[UK] Labour slashes Tory lead to just 5 points according to new poll
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I'm hoping this blithering idiot gets thrown out of parliament and Corbyn takes her place.
While preventing a terrorist attack is hard in itself, cutting police would have caused terrorism attack chance to increase, which lead to a city I have to go through daily getting completely fucking disrupted, while she blabs on sending what little actual police force into Manchester, I've only seen about 6-7 police max on my daily travel through Manchester, you'd think there would be 10x that amount just on the streets not even a week from a terrorist attack.
Hell just walking through Manchester Piccadilly Station were only 2 or 3 police officers walking about, in an area where a terrorism attack would be highly probable.
I'm really hoping Labour gets this win.
The lack of police due to this bitch is more evident than ever, I work in retail security and there is NEVER any police on our high streets and they'll only ever come out to very serious incidents or take 2+ hours to respond to things such as shoplifting. In my girlfriends area there has been about 14 stabbings in the space of a couple of weeks. Every day I see houses local to me have been broken into or cars meddled with and I live in the middle of nowhere. The crooks know how scarce the police are and they're getting away with bloody murder. I know people BY NAME that are stealing over 700 pounds worth of goods each day they get a chance and they still haven't been arrested after weeks.
Fund the fucking police, the crime in this country is spiraling on a major scale
Building on my last post, Even with the huge lack of police, she want's surveillance on civilians to prevent terrorism, how are you going to stop terrorist attacks with said surveillance when there are barely any police around to protect a city that was recently terrorised?
[QUOTE=Grizz;52276685]Especially when stuff like this is thrown out there.
Videos.[/QUOTE]
That officer is an idiot. Parent works in police and their department faced severe cuts, does he go around shouting about it? No, for a good reason. Because it significantly reduces the public's trust in the police, creates fear and does infinitely more bad than you could ever gain by making the issue more public.
Going against your own departments consensus to push a political agenda is just stupid.
[QUOTE=KillerLUA;52277283]That officer is an idiot. Parent works in police and their department faced severe cuts, does he go around shouting about it? No, for a good reason. Because it significantly reduces the public's trust in the police, creates fear and does infinitely more bad than you could ever gain by making the issue more public.
Going against your own departments consensus to push a political agenda is just stupid.[/QUOTE]
hmm create fear... like... Theresa May has been doing? Maybe he's just follow dear leaders example.
should he sign a petition asking for more funding?
[QUOTE=orcywoo6;52277252]The lack of police due to this bitch is more evident than ever, I work in retail security and there is NEVER any police on our high streets and they'll only ever come out to very serious incidents or take 2+ hours to respond to things such as shoplifting. In my girlfriends area there has been about 14 stabbings in the space of a couple of weeks. Every day I see houses local to me have been broken into or cars meddled with and I live in the middle of nowhere. The crooks know how scarce the police are and they're getting away with bloody murder. I know people BY NAME that are stealing over 700 pounds worth of goods each day they get a chance and they still haven't been arrested after weeks.
Fund the fucking police, the crime in this country is spiraling on a major scale[/QUOTE]
Police and NHS cuts are one of the main reasons I [i]despise[/i] the Tories.
I made a post at the beginning of this year about crimes in my area that have been flatly ignored due to lack of resources, and the problem has only gotten worse since.
[QUOTE=fulgrim;51901056]When my girlfriend worked in a petrol station, she had a group of men that would pull up in their car several times a week, one would get out and look intimidating, and another would fill up the car, then they would jump in the car and drive off without paying.
When she called the police they never responded. They would ask if anyone was assaulted, she would say no, they would say there was nothing they could do.
One week she was ringing them up, and they actually asked for the reg number, she was told not to approach the guys under any circumstances as they are known to carry firearms, and have been involved in armed robbery previously. It was around this point she was taught how to lock the pumps, just after learning the guy could potentially shoot her if she did.
My girlfriend's work got robbed by 4 dudes with guns several times a week for the entire time she was well enough to work there and the police didn't show up once.
A guy in my block of flats had his car vandalised in full view of around 10 cctv cameras, police didn't have the resources to look at the footage.
A whole street of cars, including some kind of vintage treasure (not really a car person but the local paper and radio put stress on just how valuable this thing was), got torched by a group of chavs, residents just had to sit inside and watch their cars burn because the police wouldn't show up.
Our country is being gutted by our current government. something has to change because we are in trouble here.[/QUOTE]
There was a stabbing in the narrow alleyway beside my flat a couple of months back, and a pretty serious one considering how much blood was pooling in the alley. Due to the fact we only have one or two ambulances running at any given time It took about 50 minutes for the ambulance to arrive and the police didn't arrive until early the next morning, and whoever came to clean it up came even later still.
I live at the bottom of a Co-op car park, right beside a law firm. There are CCTV cameras [i] everywhere [/i], I'm being filmed from 5 different angles the moment I walk out my front door, [i] there are cameras at both ends of the alleyway where the stabbing occurred[/i], and yet nobody was arrested for it, they "didn't have the resources" to investigate.
"Fund the police!" indeed.
tbh I don't even care if Corbyn loses as long as he reduces May's majority. She called this election thinking it was an easy win to increase her majority, if she loses seats then that'll be amazing.
I would rather Labour fuck the country up by accident and ineptitude than let the Tories carry on with their vendetta against the poor and disabled. Immoral fuckin cunts.
But I refuse to get my hopes up.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52277294]hmm create fear... like... Theresa May has been doing? Maybe he's just follow dear leaders example.
should he sign a petition asking for more funding?[/QUOTE]
No, it's about being professional. Theresa May can create all the fear she wants, but police officers have a job to do. They are not supposed to be scaremongering the public, again, while I entirely agree with this these are not my own words. These are those of my parent. Anybody who represents the police in an official capacity should not be leaking information that would undermine the public trust, it leads to riots, instability, mistrust and panic. Put your political opinions aside. It's incredibly unprofessional for a police officer to create panic or get involved in politics.
[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;52277436]I would rather Labour fuck the country up by accident and ineptitude than let the Tories carry on with their vendetta against the poor and disabled. Immoral fuckin cunts.
But I refuse to get my hopes up.[/QUOTE]
Labour are also the economically responsible vote in this instance as they have the only costed manifesto and are promising an end to austerity.
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[QUOTE=KillerLUA;52277504]No, it's about being professional. Theresa May can create all the fear she wants, but police officers have a job to do. They are not supposed to be scaremongering the public, again, while I entirely agree with this these are not my own words. Anybody who represents the police in an official capacity should not be leaking information that would undermine the public trust, it leads to riots, instability, mistrust and panic. Put your political opinions aside. It's incredibly unprofessional for a police officer to create panic or get involved in politics.[/QUOTE]
He's not a police officer (anymore)
By the way this is misdirection and is a weak tactic for debate
[QUOTE=Shadow801;52277505]
He's not a police officer (anymore)
By the way this is misdirection and is a weak tactic for debate[/QUOTE]
I'm not commenting on the debate, coming from a family with police you obviously pickup things. I've debated why my parent wasn't more vocal about the cuts, which, in their own words: 'one day somebody is going to get killed'. It's exactly this, you don't leak shit like this to the press. It creates panic an it's wholly unprofessional even if you're retired, or not in the force anymore.
If you're a police officer, you focus on enforcing the law and protecting your community. This extends beyond work-hours and after you leave your job, there is no excuse to start panic or create fear.
[QUOTE=KillerLUA;52277517]I'm not commenting on the debate, coming from a family with police you obviously pickup things. I've debated why my parent wasn't more vocal about the cuts, which, in their own words: 'one day somebody is going to get killed'. It's exactly this, you don't leak shit like this to the press. It creates panic an it's wholly unprofessional even if you're retired, or not in the force anymore.[/QUOTE]
Well people have died.
And the police are under funded, they can't afford to do surveillance on all of the people suspected for terrorism.
So maybe he did the right thing even if it wasn't "the correct thing".
And public outcry will cause for a higher prioritisation of police funding (good thing)
But shadow is right this is misdirection. Why are we discussing this "I agree with you but someone with higher authority than either of us said that a person shouldn't have said this". It does work though, I'm thoroughly misdirected now.
Lets get back on track.
Tory cuts to police in a time when we need police. Bad thing. We all agree. Cool. if (coolguy == true) { DoNotVoteTory() }
[QUOTE=KillerLUA;52277517]I'm not commenting on the debate, coming from a family with police you obviously pickup things. I've debated why my parent wasn't more vocal about the cuts, which, in their own words: 'one day somebody is going to get killed'. It's exactly this, you don't leak shit like this to the press. It creates panic an it's wholly unprofessional even if you're retired, or not in the force anymore.
If you're a police officer, you focus on enforcing the law and protecting your community. This extends beyond work-hours and after you leave your job, there is no excuse to start panic or create fear.[/QUOTE]
What exactly is the police officer 'leaking' in that video?
All he seems to do is highlight things which have happened, and which you as a citizen can really easily find out.
By departments being honest and open about cuts, I ultimately trust them more. It isn't going to cause any 'riots, instability, mistrust and panic' any more so than the government deciding to provide UK services with cuts. You are misunderstanding the public's outcry if you think it is being directed towards the police, rather than the government.
I'm not getting my hopes up at all, but Theresa having to give a concession speech after losing to 'Unelectable' Corbyn because she thought she was all but guaranteed victory would make my year
[QUOTE=icemaz;52277530]What exactly is the police officer 'leaking' in that video?
All he seems to do is highlight things which have happened, and which you as a citizen can really easily find out.
By departments being honest and open about cuts, I ultimately trust them more. It isn't going to cause any 'riots, instability, mistrust and panic' any more so than the government deciding to provide UK services with cuts. You are misunderstanding the public's outcry if you think it is being directed towards the police, rather than the government.[/QUOTE]
It's not as if it isn't public knowledge that the police have cuts. The problem is the fearmongering.
[QUOTE=KillerLUA;52277542]It's not as if it isn't public knowledge that the police have cuts. The problem is the fearmongering.[/QUOTE]
That's like not reporting a terrorist attack because it's scary
I don't get it.
[QUOTE=KillerLUA;52277542]It's not as if it isn't public knowledge that the police have cuts. The problem is the fearmongering.[/QUOTE]
this is oddly arbitary judgement
If police are underfunded because of government policy its in the publics interest to know.
[QUOTE=KillerLUA;52277542]It's not as if it isn't public knowledge that the police have cuts. The problem is the fearmongering.[/QUOTE]
Right, so why even act like he is "leaking" not public information by saying what he said? He did absolutely the right thing. If you want to see fearmongering, then all you have to do is [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2017/may/23/theresa-may-raises-uk-threat-level-critical-video"]look at your prime minister[/URL] 3 days ago.
If you think that you shouldn't be able to speak up about things being wrong just because you're involved in that sector, then that's fine. But I absolutely don't want to live in that world, and the police officer in that video did the right thing. If you see something wrong, then you should be free to say and act on it.
[QUOTE=KillerLUA;52277542]It's not as if it isn't public knowledge that the police have cuts. The problem is the fearmongering.[/QUOTE]
This is a pretty weird way of looking at this tbh.
Under the current government, the police don't have the funding they need to do their jobs properly. Yeah that's a scary prospect, but that doesn't mean bringing it up is instantly "fear-mongering".
It's also not like criminals aren't already aware of the current difficulties faced by police. Don't you think they would have noticed already?.
So that leaves the public, why shouldn't they be informed? It seems like it's in our best interest to know these things tbh.
Tonight's ComRes poll:
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Digging in..
[QUOTE=@JohnRentoul]Lab lead Con by 17 pts among 18-45 age group, but Con have 27-pt lead among older voters[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On who 'have the best policies for people like me and my family':
May and the Tories: 37%
Corbyn and Labour: 42%
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On who would make a better Prime Minister:
T. May: 51%
J. Corbyn: 30%[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=KillerLUA;52277504]No, it's about being professional. Theresa May can create all the fear she wants, but police officers have a job to do. They are not supposed to be scaremongering the public, again, while I entirely agree with this these are not my own words. These are those of my parent. Anybody who represents the police in an official capacity should not be leaking information that would undermine the public trust, it leads to riots, instability, mistrust and panic. Put your political opinions aside. It's incredibly unprofessional for a police officer to create panic or get involved in politics.[/QUOTE]
ah yes, having a stiff upper lip surely is more important than raising concerns and criticism.
[QUOTE=KillerLUA;52277517]I'm not commenting on the debate, coming from a family with police you obviously pickup things. I've debated why my parent wasn't more vocal about the cuts, which, in their own words: 'one day somebody is going to get killed'. It's exactly this, you don't leak shit like this to the press. It creates panic an it's wholly unprofessional even if you're retired, or not in the force anymore.
If you're a police officer, you focus on enforcing the law and protecting your community. This extends beyond work-hours and after you leave your job, there is no excuse to start panic or create fear.[/QUOTE]
So how else is the guy meant to communicate the threat severely under-funded police pose to the security of our society, secret coded messages? Trying to construe his stance here as fearmongering is a pathetic argument. Was he wrong? No, if it weren't plain enough to see already, it'd have been fucking prophetic
Possible early release of tonight's Survation poll showing some new & undecideds making up their mind.
[QUOTE]
CON: 43% (-)
LAB: 37% (+3)
LDEM: 8% (-)
UKIP: 4% (-)
(26-27 May)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Grizz;52287472]Possible early release of tonight's Survation poll showing some new & undecideds making up their mind.[/QUOTE]
According to that, 8% undecided (or other). If working with that and assuming 8% is undecided, 6% of the total of 8% undecided need to vote Labour at the election, which is unlikely. So Labour need to make up more ground.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;52287487]According to that, 8% undecided (or other). If working with that and assuming 8% is undecided, 6% of the total of 8% undecided need to vote Labour at the election, which is unlikely. So Labour need to make up more ground.[/QUOTE]
Might get a hung parliament though. Could maybe have a labour and lib dem coalition.
[QUOTE=Grizz;52287515]Unnerving opportunity tonight. Paxman versus TM & JC. Bare-knuckle, backstreet talking.[/QUOTE]
christ, there's no way to describe that beyond "skullfuck".
[QUOTE=Morgen;52287513]Might get a hung parliament though. Could maybe have a labour and lib dem coalition.[/QUOTE]
That worries me a little. Remember what the fucking lib dems did last time?
Perhaps they would be smart enough to see it as a chance at redemption in the eyes of voters?. After all, anyone who would be happy they if they sided with the Tories is already going to be voting Tory.
[QUOTE=fulgrim;52287728]Remember what the fucking lib dems did last time?[/QUOTE]
Deserved all they got in 2015.
[QUOTE=fulgrim;52287728]That worries me a little. Remember what the fucking lib dems did last time?
Perhaps they would be smart enough to see it as a chance at redemption in the eyes of voters?. After all, anyone who would be happy they if they sided with the Tories is already going to be voting Tory.[/QUOTE]
I don't really blame the lib dems for the things that happened during the coalition, they were the weaker of two parties with opposing views, of course they were going to get pushed around and wouldn't be able to keep all their promises. I don't think a labour/libdem coalition would go the same way at all.
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