. I live in Chicago so it's a major hub in the transportation industry and right now there's a severe lack of drivers, so much so that the usual union companies who require 3 years of driving experience have started recruiting straight out of schools. It's not a job for everyone but it provides a solid wage to live on depending on where you work.
School is great but anything can happen in 4-6 years. People are just finishing up degrees that were in demand a couple of years ago but are now filled to capacity. I'd rather just get my CDL in 6 weeks and dive in to an industry that can actually provide you with a good standard of living. Can't outsource trucking either.
[QUOTE=GURREN LAGANN;48911580]The only way to get jobs any more is experience and social connections[/QUOTE]
Pretty much, which is why we need a welfare system more than ever now, but of course idiots refuse that idea.
I guess I'll just have to wait until eventually the tories start rounding up the unemployed and using them to make soylent green
[QUOTE=kweh;48909109]Reminds me of "need young candidate with over 12 years of experience"
How the fuck lol
also reminds me of my interviews for the local tech stores, which I sincerely have no idea of what the fuck they want out of a person.
What I do know is that both my friends who have been fired from a couple of those tech stores (one of which is Stapples, the other is national so, even worse) all said that its downright awful to work there. But these days, where isn't it awful?...[/QUOTE]
Staples EasyTech isnt really tech repair anymore when it comes to actual instore employees, its mostly sales and plugging to be repaired computers to a remote technician. If you sign up there to get IT experience, youll be significantly disappointed.
[QUOTE=GURREN LAGANN;48911580]The only way to get jobs any more is experience and social connections[/QUOTE]
...which I don't have because I've never had a job before, so no entry level job. So I apparently need some sort of unpaid internship, but if I need one and I'm not particularly unique in not having experience yet at my age group, then, so does everyone else my age. So those are going to dry up real fucking quick if they haven't already. So...now what?
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