• George Zimmerman To Be Charged In Trayvon Martin Shooting
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[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;35528916]At most I think they might charge him with some kind of weapons violation, firing in a residential neighborhood or something. As far as I can tell, there is no evidence contradicting self defense and there is no evidence supporting any kind of hate crime.[/QUOTE] True, except for, you know, him calling Martin a coon over the 911 call, accosting him when he was told not to, the fact he had no wounds on him and was clean in the, and his story is completely contradictory to what he originally said ie he was in grass - then on pavement, the police completely fucked up the investigation and his history of aggressive tactics. Other than that, there is absolutely no evidence that Zimmerman is guilty of anything but firing a weapon in a residential neighbourhood, lets also ignore the fact he killed another person too, because that doesn't matter. [editline]11th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=BusterBluth;35529308]This looks like a comment I would see someone post on Facebook. The police arrested him and originally wanted to charge him. Claiming the police are racist is stupid and baseless.[/QUOTE] Actually, one guy in the police wanted to charge him, but the state turned it down. The rest of the police screwed up the investigation. [editline]11th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=faze;35529720]I phrased that wrong...I'm not on any side right now and I have made that known. I also said that I will choose a side when facts come out. These "justice for Trayvon" people are saying "HE'S GUILTY, FUCK YOU!!!" and so on.[/QUOTE] You're like Jim_Reily "I am neutral and want to see the facts as they happen, including the fact that Martin is 100% GUILTY."
This hole thing is confusing. The two sides are pulling at me, I don't even know of this is a good thing or a bad thing.
[QUOTE=KorJax;35530385]Read the article. He stopped communicating with attorrnies AND nobody knows where he is. There's a big difference between "stop communicating, still at home" and "stop communicating, not at home, nobody's seen him" He's the latter. He's either on a badly timed vacation, in media/poltiical/legal hiding, or on the run.[/QUOTE] I assume he would be hiding after what the media portrayed him as. Wasn't there some Black Panther group that put a bounty on him or something?
CNN says he is in custody.
zimmerman is probably already in siberia hiding out
He just turned himself in. Going to be charged with second degree murder.
I said it would be a Second-Degree Murder charge in a previous thread. I called it exactly.
reporters are bloodthirsty on more info and they dont seem to understand they will not get any more
Problem now is getting an unbiased jury. The media has been filling the airwaves with bias and incorrect facts, it's going to be impossible to get a dozen people that haven't already made up their minds with regard to what happened.
[QUOTE=KorJax;35530385]Read the article. He stopped communicating with attorrnies AND nobody knows where he is. There's a big difference between "stop communicating, still at home" and "stop communicating, not at home, nobody's seen him" He's the latter. He's either on a badly timed vacation, in media/poltiical/legal hiding, or on the run.[/QUOTE] Zimmerman's lawyers stated they did not know where he is at. I wouldn't expect anyone but the police to know where he is at considering the danger he could possibly be in. The police should be the only people who know of his location right now, until they come out and say they have lost contact there isn't any reason to think he is on the run.
[QUOTE=Ridge;35531327]Problem now is getting an unbiased jury. The media has been filling the airwaves with bias and incorrect facts, it's going to be impossible to get a dozen people that haven't already made up their minds with regard to what happened.[/QUOTE] I do not follow cases like these because the media just goes piss crazy. Also it helps when I dont have cable. But I am not in Flordia so I cant even be a juror.
[QUOTE=timothy80;35530991]He just turned himself in. Going to be charged with second degree murder.[/QUOTE] Going to be hard as hell to prove I think.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;35531424]Going to be hard as hell to prove I think.[/QUOTE] Well as they kept saying that they needed proof for that charge before issuing that charge, I think they got a case.
[QUOTE=timothy80;35530991]He just turned himself in. Going to be charged with second degree murder.[/QUOTE] Second Degree Murder? They may have a case, but I still think the prosecution would be better off going after Zimmerman with a manslaughter charge. Voluntary or involuntary manslaughter could be better argued in my opinion. Generally Second Degree Murder is used in cases where the perpetrator was planning to kill someone, but not the actual victim; as in the victim was not the target, collateral damage basically. That instance would not apply here. There are other times when it is used, like in instances of killing someone impulsively but not planning to do so. These are actually pretty rare compared to other cases involving someone being killed or dying in the US. Even so, they're more likely to go for the impulse killing prosecution. That way they get the added component of "malice aforethought," which means the perpetrator was planning to do something bad or potentially harmful to the victim, but not lethal. That seems to be what happened when Zimmerman confronted Martin and the incident occurred. Still, a Second Degree Murder charge in this case just doesn't sit right with me; but at the same time I don't have access to all the evidence and hate forming opinions on cases like this based solely on media information. For more info on Second Degree Murder, see the following: [url]http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/second-degree-murder-overview.html[/url] [url]http://criminal.laws.com/second-degree-murder[/url] Also, just looked it up, Florida is a strange state in that it doesn't make a distinction between voluntary or involuntary manslaughter. Even more reason to go with that charge and not Second Degree Murder.
[QUOTE=jordguitar;35531518]Well as they kept saying that they needed proof for that charge before issuing that charge, I think they got a case.[/QUOTE] Just because the charge is issued doesn't mean the case is strong or even mildly stable. This is of course is going on the evidence we have right now. Its going to be interesting how they prove Zimmerman initiated a violent confrontation.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;35531576]Just because the charge is issued doesn't mean the case is strong or even mildly stable. This is of course is going on the evidence we have right now. Its going to be interesting how they prove Zimmerman initiated a violent confrontation.[/QUOTE] He accosted him when he was told not to.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;35531576]Just because the charge is issued doesn't mean the case is strong or even mildly stable. This is of course is going on the evidence we have right now. Its going to be interesting how they prove Zimmerman initiated a violent confrontation.[/QUOTE] his first appearance is in about a day so we will see if a judge will set bail or keep him locked up
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35531780]He accosted him when he was told not to.[/QUOTE] No, that is speculation at this point. [editline]11th April 2012[/editline] Thread after thread on this subject and people still are treating speculation as though it is fact.
Let the jury sort it out. We know very few facts. Only racist comments and speculation. From all sides. Several news agencies ought to be prosecuted for their negligence.
Why the hell has this gotten so popular? This shit happens daily.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35531780]He accosted him when he was told not to.[/QUOTE] Why do you claim that he "accosted" him? Zimmerman was a neighborhood watchmen. There was nothing wrong in him going up to Trayvon and asking him what he was doing. It doesn't matter if the operator told him not to, the operator didn't oblige him to not to do it and the operator's decision was more likely a concern for his safety. It's not illegal to go up to somebody and ask them what they're doing. A lot of people want to interpret it as an action of racial profiling, but if Zimmerman's history is fairly judged it's more likely that he wasn't a racist at all.
[QUOTE=faze;35529720]I phrased that wrong...I'm not on any side right now and I have made that known. I also said that I will choose a side when facts come out. These "justice for Trayvon" people are saying "HE'S GUILTY, FUCK YOU!!!" and so on.[/QUOTE]Uhh, no they were not. There was not going to be ANY charges brought against zimmerman before all this went through the national media. There was not going to be any trial at all, that's what these "justice for trayvon" people were saying, and its obvious that's wrong and they were right to protest. Every subconscious racist in the world seems to want to act like these people are just 'acting crazy' cause 'black ppls always get angry at stuff happening to black ppl, BLACK PPLS ARE ALL RACIST I KNOW CAUSE IM WHITE" you, faze, are a subconscious racist, is what I'm saying.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;35532387]Uhh, no they were not. There was not going to be ANY charges brought against zimmerman before all this went through the national media. There was not going to be any trial at all, that's what these "justice for trayvon" people were saying, and its obvious that's wrong and they were right to protest. Every subconscious racist in the world seems to want to act like these people are just 'acting crazy' cause 'black ppls always get angry at stuff happening to black ppl, BLACK PPLS ARE ALL RACIST I KNOW CAUSE IM WHITE" you, faze, are a subconscious racist, is what I'm saying.[/QUOTE] Yep, you pegged it. I'm a racist. My wife is half black, I have tons of "minority" friends. How about you stop jumping to conclusions you idiot. The "justice for Trayvon" people were the ones pushing for his arrest.
[QUOTE=faze;35532422]Yep, you pegged it. I'm a racist. My wife is half black, I have tons of "minority" friends. How about you stop jumping to conclusions you idiot. The "justice for Trayvon" people were the ones pushing for his arrest.[/QUOTE]Yeah, because he obviously should have been at least arrested and investigated. The people who were protesting werent doing it just to get some 'big old bad' white man, they had a legitimate reason that you go and then assume is because THEY are racist. So you can see why I called you a 'subconscious racist' and not a 'racist' which you seem to have thought I called you.
i'm happy zimmerman was at least charged, but a more rational part of me is screaming "well what if he [i]is[/i] innocent?" i just don't want to see this turn into a public pressure case and we end up imprisoning an innocent man but, i suppose it's in the court's hands now
[QUOTE=Ybbats;35532537]Yeah, because he obviously should have been at least arrested and investigated. The people who were protesting werent doing it just to get some 'big old bad' white man, they had a legitimate reason that you go and then assume is because THEY are racist. So you can see why I called you a 'subconscious racist' and not a 'racist' which you seem to have thought I called you.[/QUOTE] I'm not racist! I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;35531861]No, that is speculation at this point. [editline]11th April 2012[/editline] Thread after thread on this subject and people still are treating speculation as though it is fact.[/QUOTE] 911 Operator told him not to, obviously he did. That's not speculation.
I love seeing all the racist, fox-news-watching party-line loving zimmerman sympathizers doing a complete 180 turn since this murder charge announcement. All the comments are "ohh, why is everyone acting like we never wanted a fair trial to take place, we just didnt want a bunch of black people in the street with a bunch of signs to override our justice system!" Yeah, cause that happens all the time, we REALLY have to worry about that! And that's why all these same people were trying to make trayvon look like a thug villain like that would justify his killing and all of these people were GLAD zimmerman got off scot-free and without an arrest or investigation. I used to think racism was not that big in this country anymore, after this it seems more like it's learned to hide itself as "general distrust and disliking of people, oh but not because of their race, but because of everything else about them."
[QUOTE=Shadaez;35532641]I'm not racist! I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS.[/QUOTE] I [B]married[/B] into a black family. Pretty sure I am not a bigot.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;35530302]He's certainly guilty of killing Trayvon, seeing as he's dead. But it's debatable whether or not he is guilty of murder or manslaughter. Or if he will get away with it due to it being self defence.[/QUOTE] The real question they will fight in court is whether or not it's really 'self defense'. He already admitted that he pulled the trigger, and he thinks he justified it because "self defense." The prosecutors will tear his ass up in court.
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