• US Fast-Food Workers Unite In Protest
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[QUOTE=Gatsby;43084535]Lol less educated and skilled? Its funny how you assume im some middle class adult that dont how hard they have to work. Ive worked in 3 different fastfood joints, including mcdonalds for 3 years. Its fucking easy work. Even on the busiest days. The food is already made for you, you just put a god damn bun on top of a burger then wrap it and put it in a bag, cashier? Oh wait all the math is done for you. All you have to do is count money. If you think fast food is hard work then you will die when you get into a serious career. Nowadays I have to shovel heavy ass gravel for lawnwork all day. Now thats actually psychically demanding job. And that is only the basic shit. Im trying to get into community college to study criminal justice and later enroll into police academy. But oh no instead of trying to improve myself and search for better opportunities maybe I should do what these guys are doing and stick to a shit job forever and cry and whine for things to get handed to me by the expense of everybody else. Even if I was stuck working fastfood gigs to feed myself again I wouldnt be protesting for such a high pay increase. I'll be happy/lucky if it increased by a dollar. Mostly due to the fact I am not some entitled idiot and I actually take responsibility for my life choices. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE] The adorable thing about this is that its a post fueled by bitterness and emotion with a one-side bias. You're running under the assumption that other people that work shit jobs (not just fastfood) are entitled or unskilled or unmotivated or whiny and simply boast about how you're motivated and have a plan and are getting somewhere, all the while ignorant to the fact that anything could set you back and have set these people back and snuggle up to your own justification of them being entitled.
[QUOTE=Gatsby;43084675]There is a difference between asking for a reasonable pay increase and than asking for some big shit [B]that ends up making it harder for everyone.[/B][/QUOTE] Can you seriously cite an professional source for this that's beyond gut-feeling?
Asking for a slight pay raise isn't unreasonable. Asking for $15 an hour is unreasonable.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;43084698]Can you seriously cite an professional source for this that's beyond gut-feeling?[/QUOTE] I'll be honest, even from the example I posted in the 1st Page, McDonald prices are the same as they were in Tucson, here in Bismarck.
[QUOTE=Gatsby;43084535]Lol less educated and skilled? Its funny how you assume im some middle class adult that dont how hard they have to work. Ive worked in 3 different fastfood joints, including mcdonalds for 3 years. Its fucking easy work. Even on the busiest days. The food is already made for you, you just put a god damn bun on top of a burger then wrap it and put it in a bag, cashier? Oh wait all the math is done for you. All you have to do is count money. If you think fast food is hard work then you will die when you get into a serious career. Nowadays I have to shovel heavy ass gravel for lawnwork all day. Now thats actually psychically demanding job. And that is only the basic shit. Im trying to get into community college to study criminal justice and later enroll into police academy. But oh no instead of trying to improve myself and search for better opportunities maybe I should do what these guys are doing and stick to a shit job forever and cry and whine for things to get handed to me by the expense of everybody else. Even if I was stuck working fastfood gigs to feed myself again I wouldnt be protesting for such a high pay increase. I'll be happy/lucky if it increased by a dollar. Mostly due to the fact I am not some entitled idiot and I actually take responsibility for my life choices. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE] Except some people if they stop working they will have to give their child up, their house will be foreclosed and they will live off foodstamps, for the rest of their lives, it's not easy getting a good education when you've been royally fucked over whether you planned for it or not. I've seen people who've had their whole life ahead of them and then it got toppled when one little thing crumbles, then they fall into a hole and have to work minimum wage just to barely keep themselves alive.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;43084701]Asking for a slight pay raise isn't unreasonable. Asking for $15 an hour is unreasonable.[/QUOTE] Explain why.
Also this whole protest is going to do more harm than good. Those workers will get replace extremely fast.
[QUOTE=Gatsby;43084535]Lol less educated and skilled? Its funny how you assume im some middle class adult that dont how hard they have to work. Ive worked in 3 different fastfood joints, including mcdonalds for 3 years. Its fucking easy work. Even on the busiest days. The food is already made for you, you just put a god damn bun on top of a burger then wrap it and put it in a bag, cashier? Oh wait all the math is done for you. All you have to do is count money. If you think fast food is hard work then you will die when you get into a serious career. Nowadays I have to shovel heavy ass gravel for lawnwork all day. Now thats actually psychically demanding job. And that is only the basic shit. Im trying to get into community college to study criminal justice and later enroll into police academy. But oh no instead of trying to improve myself and search for better opportunities maybe I should do what these guys are doing and stick to a shit job forever and cry and whine for things to get handed to me by the expense of everybody else. Even if I was stuck working fastfood gigs to feed myself again I wouldnt be protesting for such a high pay increase. I'll be happy/lucky if it increased by a dollar. Mostly due to the fact I am not some entitled idiot and I actually take responsibility for my life choices. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE] Yes I'm sure all of them have the life goal of working in fast food for the rest of their lives. Ever consider the possibility that maybe, just maybe, some of them had to accept a job like this, but find that the wages being paid are simply not enough to live on? No, they must all be lazy shits, unlike glorious you. Asking for realistic pay that actually covers cost of living for people shouldn't be considered whining, and I apologize for assuming you hadn't worked a fast food job, because your disconnection from the actual situation some people find themselves in was a strong indicator for me. On your last point, you wouldn't take action for reasonable wages, but would consider yourself lucky if it does happen? What motivates change if those who are in this situation don't express their frustration? Will someone read their mind? Do you think their demand is too high? Well that's because it's a negotiating tactic, the same thing happens in trials where damages are awarded, you aim for the high number and hope for something in between at least. And another assumption you made of "If you think fast food is hard then you will die once you get a real career" I've worked fast food for several years of my life, and I currently work as a tax accountant for a major firm, I know what a 'real career' is, but I still considered the fast food work hard, for reasons you completely ignored in my last post. I stated that the work clearly does not always require advanced education, what it requires is patience, stamina, often times charisma, and I'm sure there are other skills I'm missing. I stood at a grill during black friday one year for 12 hours, even with the regular breaks, it is exhausting work. But trust me on your first point, I made no assumption that you were an adult.
Even than, I find this thread really funny because anyone who thinks that you going to college gurantees a job is nuts, and anyone who thinks that having a good job automatically saves your life is also nuts. I'm not one to give away personal information, but my mother is a teacher and we're still dirt poor and losing our shit. [editline]5th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Gatsby;43084718]Also this whole protest is going to do more harm than good. Those workers will get replace extremely fast.[/QUOTE] So? Even if you agree or disagree with the rates they want, why the fuck shouldn't they take the risk? Stand up for yourself
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43084712]Explain why.[/QUOTE] Because an entry level position which requires no education or skills shouldn't earn the same amount of money as some school teachers. Working 40 hours a week 52 weeks a year @ $15 an hour, before taxes you'd earn: $31,200. Working 40 hours a week 52 weeks a year @ $7.25 an hour, before taxes you'd earn: $15,080. As I said before. Asking for a pay raise isn't unreasonable, but demanding your pay be [I]doubled[/I] for what is an entry level position?
[QUOTE=Gatsby;43084718]Also this whole protest is going to do more harm than good. Those workers will get replace extremely fast.[/QUOTE] I'm sure they perfectly understand the possibility that they're going to get fired if they strike.
[QUOTE=duckmaster;43084710]Except some people if they stop working they will have to give their child up, their house will be foreclosed and they will live off foodstamps, for the rest of their lives, it's not easy getting a good education when you've been royally fucked over whether you planned for it or not. I've seen people who've had their whole life ahead of them and then it got toppled when one little thing crumbles, then they fall into a hole and have to work minimum wage just to barely keep themselves alive.[/QUOTE] Too bad I didnt say fast food workers were lazy and stupid? I said the ones out there protesting for $15/h are the entitled idiots
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43084712]Explain why.[/QUOTE] Putting Minimum Wage to $15 or putting general wage for McDonald Employees puts you at the same price as someone who is training under the Caterpillar Think Big Program. I don't really complain, but that seems a little outta-key. Once you start raising prices to accommodate the raise of the minimum wage you also have to increase the prices of services to accommodate the amount of money earned by employees.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43084712]Explain why.[/QUOTE] Hey how about we just pay everybody $5000/hr, that way there wont be any more poor people.
[QUOTE=Gatsby;43084771]Hey how about we just pay everybody $5000/hr, that way there wont be any more poor people.[/QUOTE] I love your attempts to trivialize any argument against what you believe
[QUOTE=Gatsby;43084771]Hey how about we just pay everybody $5000/hr, that way there wont be any more poor people.[/QUOTE] This is just trying to make the argument overstrung - and I'd love to know why asking for more comfortable living standards is 'overly-entitled'. Am I entitled to a good diet? Absolutely. Is healthy food expensive? Yes.
[QUOTE=areolop;43084237]Working to work is stupid. Always work for a higher goal. If you say that you wanna make $100,000 doing something you like then you know damn well you dont want to work at McDonalds for an extended period of time. You wanna find a new job thats closer to what you want to do, and pays a little more. I know where I want to be so I got out of my minimum wage paying job and into one that is closer to my goal.. and got a raise out of it. Climb the corporate ladder. You should never be happy at where your at now if you know you have room to climb.[/QUOTE] i like how some people think that attaining a higher goal is some kind of genius idea that they once had and that's why they're so well off. ey officer krupke, i can assure you all people have had higher goals in life. please stop lecturing people.
[QUOTE=Gatsby;43084718]Also this whole protest is going to do more harm than good. Those workers will get replace extremely fast.[/QUOTE] So people should just sit back like good little obedient employees and work shit conditions for shit pay and not say anything out of fear of termination? And you see this as a morally acceptable thing for employers to do? [editline]5th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Gatsby;43084771]Hey how about we just pay everybody $5000/hr, that way there wont be any more poor people.[/QUOTE] A socialized society where wealth is more evenly distributed would be preferable to this one anyways lol
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;43084670]Supporting moms with kids isn't a bad thing. That's not the point. The point is that kids cost money, bottom line. It may sound insensitive, but it's the truth. So what kind of immoral human being do you have to be to bring a child into this world, which YOU are responsible for, when you don't even have a stable enough life (income, housing, necessities, etc...) for yourself? If you are already barely supporting yourself, why bring another human being into this world to make it twice as hard on you, and exponentially harder on the kid?[/QUOTE] See this is just shaming poor people for living as normal human beings and excluding the possibility that society could assist them. What is more immoral? society trapping poorer people into poverty because they had the audacity to have a child, whether intentional or not, or allowing people to lead a normal life even if it means using the wealth of everyone to support them?
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;43084670]Supporting moms with kids isn't a bad thing. That's not the point. The point is that kids cost money, bottom line. It may sound insensitive, but it's the truth. So what kind of immoral human being do you have to be to bring a child into this world, which YOU are responsible for, when you don't even have a stable enough life (income, housing, necessities, etc...) for yourself? If you are already barely supporting yourself, why bring another human being into this world to make it twice as hard on you, and exponentially harder on the kid?[/QUOTE] Because having children and having a family is a beautiful human thing that everyone has the right to have regardless of economic status. You're a fucked up person if you want to hold poor people responsible when it is the job of society and government to care for each other.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;43084788]and I'd love to know why asking for more comfortable living standards is 'overly-entitled'.[/QUOTE] Wanting a comfortable living isn't being entiled. However, like everything else in this world, it is something that you have to earn. I'm sorry but when you work at a job that requires no education and no skills, you're going to have to take pay that reflects that. It's just the way it is. This may come as a surprise to some of you, but when you work at a job, it's possible to recieve a promotion. Yes, even at McDonalds. You might start as a team member, then shift manager, than store manager, ect., ect. You have to start at the bottom and work your way up. Wanting your pay to be doubled because it's a shitty job and you didn't aspire to work there isn't a valid arguement.
yeah fuck the poor they should lie down an be the doormats of society. They want a raise? fucking ungrateful brats how dare they ask that from me, the randian ubermensch entrepeneur
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;43084836]Liberals vs. People who believe in hard work thread. You have no right to complain if you're working an unskilled labor job for minimum wage. That's the kind of money High School and College students should be making; for anybody else that's your own damn fault. Where does this mysterious claim that college is too expensive come from? 95% of my college is paid for on academic merit. If you didn't work your very hardest to be successful in life then you haven't earned the right to complain about where you're at. People who whine about having kids to pay for are just bad parents to begin with - You're just irresponsible as a person if you have unprotected sex or use a partially effective contraceptive and can't afford to raise a child. If you didn't make wise financial decisions and work towards a job you can sustain yourself with, too bad. Companies and other people shouldn't have to spend their money to help drag them along, so I'll happily take boxes from the Facepunchers working unskilled labor jobs who think they're entitled to something special for their less than average amount of effort.[/QUOTE] Perfect example of a bad person who lacks empathy and is too shortsighted to actually understand why people are poor and why they worked in unskilled labor.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43084801]So people should just sit back like good little obedient employees and work shit conditions for shit pay and not say anything out of fear of termination? And you see this as a morally acceptable thing for employers to do? [editline]5th December 2013[/editline] A socialized society where wealth is more evenly distributed would be preferable to this one anyways lol[/QUOTE] Except they are not being mistreated, its call the real world.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;43084852]Wanting a comfortable living isn't being entiled. However, like everything else in this world, it is something that you have to earn. I'm sorry but when you work at a job that requires no education and no skills, you're going to have to take pay that reflects that. It's just the way it is. This may come as a surprise to some of you, but when you work at a job, it's possible to recieve a promotion. Yes, even at McDonalds. You might start as a team member, then shift manager, than store manager, ect., ect. You have to start at the bottom and work your way up. Wanting your pay to be doubled because it's a shitty job and you didn't aspire to work there isn't a valid arguement.[/QUOTE] So people are only allowed to live a comfortable and happy life if they meet your dumb and arbitrary standard of "earning" it? [editline]5th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Gatsby;43084879]Except they are not being mistreated, its call the real world.[/QUOTE] This is a weak excuse for treating poor people like shit and blaming them for their hardships. They said the same thing to oppressed workers when there were no labor laws and they worked 16 hour days.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;43084836]Liberals vs. People who believe in hard work thread. You have no right to complain if you're working an unskilled labor job for minimum wage. That's the kind of money High School and College students should be making; for anybody else that's your own damn fault. Where does this mysterious claim that college is too expensive come from? 95% of my college is paid for on academic merit. If you didn't work your very hardest to be successful in life then you haven't earned the right to complain about where you're at. People who whine about having kids to pay for are just bad parents to begin with - You're simply irresponsible as a person if you have unprotected sex or use a partially effective contraceptive and can't afford to raise a child. If you didn't make wise financial decisions and work towards a job you can sustain yourself with, too bad. Companies and other people shouldn't have to spend their money to help drag them along, so I'll happily take boxes from the Facepunchers working unskilled labor jobs who think they're entitled to something special for their less than average amount of effort.[/QUOTE] Yeah I mean why don't they just hurry and starve to death and stop sucking the government teat already
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;43084859]yeah fuck the poor they should lie down an be the doormats of society. They want a raise? fucking ungrateful brats how dare they ask that from me, the randian ubermensch entrepeneur[/QUOTE] how many posts are you gonna dedicate to your oh so witty satirical comments? you are up to 4(!) now
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;43084836]Liberals vs. People who believe in hard work thread. You have no right to complain if you're working an unskilled labor job for minimum wage. That's the kind of money High School and College students should be making; for anybody else that's your own damn fault. Where does this mysterious claim that college is too expensive come from? 95% of my college is paid for on academic merit. If you didn't work your very hardest to be successful in life then you haven't earned the right to complain about where you're at. People who whine about having kids to pay for are just bad parents to begin with - You're simply irresponsible as a person if you have unprotected sex or use a partially effective contraceptive and can't afford to raise a child. If you didn't make wise financial decisions and work towards a job you can sustain yourself with, too bad. Companies and other people shouldn't have to spend their money to help drag them along, so I'll happily take boxes from the Facepunchers working unskilled labor jobs who think they're entitled to something special for their less than average amount of effort.[/QUOTE] also the subtle jab at people empathizing for their fellow humans, implying that they don't understand hard work is brilliant and totally reflects how intelligent you are, because we all must be lazy government loving hippies
See the problem is poor people aren't working hard enough, that is why their poor. I'm not poor because I worked hard to get where I am, bootstrapping myself up to the position I am in *is middle-class* *was babied through life* *shits bed*
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;43084898]Yeah fuck that hard work stuff, the government should just hand them everything that ordinary citizens have to work for. Man I'm so fucking stupid, huh?[/QUOTE] Generalizing an entire class of citizens and acting like anyone who sympathizes with their plight is somehow ignorant of what hard work means is incredibly dumb, and your true colors are showing with these insightful posts.
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