• US Fast-Food Workers Unite In Protest
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[QUOTE=Gatsby;43084118]These are the people who willingly choose dead end jobs and suddenly gets mad when they realized dead end jobs are actually dead end.[/QUOTE] You'd have to be hard-pressed to find anyone who willingly accepted a fast-food industry job. It may require less than an high school education, but it's not easy by any means - you're working in a very stressful environment and you have to be consistent and robotic. Not everyone can pull this off.
[QUOTE=Aman;43084111]so therefore just tack some numbers onto the minimum wage and that fixes all problems. Cause economics is that easy right?[/QUOTE] "It doesn't fix everything, so let's do nothing." This is a consumer driven economy, if people aren't making a decent wage and can't buy anything, the economy suffers. Corporations hoarding obscene profits on the backs of said workers does not stimulate the economy. It's very simple.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43083979]Use condoms, or get an abortion in the first place. Children are literally a huge expenditure of money. I cannot for the life of me understand why people would have a child on a minimum wage job. I admire her for atleast trying to toughen up through it, but people need to pull themselves aside and realize, "I work a minimum wage job, one that barley pays my car insurance, cellphone, and other items I use daily... How the hell will I pay for a child?"[/QUOTE] Sometimes it just doesn't work like that, man. I'm pro-choice, but I feel incredible respect for people that take on the task of raising a child despite the odds, dumb decision or no. At least she's not one of the people who have kids and don't care enough to try.
You bourgeois would never understand the burgerois' fight for fair wage
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;43084115]Paying a few extra dollars for a hamburger is worth it if it means that the employees get more of a decent living.[/QUOTE] You don't understand economics, do you? I wont go through the grubby details, but increasing minimum wage by too far of an amount does literally nothing but cause inflation over time, therefore ending with the minimum wage workers in the same place as before, except less of them will be employed.
[QUOTE=Gatsby;43084159]How about other people who actually have to work hard and have more important jobs? Shouldnt we raise their pay instead of some fast food workers?[/QUOTE] Boy you sure do hate people less educated or skilled than you Why don't they just go to school? I mean, universities aren't expensive or anything Why don't they get a job? I mean jobs are everywhere, the US obviously has full employment and you can lift a rock and find jobs willing to hire unskilled labor that can't afford a proper education And working fast food doesn't immediately mean people don't work hard, what kind of stupid assumption is that, have you worked a lunch rush, or a holiday rush, or any kind of actual fast food job? Just because it doesn't require advanced education doesn't mean it's just immediately super easy to get up every morning and do.
I don't see why so many people think raising the minimum wage from $7.25 or whatever it is there (which is pathetically low) would cause economic ruin there are countries out there that manage to have wages much closer to living wages in addition to really expansive social programs without being broke and totally falling apart for all this talk about how poor people should pull themselves up by their bootstraps I have to wonder why america as a whole can't pull itself up by its bootstraps and fix its shit
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;43084143]I really like what Areolop mentioned about making sure that you have a plan. Knowing what you want to do is a pretty big part of education/getting a job. Planning for your education and making sure that you do everything you can to further it as well as making sure that you keep actively looking for opportunities to advance through the work force.[/QUOTE] Working to work is stupid. Always work for a higher goal. If you say that you wanna make $100,000 doing something you like then you know damn well you dont want to work at McDonalds for an extended period of time. You wanna find a new job thats closer to what you want to do, and pays a little more. I know where I want to be so I got out of my minimum wage paying job and into one that is closer to my goal.. and got a raise out of it. Climb the corporate ladder. You should never be happy at where your at now if you know you have room to climb.
yeah man fuck me for daring to work in fast food to try and pay my way thru college i certainly dont derserve a living wage maybe living paycheck to paycheck will teach me some personal responsibilty and get me to lift myself up by the bootstraps
[QUOTE=areolop;43084237]You should never be happy at where your at now if you know you have room to climb.[/QUOTE] What a god-awful sentiment to have. There are very few people at the top. That's why it's the top. What you're telling people to do is to [i]never[/i] be satisfied with themselves.
[QUOTE=Levithan;43084052]"Just get a better paying job you worthless sacks of shit!" [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXnifPfxK0Q[/media][/QUOTE] Literally every thread about minimum wage jobs has this clip in it. I love it.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43083979]Use condoms, or get an abortion in the first place. Children are literally a huge expenditure of money. I cannot for the life of me understand why people would have a child on a minimum wage job. I admire her for atleast trying to toughen up through it, but people need to pull themselves aside and realize, "I work a minimum wage job, one that barley pays my car insurance, cellphone, and other items I use daily... How the hell will I pay for a child?"[/QUOTE] holy fuck, you are insensitive
[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;43084201]You don't understand economics, do you? I wont go through the grubby details, but increasing minimum wage by too far of an amount does literally nothing but cause inflation over time, therefore ending with the minimum wage workers in the same place as before, except less of them will be employed.[/QUOTE] I don't know anything about economics, sorry for posting
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43084158]holy cow a conservative advocating abortions this is wacky[/QUOTE] Capitalist. I believe everything has a just cause, and just financial standpoint. Legalize or Decriminalize all Drugs, namely because its a waste of everyone's time and money to fight people who want to escape reality for a few hours. Nationalize Healthcare, because the only person who is making money on someone who's in a coffin is the coffinmaker and morgue worker. Every state should have a localized bank, such as the Bank of North Dakota. It provides financial security, and better loaning. We should be investing into green technologies, namely because we could sell our oil reserves to developing nations and therefore experience an economic boom. And everyone has the right to choose what they wish to do with their lives, but ultimately we need to create a safety net to once again ensure the health of the consumer.
The federal minimum wage should be raised slightly. I'm saying this as a conservative. However, raising it to $15 is stupid. Working at a fast food place is hard work and, over all, a shitty job. I used to work at Dairy queen over the summer and my boss was an asshole who would break my balls every time I made the slightest mistake, and I got paid $7.25 an hour. I don't think anyone is advocating that just because the work is unskilled that people deserve shitty pay. I think what people are trying to say is that expecting decent pay for an entry level position is silly. Should we raise it up to accomedate for the higher cost of living? Absolutely. But if everyone could live comfortably from working at mcdonalds, everyone would work there. From an economic stand point, raising the minimum wage doesn't necessarily raise unemployment, but it can if there is a supply side shock (such as sharply increasing the price of labor) that causes the curve to shift, it will throw the market out of equilibrium and that will raise unemployment.
[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;43084164]She had the child [i]before[/i] she got the job. The father could have had abandoned them forcing her to get the job. She could have had a better job but lost it. You don't know. In a lot of cases struggling parents had a plan to support their child, but that plan went to shit. It isn't always "Oh I'll just wing it."[/QUOTE] That actually makes a little more sense now. Sorry about the off-tone comment. I figure it was like some of my family members who had children at an early age when they didn't even have jobs yet, namely because, "I want a child, and my family will support me!"
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43084282]What a god-awful sentiment to have. There are very few people at the top. That's why it's the top. What you're telling people to do is to [I]never[/I] be satisfied with themselves.[/QUOTE] How do you think people usually get to the top? And no, he's saying if people aren't satisfied, then have a plan with what you want to do to eventually get out of it. Not doing anything about it because it's difficult sure as hell offers no promises or chance.
[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;43084201]You don't understand economics, do you? I wont go through the grubby details, but increasing minimum wage by too far of an amount does literally nothing but cause inflation over time, therefore ending with the minimum wage workers in the same place as before, except less of them will be employed.[/QUOTE] Excuse my economics here, its been a few years. I only showed the labor market due to time [img]http://i.imgur.com/K4qSEHl.png[/img]
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43083979]Use condoms, or get an abortion in the first place. Children are literally a huge expenditure of money. I cannot for the life of me understand why people would have a child on a minimum wage job. I admire her for atleast trying to toughen up through it, but people need to pull themselves aside and realize, "I work a minimum wage job, one that barley pays my car insurance, cellphone, and other items I use daily... How the hell will I pay for a child?"[/QUOTE] Haha yeah I mean if you are going to have a system which forces people into an economic underclass you might as well make them feel guilty for doing normal human things because fuck them ???
People who think you can "work your way to the top" and people who say McDick's workers deserve shit wages because it's a menial job and you should be "trying harder to find something else" are very very naive about how this country works.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43084430]People who think you can "work your way to the top" and people who say McDick's workers deserve shit wages because it's a menial job and you should be "trying harder to find something else" are very very naive about how this country works.[/QUOTE] That's REALLY stupid considering that I could go right now, take a cheap class (they even offer them at night!) to become a certified welder, and EASILY get a job making anywhere from $18-$30/hour. The opportunities are out there. TRADES are actually better than a lot of college diplomas now due to more people going to college than before....
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;43084421]Haha yeah I mean if you are going to have a system which forces people into an economic underclass you might as well make them feel guilty for doing normal human things because fuck them ???[/QUOTE] Its not making them feel guilty, its called common sense. Don't burden yourself with a load you can't take, take the route of least resistance, and then have a child when you have a relatively stable platform.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43084477]Its not making them feel guilty, its called common sense. Don't burden yourself with a load you can't take, take the route of least resistance, and then have a child when you have a relatively stable platform.[/QUOTE] I couldn't help but laugh at "load you can't take". Just seems appropriate for the message....
[QUOTE=Bentham;43084213]Boy you sure do hate people less educated or skilled than you Why don't they just go to school? I mean, universities aren't expensive or anything Why don't they get a job? I mean jobs are everywhere, the US obviously has full employment and you can lift a rock and find jobs willing to hire unskilled labor that can't afford a proper education And working fast food doesn't immediately mean people don't work hard, what kind of stupid assumption is that, have you worked a lunch rush, or a holiday rush, or any kind of actual fast food job? Just because it doesn't require advanced education doesn't mean it's just immediately super easy to get up every morning and do.[/QUOTE] Lol less educated and skilled? Its funny how you assume im some middle class adult that dont how hard they have to work. Ive worked in 3 different fastfood joints, including mcdonalds for 3 years. Its fucking easy work. Even on the busiest days. The food is already made for you, you just put a god damn bun on top of a burger then wrap it and put it in a bag, cashier? Oh wait all the math is done for you. All you have to do is count money. If you think fast food is hard work then you will die when you get into a serious career. Nowadays I have to shovel heavy ass gravel for lawnwork all day. Now thats actually psychically demanding job. And that is only the basic shit. Im trying to get into community college to study criminal justice and later enroll into police academy. But oh no instead of trying to improve myself and search for better opportunities maybe I should do what these guys are doing and stick to a shit job forever and cry and whine for things to get handed to me by the expense of everybody else. Even if I was stuck working fastfood gigs to feed myself again I wouldnt be protesting for such a high pay increase. I'll be happy/lucky if it increased by a dollar. Mostly due to the fact I am not some entitled idiot and I actually take responsibility for my life choices. Just my two cents.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43084477]Its not making them feel guilty, its called common sense. Don't burden yourself with a load you can't take, take the route of least resistance, and then have a child when you have a relatively stable platform.[/QUOTE] So, people who are continuously poor shouldn't have children and if they do they're obviously going to be scum-sucking welfare queens. [editline]6th December 2013[/editline] Gosh who will fill out the ranks of the lower-classes if only the rich can morally breed?
Idk why supporting women with kids by giving them extra money is necessarily a bad thing. If you have a society which basically says "Don't have kids, do more important things" and it refuses to help parents raise kids, that society is going to run into massive problems about 20 to 30 years down the line.
[QUOTE=Gatsby;43084535]But oh no instead of trying to improve myself and search for better opportunities maybe I should do what these guys are doing and stick to a shit job forever and cry and whine for things to get handed to me by the expense of everybody else. Even if I was stuck working fastfood gigs to feed myself again I wouldnt be protesting for such a high pay increase. I'll be happy/lucky if it increased by a dollar. Mostly due to the fact I am not some entitled idiot and I actually take responsibility for my life choices. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE] Wanting a wage that will help keep you from living in poverty is acting entitled? Life choices? You think people "choose" to work dead-end jobs and live below the poverty line?
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;43084552]So, people who are continuously poor shouldn't have children and if they do they're obviously going to be scum-sucking welfare queens. [editline]6th December 2013[/editline] Gosh who will fill out the ranks of the lower-classes if only the rich can morally breed?[/QUOTE] Look at my first post on the front page where I mentioned, "I admire her for what she is doing" she takes a situation which was dealt to her, and deals with it. That's alright. I don't understand people who live stable lives, and are going to school, and suddenly say, "Fuck that!" and toss it all out the window because of some odd concept of having children at an early age, and not preventing it at all routes possible. The lady in the article is actually doing something, and I even said later on that I was sorry for my post regarding it. As a polar-opposite to this lady, you also have people who have options at the start to do something, and prevent things which could potentially shoot them in the foot. They don't do something about it, and then wonder how the hell they got into such a bad situation. That is what confuses me. If you have a kid, and you are doing everything you can, but thats not enough. Be my guest, you paved your way and did your best, get something to aid you and your kin, and use that to supplement while you look for better alternatives. [editline]5th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;43084605]Idk why supporting women with kids by giving them extra money is necessarily a bad thing. If you have a society which basically says "Don't have kids, do more important things" and it refuses to help parents raise kids, that society is going to run into massive problems about 20 to 30 years down the line.[/QUOTE] Sorta like Japan? :v:
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43084605]Idk why supporting women with kids by giving them extra money is necessarily a bad thing. If you have a society which basically says "Don't have kids, do more important things" and it refuses to help parents raise kids, that society is going to run into massive problems about 20 to 30 years down the line.[/QUOTE] Supporting moms with kids isn't a bad thing. That's not the point. The point is that kids cost money, bottom line. It may sound insensitive, but it's the truth. So what kind of immoral human being do you have to be to bring a child into this world, which YOU are responsible for, when you don't even have a stable enough life (income, housing, necessities, etc...) for yourself? If you are already barely supporting yourself, why bring another human being into this world to make it twice as hard on you, and exponentially harder on the kid?
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43084637]Wanting a wage that will help keep you from living in poverty is acting entitled? Life choices? You think people "choose" to work dead-end jobs and live below the poverty line?[/QUOTE] There is a difference between asking for a reasonable pay increase and than asking for some big shit that ends up making it harder for everyone.
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