USA: 6 Million More Students With Bachelor’s Degrees Than Jobs Available for Them: One-third of thos
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[QUOTE=carcarcargo;48919751]Makes me laugh every time I see it[/QUOTE]
You did win the lottery by being born in a western country.
[QUOTE=OvB;48919806]You did win the lottery by being born in a western country.[/QUOTE]
Lol there's people in America who are worse off than some people in third world countries. You only won the lottery if you were born into a middle class part of America.
Also this
10. I believe that I am a product of my choices – not my circumstances. I will never blame anyone for my shortcomings or the challenges I face. And I will never accept the credit for something I didn’t do.
and this
11. I understand the world is not fair, and I’m OK with that. I do not resent the success of others.
Contradict each other, that man is a fucking moron
Edit:
He's also anti unions as well, as if it wasn't clear enough already that he seems to hate the idea of workers rights.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;48919814]Lol there's people in America who are worse off than some people in third world countries. You only won the lottery if you were born into a middle class part of America.
Also this
10. I believe that I am a product of my choices – not my circumstances. I will never blame anyone for my shortcomings or the challenges I face. And I will never accept the credit for something I didn’t do.
and this
11. I understand the world is not fair, and I’m OK with that. I do not resent the success of others.
Contradict each other, that man is a fucking moron
Edit:
He's also anti unions as well, as if it wasn't clear enough already that he seems to hate the idea of workers rights.[/QUOTE]
How entitled are you in the UK honestly. You sound like you're whining that things aren't handed to you
[QUOTE=Code3Response;48920016]How entitled are you in the UK honestly. You sound like you're whining that things are handed to you[/QUOTE]
Yeah how dare people not want to be treated like a slave and made to work ridiculous hours for shitty pay as well as being treated like crap by their employer, the fucking entitlement I tell you.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;48920025]Yeah how dare people not want to be treated like a slave and made to work ridiculous hours for shitty pay as well as being treated like crap by their employer, the fucking entitlement I tell you.[/QUOTE]
Tbh I don't see anything wrong with either quote you posted. I might change the phrase to "putting total blame" on anyone else though.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;48919814]Lol there's people in America who are worse off than some people in third world countries. You only won the lottery if you were born into a middle class part of America.
Also this
10. I believe that I am a product of my choices – not my circumstances. I will never blame anyone for my shortcomings or the challenges I face. And I will never accept the credit for something I didn’t do.
and this
11. I understand the world is not fair, and I’m OK with that. I do not resent the success of others.
Contradict each other, that man is a fucking moron
Edit:
He's also anti unions as well, as if it wasn't clear enough already that he seems to hate the idea of workers rights.[/QUOTE]
It's a pledge, not a list of commandments. If you're situation is so bad (disabled, etc) then you obviously shouldn't sign the pledge. I wanted to join the USAF for most of my childhood. I am unable to pledge allegiance to the USAF due to my circumstances. The USAF is not an asshole because of my situation. Life isn't fair. Those two do not contradict each other.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48920130]Tbh I don't see anything wrong with either quote you posted. I might change the phrase to "putting total blame" on anyone else though.[/QUOTE]
The two quotes contradict, on the one had he's saying people are the product of their choices, and then on the other says the world isn't fair, which would imply things are out of their control.
Also if you don't acknowledge that people born in a western nation have it better off than a child born in a war torn, famine ridden, disease ridden, 3rd world nation where clean water isn't available, you're born with AIDs, and food is not available, you're an asshole. Not even America, I mean all modern western nations.
If you honestly believe that being born in the west isn't a fucking incredible leg-up, you're ignorant of what a good majority of the world faces on a daily basis.
[QUOTE=AJ10017;48909857]You got a philosophy degree and you are surprised that you don't have a job in that field? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I would think a degree like philosophy would require you to be an author, media personality, or something of the sort, where you're basically your own boss. It's not like someone's going to hire you to philosophize about shit.
It's like engineering, you basically need to apply your education to MAKE something that somebody would want. You can't expect someone to hire you to put their circuit boards together, especially not with the availability of even low-end pick-and-place assemblers (so even small businesses would have no need for employees, they have their own miniature assembly lines). Eventually, to hire anybody to do anything would be philanthropic.
[QUOTE=OvB;48920165]Also if you don't acknowledge that people born in a western nation have it better off than a child born in a war torn, famine ridden, disease ridden, 3rd world nation where clean water isn't available, you're born with AIDs, and food is not available, you're an asshole. Not even America, I mean all modern western nations.
If you honestly believe that being born in the west isn't a fucking incredible leg-up, you're ignorant of what a good majority of the world faces on a daily basis.[/QUOTE]
Well yes it's better than war torn shit holes congratulations, but most of the world is not made up of war torn shit holes, so being better than those does not mean much. For a western nation the US is a fucking disaster, particularly for a country that acts as a world leader. It has areas that honestly are almost as bad as you average war torn shit holes, filled with crime and violence (which is of course largely caused by the income inequality).
Like I said, it's only great if you're born into a certain section of it's society.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;48920201]It has areas that honestly are almost as bad as you average war torn shit holes[/QUOTE]
If you actually believe this then there's really nothing else that can be said. You're missing the point of the pledge entirely.
[QUOTE=OvB;48920233]If you actually believe this then there's really nothing else that can be said. You're missing the point of the pledge entirely.[/QUOTE]
Oh I know the point of the pledge, it's a horrible libertarian thing, the sort of thing people who want to get rid of the minimum wage support because they want workers who'll work for pennies and never complain. Of course the people who support these sorts of things are always rich or middle class assholes like Rowe who don't actually have to live in those sorts of conditions.
Rowe just loses me with the "Never complain" and "Always go way out of your way for your employer"
1) Rowe complained a fuck ton during Dirty Jobs. He may have enjoyed that job, but he still complained quite often.
2) Complaining isn't a bad thing. There are worthwhile complaints. You cannot say "Never complain" and also have "Some complaints are valid". That's a contradiction. And I'm sure you could get Mike Rowe or most people to go "well there's some complaints that are valid sure" so I just don't see how that works.
3) I've been proactive for 2 companies before I quit to find work elsewhere. I did more things than I had to and I tried to be humble about it. Some dick bag took credit for it and I went to the manager quietly to say "No I did that, I didn't want to make a scene about it but hey, just letting you know i did those tasks" and he said "Why would you lie about that?" and just told me to go. And he's not the only manager of that type I've met in my work life.
I just don't like the idea that I don't work hard enough when I've worked as a temp for 2 years doing all sorts of shit jobs for shitty people(Never work for stage lighting for 70 year old men who think asking for a harness is "being a pussy"), and I've worked all sorts of jobs as an actual employee. Hard work itself doesn't get you a promotion. Being visible, super social, being a really upbeat person does, even being slimy does, but hard work? It can, but it doesn't by nature.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;48920201]Well yes it's better than war torn shit holes congratulations, but most of the world is not made up of war torn shit holes, so being better than those does not mean much. For a western nation the US is a fucking disaster, particularly for a country that acts as a world leader. It has areas that honestly are almost as bad as you average war torn shit holes, filled with crime and violence (which is of course largely caused by the income inequality).
Like I said, it's only great if you're born into a certain section of it's society.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever been to the US? I can assure you its further from disaster than the UK is.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;48920328]Have you ever been to the US? I can assure you its further from disaster than the UK is.[/QUOTE]
The UK is a disaster because we followed the US model. I never said the UK wasn't shit, but we're shit for mostly the same reasons as the US
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I just don't like the idea that I don't work hard enough when I've worked as a temp for 2 years doing all sorts of shit jobs for shitty people(Never work for stage lighting for 70 year old men who think asking for a harness is "being a pussy"), and I've worked all sorts of jobs as an actual employee. Hard work itself doesn't get you a promotion. Being visible, super social, being a really upbeat person does, even being slimy does, but hard work? It can, but it doesn't by nature.[/QUOTE]
That's just an irresponsible employer. Rowe wouldn't advocate blatant disregard for safety. He just approaches it from a different angle. "Safety 3rd", as in the company doesn't [I]really[/I] put your safety 1st, so "safety first" slogans are disingenuous. The company only really cares about it's bottom line, and how a workplace injury would affect that. Therefore you have to be in control of your own safety. If that means asking for more harness or hard hats or whatever then so-be-it. You're following the pledge by asking. Your employer is not.
[editline]16th October 2015[/editline]
Companies don't really put safety first, because all work involves a degree of risk. If safety was their 1st concern, they would value you not risking the climb (harness or no) over the operation of the lighting rigs. (and we would all live in bubbles)
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Companies don't really put safety first, because all work involves a degree of risk. If safety was their 1st concern, they would value you not risking the climb (harness or no) over the operation of the lighting rigs. (and we would all live in bubbles)[/QUOTE]
I think a harness is like basic safety that should be provided to people doing those jobs. It's just a typical employer who views their workers as little robots that they can dispose of whenever and get a new one in. The fact that employers think like this is exactly why Mike is wrong and why people shouldn't just accept the way employers treat them. Those ideals have no benefit to the average worker, they're entirely in the favour of the employer.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;48920426]I think a harness is like basic safety that should be provided to people doing those jobs. It's just a typical employer who views their workers as little robots that they can dispose of whenever and get a new one it. The fact that employers think like this is exactly why Mike is wrong and why people shouldn't just accept the way employers treat them. Those ideals have no benefit to the average worker, they're entirely in the favour of the employer.[/QUOTE]
The employeer [I]should[/I] supply those things. That's [I]Entirely[/I] Mikes point.
[quote]1. “Safety First” discourages personal responsibility. Is it reasonable to assume that someone would hire you to work in a hazardous environment, and then tell you that nothing is more important to them than your personal safety? Of course not. Difficult and dangerous jobs are accomplished by people who are willing to assume risk – and the assumption of that Risk must come before anything else. Lawyers and insurance adjusters and government agencies have altered that simple equation by perpetuating the belief that your employer might actually care about your safety more than you. That’s dangerous, in my opinion, (even if it’s sometimes true.)[B] Mitigating risk makes good financial sense, in the same way that wearing a harness at 600 feet makes good common sense.[/B] But telling an employee that his Safety comes before everything else sends a mixed and somewhat suspicious message. The fact is, companies don’t go out of business when people get hurt. (Well, rarely.) They go out of business when they run out of money. (Bailouts not withstanding.) Wouldn’t it be more honest, (and possibly more effective,) for a boss to say to an employee, [B]“Look Joe, this is a business, and if you get hurt on the job, our insurance premiums will go through the roof. Productivity will suffer. OSHA will fine us or maybe shut us down. Our profit and your personal safety happen to be tied together, but don’t be confused by that coincidence. Our motivation is profit. Your motivation is a paycheck. We’re not your parents and you’re not a child. Let’s be clear about why we’re each here, and let’s not mess that up with a careless and stupid injury.”[/B][/quote]
[url]http://profoundlydisconnected.com/off-the-wall-safety-third-conversation-continues/[/url]
The fact that his employer called him a pussy for wanting a harness is contradictory to the whole philosophy.
You act like he's a 1910 era Mill boss locking his employees in a burning building so they don't skip out work.
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You act like he's a 1910 era Mill boss locking his employees in a burning building so they don't skip out work.[/QUOTE]
With people like Mike spouting his dumb philosophy of "you should be willing to do anything to please your employer" we probably will be seeing the return of this mentality. Work hours are already ridiculous and causing health (and productivity for that matter although your average employer isn't smart enough to realise this) problems, it's only a matter of steps.
The fact that he's against unions is just fucking absurd as well, we'd still be in fucking workhouses without those.
The closest thing I can find about Mike being against Unions is this:
[quote]The role of unions, and their relevance, has changed over the years. Personally, I’m of the mind that certain industries still justify their existence, while other do not.[/quote]
[url]http://mikerowe.com/2009/06/united-we-stand-are-unions-still-relevant-today/[/url]
[QUOTE=OvB;48920557]The closest thing I can find about Mike being against Unions is this:
[url]http://mikerowe.com/2009/06/united-we-stand-are-unions-still-relevant-today/[/url][/QUOTE]
Lol what a retard
" If acceptable terms cannot be reached, my first inclination is not to unionize or strike, but to simply seek out another industry."
Yeah except that's very often not an option, hence why unions exist.
He seems like another delusional rich person thinks the free market will solve everything.
[QUOTE=OvB;48920454]The employeer [I]should[/I] supply those things. That's [I]Entirely[/I] Mikes point.
[url]http://profoundlydisconnected.com/off-the-wall-safety-third-conversation-continues/[/url]
The fact that his employer called him a pussy for wanting a harness is contradictory to the whole philosophy.
You act like he's a 1910 era Mill boss locking his employees in a burning building so they don't skip out work.[/QUOTE]
In my experience working at heights, which isn't considerable, but is a lot more than the average joe(I've been a rig monkey for film shoots, meaning i'm a guy in a boom lift a hundred feet in the air with a light hanging beneath me, done stage shows, and done some roof work along those lines too), I've been given harnesses, but as you have to be trained to actually use a harness by a Fall Safety Training team and get a certification on another day, I had already done that, and learned how to check harnesses.
The harness I was given on two out of 10 occasions were not good. They would be considered unsafe by a inspector, which is what we're all taught to be as thorough as when we put our lives at risk. I brought that up. "Not something we can deal with today, you gotta go up there, or we're going to call dispatch and get a new guy who will and you gotta go home sonny". I went home.
I since spent 200$ out of pocket to own my own because no, I don't believe you can trust anyone, your life is ultimately in your own hands.
I don't expect my safety to be first, that's my job, but there's an old world attitude alive and well in a lot of middle aged people and even young people who've absorbed their crap.
Honestly, i've considered being a safety officer for my locality just because I honestly don't think we as a society care enough about it. It's not about being in a bubble. You've got work at 60 feet? Great, there are a lot of ways to that safely, and affordably. Don't cut corners and it's a safe job. There's risk, but it's not undue risk when it's been prepared for. I believe your assertion of bubbles is a little silly on that front.
I should note I meant act as [I]Mike[/I], is a 1910's mill Boss. You did the right thing by walking out. Surely there's a place you could issue a safety complaint for that place.
[QUOTE=OvB;48920664]I should note I meant act as [I]Mike[/I], is a 1910's mill Boss. You did the right thing by walking out. Surely there's a place you could issue a safety complaint for that place.[/QUOTE]
oh yeah, but then they'd know it was me and I'd never work again.
I should have done that but from the stories I hear from people I worked with over the years, those guys have been around forever. And they've never changed. It's really just in the last year that two guys in this region who were relatively infamous in the circle for their nutty behavior were forced to stop doing that and they weren't even shut down by safety officials
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48915324]Mhmm, the sweeping national economic studies into the increasing costs and necessities of progressively less valuable higher education are bunk. The TRUTH is just that lazy kids these days don't want to work. Bill Maher and Mike Rowe said it, so...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that video bothers me too
I always find it funny when "work smart not hard" is bashed because all of the most successful people on earth are smart, efficient workers who know exactly what they need to do to accomplish their goals and make sure the work they do has the most impact that it possibly can.
Brute force work only finds success if you are doing a completely blue collar line of work with no ambition, or you are very lucky. The idea that the american dream and massive economic boom was built on the back of hard working american ideals is so laughably incorrect it isn't even funny.
The real kicker: every single person I've heard that complains about working smart comes from the generation of people that (wrongly) perceived the golden years of US history to be a generation of "hard workers", and also the people who believe this were the people who in coincidentally [I]actually responsible for fucking over the US economy[/I] and putting the country in a spot that the millennial generation has to deal with.
I'm willing to bet with the internet, startup culture, constant innovations, etc that millennial generation is much more successful and determined to succeed than their generations ever were as a whole. How many new millionaires under 30 years of age popped up during those times?
This argument they have also completely missed the point of working smart, not hard. The phrase refers to what you should focus on, not mutual exclusives. If you have one person who's a hard worker and focuses his entire work ethic on working hard, I guarantee a similar person in similar circumstances would be far more successful in his life if he was a smart worker who focused on how to most efficiently realize his dreams/work ethic/etc. Working smart means you are making sure the work you do, the stuff you do, is as efficient as possible to achieve the best results possible. It requires knowing why you do the thing you do. It requires knowing how to make it better, how to innovate on your process. It requires quite a bit of hard work. That's the thing - smart work often involves lots of hard work. The difference is, a smart worker cares about making sure his work has real impact. The hard worker just works hard because being a "hard worker" is a good thing to be, the image and the "production" is more important than what you are actually accomplishing.
Every successful person, organization, generation, idea on this planet that found their own success got there because they came from those who were smart workers. The losers are always those who believe that the secret to success comes from hard work alone. Hard work is only a small part of success in life, and if you focus on that you lose the big picture.
[editline]18th October 2015[/editline]
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[url]http://profoundlydisconnected.com/foundation/[/url]
The poster he was referring to:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/jgvL2I1.jpg[/img]
[editline]16th October 2015[/editline]
I read [url=http://www.southernfriedscience.com/?p=18991]an article[/url] recently about how Universities are supporting their research that attracts the biggest grants and dropping the ones that get less money. University CEO's are having more and more of a business background. [I]University itself[/I] is a business, and there's a physical effort to make blue-collar work undesirable in order to get more university applicants. University is obviously necessary for STEM degrees, but there are a lot more options out there that pay just as well.[/QUOTE]
Okay that poster is really bullshit though lol and paints a completely incorrect picture of what the phrase actually means
[editline]18th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;48920480]With people like Mike spouting his dumb philosophy of "you should be willing to do anything to please your employer" [B]we probably will be seeing the return of this mentality. [/B]Work hours are already ridiculous and causing health (and productivity for that matter although your average employer isn't smart enough to realise this) problems, it's only a matter of steps.
The fact that he's against unions is just fucking absurd as well, we'd still be in fucking workhouses without those.[/QUOTE]
For those that doubt this as happening I've worked with several managers/owners who thought precisely this as to why nobody deserved vacation days, no breaks, poor work/life balance, etc.
It is why I hate the idea of people who get off on just being hard workers without regard to their own lives, what impact the work they are doing actually does, if they are doing it efficiently, if they have a life outside of their jobs, etc. They totally do enable boss exploitation and you are seen as lazy if you think that kind of mentality is fucking dumb.
As my dad always tells me, most of the time a degree doesn't mean you're so good at a particular skill they'll need you, having a degree is just proof you've got commitment and can finish what you need to
[QUOTE=bdd458;48915277]You're the deluded one if you think the internet and libraries are any replacement for an actual education, lmao.
like, employers are looking for well rounded individuals (at least educationally wise), not just someone who can only do math or something like that. They're looking for people who can do a variety of things, and you don't fucking get that by going on the internet and self-teaching, it's insane to think that.[/QUOTE]
yeah i know dude its pretty insane to think that someone can become a well rounded individual solely by utilizing something that contains almost the entire sum knowledge of humanity
Since this thread is still running and I got cut short, I'd like to chip in my two cents, particularly since many have had such kind things to say about humanities students. Since we all now know that I made my degree by writing papers rather than crunching numbers, you'll have to forgive me if this gets a bit long.
First off, comments like this:
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;48909028]Going to sound like an asshole here, but people might need to realize you can't really chase your "dream job" for your work. Now its finding degrees for jobs that are actually available.[/QUOTE]
are ridiculously unhelpful to the point that they are intentionally antagonizing.
I've seen lots of comments to the tune of, "horfdorf mb u should have gone after a STEM degree" or "pft like we need anymore useless philosophy degrees" or my favorite, "if people just [I]worked harder[/I] then there wouldn't be so many unemployed."
I'll address these three points individually.
1) STEM degrees are hardly any better than humanities degrees, depending on where you live. The Computer Science Major/Math Minor/Engineering minor student I roomed with is a park groundskeeper now. He got that job because the guy he worked out with told him they needed employees before they posted the hiring notices.
The Economics/Math minor student I know has been out of work for almost half a year. One engineering student I know got a nice job at the Boeing plant, so points for him, but another dropped out and sits upon a mighty throne made of 50k in debt [I]without any degree to show for it.[/I]
My favorite is the eight-year-plus-change programming student I know who has gone BACK to school while also working full time for a bank in order to delay his enormous student debt from triggering on him.
2) Believe it or not, Law was in the same position the blessed IT and Tech employees of now are. That was only six or so years ago. It was promoted and lauded as a recession proof profession that was always smart money. A good long term investment for hard workers. So naturally I did everything you should do to whole-heartedly invest in one's major. I took pre-law courses, studied legal theory, took a course in formal logic.
Then every law school in America hiked it's rates to the point of stone bleeding (it happened a little earlier but no one was really talking about it too [I]loudly[/I].) 120k is the number I see thrown around for a lot of minor schools, and the rate only goes up when you go to schools that won't actually [I]hurt[/I] your professional reputation. One school near me misled students about their employability so badly that they were found culpable in a multi-million dollar case of fraud. (They had dummy businesses hire-then-fire graduating students to amp their employment numbers.)
Oh, and now there's a surplus of lawyers because of all that career path optimism. Lots of 20-something young professionals who've passed their state Bar exam and have more than a hundred thousand dollars in debt and [I]nothing to show for it.[/I] One woman I know has 200k in debt and works in a document review mill for about 14$ an hour on projects that end and begin without advanced notice. She went back to school part-time in order to delay the payment period on her debt.
You can see why, when the Law market exploded beneath my feet, I did not continue studying Pre-Law, and just took the philosophy degree that I had already put two-and-a-half years in to. I tried diversifying and ultimately ended up only finding any success in the equally useless land of writing things.
Ah, which brings me to 3. I'll answer it with a personal story.
I was so 'upset' because I did not pursue law as my 'dream job.' My dream job is actually what I'm working on now, Journalism. (I'm a sucker for doomed professions, I guess.)
I pursued law because it was a safe career path that, in spite of a high entry cost and demanding hours, would have kept me above water in what I can only describe as a financial cluster fuck. (Two thirds of my family were unemployed in 2009. I was told explicitly, "it would be a shame if you got accepted to a college we couldn't afford." I stayed in state and went to a public institution which still bled me dry.)
I worked hard and sacrificed for my pithy 'humanities' degree. I spent so little on food that at one point two separate doctors told me that if I didn't eat more I would suffered permanent medical conditions for the rest of my life. I lived in a dorm without heat through some of 'the worst winters the state has ever seen.' The fun kicker was putting off a surgery it turns out I [I]desperately[/I] needed for five years on the balance that I couldn't afford it AND school. Which I couldn't.
The only reason I have any financial security now is because I inherited a few thousand dollars from a dying relative (who I helped care for and look after.) It's nowhere near enough to put a dent in my student debt, but it keeps bread on the table as the saying goes.
My point is that of that six million unemployed diploma holders, I would argue that not even a significant fraction of them lived in bohemian rhapsodies during their college life. The hazy image we have of humanities students jerking off on to pages for A+'s and pats on the back is not only insulting, it's [I]blatantly wrong.[/I] One semester I wrote a cumulative hundred pages of Supreme court case reviews in a month for three separate classes. My roommate tinkered with a program that animated snowflakes on a digital greeting card.
And humanities are entirely as employable as STEM students. (or used to be before degree inflation spat out [I]too many degree holders in response to unreasonable certification standards by employers, which is the entire point of this thread's article.[/I])
Corporate management tracks, clerks and administrators, the useful but boring white collars that make the world go forward, were all the 'out' paths of the humanities student before those career paths ossified with thick veins of grey people holding on until retirement.
My mother actually was part of the same pre-law program at the same university about fourtyish years ago. She payed about a fifth of what I paid for her entire education. My aunt, who graduated the same university, studied Urban Studies and went on to become the regional manager of a very well respected US charity. My father worked construction to pay for his accounting degree, and my uncle worked summers in a carwash then paid his entire semester's tuition in one go. I took on student debt after two years of starving to death.
These place still do hire humanities students even. I got two replies back from logistics companies I replied to, but ultimately lost the job(s) to more specialized candidates. Oh well. Those have been the only solid leads I've had in four months. That wouldn't require me to move to another city, which I can't really afford.
The bottom line is that the problem is not [I]with[/I] Millenials, or [I]with[/I] Humanities students, or even with [I]Smarter Workers.[/I] The problem is huge and complex and simple platitudes like, "work harder," or "should have chosen better like me, lol" are not only scathingly ignorant, they also perpetuate the problem.
Hell, the current point of discussion here, where comments like "sweat debt" need to be nuanced in order to somehow be more respectable than "you are a plaything which your boss owns" should illustrate that perfectly.
There's a lot more I could say. Like the fact that the most economically successful people I know are a distant branch of my family who have essentially monopolized construction work in their area. What's the "fix it" model for that? I have to marry a second-cousin to get a job as a line surveyor?
I could talk about how it's not just millenials who are "lazy." Both of my grandfathers were Union officers at one time or another. One called lazy, shiftless workers that he wished he could fire "blowhards." The other called them "parasites." Both got to their positions [I]without ever having spent a dime on their education.[/I] Where's that opportunity for me? Nowhere? Okay, I'll find my own path then.
The overarching issue is that people are doing work, more work that is, and [I]paying to do it,[/I] and getting no payback. In fact they get told that they need to work harder.
Tell me when I should stop expecting my hard work to pay off so that I can lay down and die. It's the only way I've heard of that you can escape a federal debt.
Got a philosophy degree and you are surprised that you don't have a job in that field?
Except it. The world fucked you over.
[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;48912843]When I was applying for an internship, there were companies that required years of experience to apply.
I thought the point of internships was to gain experience wtf.[/QUOTE]requiring experience to intern sounds like the most bull shit thing ever that's terrible
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