• Israel 'Will Not Let Iran Get Nuclear Bomb'
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42372281]International treaties? I mean, a lot of countries already have agreed not to use chemical and biological warfare, so nuclear disarmament isn't very much of a stretch. Plus there's the fact that nuclear stockpiles are smaller today in the USA and Russia than in the cold war.[/QUOTE] International treaties are a joke
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;42375641]International treaties are a joke[/QUOTE] They're great as long as it's in everyone's best interest to obey them, but they aren't compelling at all.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42375663]They're great as long as it's in everyone's best interest to obey them, but they aren't compelling at all.[/QUOTE] They would be great if you could enforce them. But nobody does. In fact, nobody even wants to enforce them Remember what happened a month ago in Syria? Yeah. International treaties my ass
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;42375205]nah he was a bad person, he knew the things he claimed were utter bullshit, he never even believed his own crap about arian races or whatever.[/QUOTE] That was a bullshit claim by Hermann Rauschning. Supposedly, Hitler told him in private: [quote]I know perfectly well…that in the scientific sense there is no such thing as race. But you, as a farmer and cattle breeder, cannot get your breeding successfully achieved without the conception of race. And I as a politician need a conception which enables the order which has hitherto existed on historic bases to be abolished and an entirely and new anti-historic order enforced and given an intellectual basis…And for this purpose the conception of race serves me well… With the conception of race, National Socialism will carry the revolution abroad and re-cast the world[/quote] Rauschning claimed all kinds of stuff about Hitler in this book he wrote. According to him, they'd met with one another privately dozens of times, but the reality is there were never any private meetings between the two of them. They met like four times total, all four meetings of which had them loosely associated together in public, and then Rauschning split with the party and ran all over Europe for a few years because his very conservative views conflicted with those of the Nazis. Plus he stole quotes from other authors and attributed them to Hitler himself. He's a shit source; not totally irrelevant, just not at all credible. Study Hitler's psychological profile compiled by the OSS. It's not completely accurate, but it does indeed conclude that the man genuinely believed in the righteousness of his work.
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42372346]Why not invest into preventing wars in the first place?[/QUOTE] HAH preventing wars is impossible. The league of nations was established right after WW1 to prevent wars from breaking out. Look how that turned out. [editline]2nd October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=popbob;42375577]haha yeah except all those dudes they trained and armed in afghanistan and iraq good little iran never does anything wrong!! let's give them nukes![/QUOTE] The US trained and armed dudes in Afghanistan too
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42374183]So West Germany would nuke the Soviet Union? If there was a fire in West Berlin, rioting, etc, some of it spilling over into East Berlin, would you nuke the Soviet Union if the East German fire bridge marched into West Berlin with the police to put out the fires and control the mobs?[/QUOTE] Why do you keep using the terms "West" and "East Germany"? That wall came down, after all. Nuclear weapons will be used by a nation that faces the risk of annihilation, which is why we will probably never see another escalated global conflict in any foreseeable future; it's simply too dangerous. A new Hitler would not be able to invade France.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;42376472]Why do you keep using the terms "West" and "East Germany"? That wall came down, after all.[/quote] Except in the Cold War, East and West Germany were separate sovereign nations. We are talking about the cold war. [quote]Nuclear weapons will be used by a nation that faces the risk of annihilation, which is why we will probably never see another escalated global conflict in any foreseeable future; it's simply too dangerous. A new Hitler would not be able to invade France.[/QUOTE] Would the allies nuke the Soviet Union if, after the East German fire brigade and police had entered West Berlin, decided to bring East German soldiers to help control the riots in the city? [editline]2nd October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Araknid;42376353]HAH preventing wars is impossible. The league of nations was established right after WW1 to prevent wars from breaking out. Look how that turned out.[/QUOTE] Please explain why preventing a war is impossible.
Its quite funny how some people don't actually know how bad ass Israel is. They do not give a fuck, they will wipe you off the earth happily.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;42375641]International treaties are a joke[/QUOTE] Which is why the US government routinely uses chemical and biological weapons to great numbers and effect? [editline]2nd October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;42375393]Iran is not going to have friendly relations whilst the US and Israel are making demands to them all the while simultaneously drawing up their attack plans. It's incredibly obvious to everybody that the only reason Israel and the US are so hardline against Iran about the nuclear is because they fear the fact that they won't be able to invade Iran whilst Iran has nuclear weapons.[/QUOTE] So you are telling me that Iran is going to nuke the United States or Israel in the case of an invasion? Let us imagine that Mossad agents are found being shifty in Iran, or the US government snoops around the border. Does supreme leader press the button?
[QUOTE=katbug;42374459]Hitler wasn't a "Bad person", though. He didn't sit in an evil lair and wring his hands together thinking "fnaah, FNAAH! I SHALL KILL ALL THE JEWS BECAUSE I AM EVIL *evil cackling*" The guy honestly did what he thought was best for Germany- what he did was terrible, beyond terrible; but he didn't do it just to be a shit.[/QUOTE]That still makes him a bad person, though. Rarely somebody does terrible things [i]just[/i] for the sake of it, they usually have some rationalization to make it seem okay in their head.
[QUOTE=Flem;42376854]Its quite funny how some people don't actually know how bad ass Israel is. They do not give a fuck, they will wipe you off the earth happily.[/QUOTE] israel is vastly more lucky than "badass" actually. also people don't generally know that, but arab culture with its ridiculously absurd hierarchical bullshit, tends to willingly harm the training of its own soldiers lol due to it, several cases for instance of when the US trained egyptian or iraq troops, and the officers complained that the soldiers shouldn't even have access to a manual to a mortar or a tank, so you have mortar crews with only one dude who actually knows how to use it, or tanks being piloted by people who don't even quite get it, and hell this is just scratching the surface. israel never had too much trouble when dealing with its neighbors, because the way they train their armies is utterly, utterly horrible. [url]http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars[/url] also due to these practices, basically there is no way israel will ever be truly threatened as long as it continues.
Lol you people act like it's not the global community's responsibility to secure and reduce existing stockpiles and prevent any more from being made mad is duck and cover for grownups
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42376855]Which is why the US government routinely uses chemical and biological weapons to great numbers and effect?[/QUOTE] The US military doesn't use WMDs because it has a public image to maintain, not because of some international treaty bullshit
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;42372375]Sanction the shit out of countries that refuse disarmament, let them see what good their nuclear might is when their economy turns to shit. See: North Korea.[/QUOTE] And get threatened by a nuclear strike, which will most probably happen if acted out of desperation. [editline]2nd October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;42376846]Please explain why preventing a war is impossible.[/QUOTE] What's easier, building a house or demolishing it? What's easier, giving birth or killing a person? What's easier, doing something reasonable or shitposting? You know how it's done.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;42375205]nah he was a bad person, he knew the things he claimed were utter bullshit, he never even believed his own crap about arian races or whatever. i didn't said he was some kind of evil overlord or whatever, you can be bad without being evil incarnate you know.[/QUOTE] I know he didn't believe that the Jews were actually the cause of what happened to Germany- but he still believed that after ww1, the only way to bring back Germany to it's previous state would be for him to rise to power, and for that, he needed a scapegoat. In his eyes, the ends outweighed the means. Sort of like our war on terror, but to a much lesser extent- we think it's OK to kill the civilians of an area that we are at war with as long as it was "accidental"; there have been hundreds of thousands of accidents so far, and barely anyone here cares. [editline]2nd October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;42376846] Please explain why preventing a war is impossible.[/QUOTE] Because people are people
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;42378974]What's easier, building a house or demolishing it? What's easier, giving birth or killing a person? What's easier, doing something reasonable or shitposting? You know how it's done.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=katbug;42380337]Because people are people[/QUOTE] These are completely unsatisfactory replies. Could you two try explaining how? Does the concept of diplomacy not exist to either of you?
How about Israel remove their arsenal of nukes, chemical & biological weapons first?
[QUOTE=katbug;42380337]I know he didn't believe that the Jews were actually the cause of what happened to Germany- but he still believed that after ww1, the only way to bring back Germany to it's previous state would be for him to rise to power, and for that, he needed a scapegoat.[/QUOTE] I don't believe this is accurate. "He needed a scapegoat", sure, and he had one, and he secured power. If a public scapegoat was all he truly needed, then why did he start mass executions of them? You could say it's scapegoating, but they were done in reletive privacy. Villages just miles away had no idea the camps existed, even the Allies didn't fully realise until they started finding them all over Germany. If it was a scapegoat, it'd be fully public. But judging by the public reaction (some people killed themselves when they found out what they'd been supporting), I don't think it would have helped him maintain power very well.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42376846] We are talking about the cold war. [/QUOTE] Well I wasn't aware of that, would you mind explaining why you're asking me to predict the outcome of such a scenario?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42380554]These are completely unsatisfactory replies. Could you two try explaining how? Does the concept of diplomacy not exist to either of you?[/QUOTE] Only Jews ask question on question. To begin with, answer on mine questions [quote]What's easier, building a house or demolishing it? What's easier, giving birth or killing a person? What's easier, doing something reasonable or shitposting?[/quote]
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;42381804][B]Only Jews ask question on question[/B]. To begin with, answer on mine questions[/QUOTE] Wot
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42372094]I'd prefer that no one had any nuclear bombs.[/QUOTE] That would be nice, but it's not like we can set back our knowledge on nuclear physics. As long as we know how to build them, they will be out there.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42380554]These are completely unsatisfactory replies. Could you two try explaining how? Does the concept of diplomacy not exist to either of you?[/QUOTE] Does the concept of [b]PEOPLE ARE FUCKING STUPID[/b] not exist to you?
Also, I wasn't aware that I was trying to "satisfy" your arbitrary criteria for what is acceptable. How do you not grasp the concept that people have and always will conduct themselves violently and without concern for those they attack as long as it betters their self interest?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42372346]Why not invest into preventing wars in the first place?[/QUOTE] Even without the money to fund a proper war, humans will always find a way and a reason to brain their neighbours with a rock.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42382556]Wot[/QUOTE] Asking questions as answers is actually part of Jewish culture.
i dont think they would do it, its just saber rattling and brinkmanship. but then again [QUOTE][I]wars are begun by frightened men[/I]- tom clancy[/QUOTE] [T]http://i.imgur.com/MtHU79B.png[/T]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42380554]These are completely unsatisfactory replies. Could you two try explaining how? Does the concept of diplomacy not exist to either of you?[/QUOTE]It's statistically impossible. It's like expecting there ever to be a perfect 0% crime rate. Not saying it's not worth attempting, but yeah, it's statistically impossible for there to be no conflict anywhere.
[QUOTE=katbug;42382923]Does the concept of [b]PEOPLE ARE FUCKING STUPID[/b] not exist to you?[/QUOTE] Now that I've read this post I'm inclined to believe so.
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