• Nintendo is cracking down on Tool Assisted Speed Runners and ROM hackers on Youtube
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So I found out Nintendo took down Vinesauce's hilarious Mario Chaos Complexx video. They are officially on my shit list.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48665262]A good read for yall [url]https://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp[/url][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Can I Download a Nintendo ROM from the Internet if I Already Own the Authentic Game? There is a good deal of misinformation on the Internet regarding the backup/archival copy exception. It is not a "second copy" rule and is often mistakenly cited for the proposition that if you have one lawful copy of a copyrighted work, you are entitled to have a second copy of the copyrighted work even if that second copy is an infringing copy. The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic. Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.[/QUOTE] They have no way of proving whether or not his copy of the rom is legal or not so this is kinda abusive behavior. They can't even make an argument that the rom is modified either since most emulators support loading of patches without having to modify the rom.
And let's not even get onto the Mother 3 subject, where it's highly likely no one genuinely bought and imported a japanese cart just to justify their playing the translated version of the game. A translation that Nintendo fully acknowledge exists (although the team protects themselves by only distributing the patch) and have even had 2014's Nintendo Direct at E3 poke fun at the fans demanding it be brought over after it gained cult status.
So is there some consensus for making an Let's Play Nintendo RomHacks site, if this gets really bad... like them taking down Raocow, ProtonJon, and other videos?
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;48676561]So is there some consensus for making an Let's Play Nintendo RomHacks site, if this gets really bad... like them taking down Raocow, ProtonJon, and other videos?[/QUOTE] What is the point when Nintendo decides to cease & desist the entire site? It isn't like YouTube, where they have a system for copyright violations so people can't just shut down the entire site when they think someone used their cream illegally. It would actually be worse than YouTube, it would be only useful when it isn't popular (then you get into the whole chicken & egg thing)
Man, I wish they had check the guy who did that half life run a while back
[QUOTE=proboardslol;48667065]virtual console [editline]12th September 2015[/editline] I think nintendo also wants to protect its image. Nintendo wants to be seen as a family console. They don't want to be associated with competitive gaming, speed runs, or any of the more "adult" aspects of video games. Those unwashed neckbeards that hang out in the student commons all day playing Super Smash bros? Nintendo doesn't like that. Its bad for their image.[/QUOTE] Then why did they go to EVO?
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48665511]Nintendo is like Apple of videogames. "We are SUPER happy to have you our customer, we LOVE you and hope you have the BEST experience" ... "don't you even fucking DARE STRAYING OUT OF THE PLAYPEN, YOU UGLY PIECE OF SHIT, HOW DARE YOU DO THIS? THIS WASN'T MEANT TO BE THAT WAY, GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE"[/QUOTE] except that apple doesn't go against the jailbreaking community
[QUOTE=Dantz Bolrew;48662662]They already made it so if you say Project M or PM on Miiverse, you get auto banned[/QUOTE] I've heard of that, a friend of mine told me that they said "Played some Smash Bros today on the 3DS! Can't wait to get home at 10:00 PM and master combos with Kirby on the Wii U!" on Miiverse or something, he got permabanned for that.
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[QUOTE=RockmanYoshi;48671374]Then why put out games like Smash and Mario Kart???? Also the VC is terribly lacking in features, one reason why I don't buy the Gameboy titles anymore[/QUOTE] They want them to be fun family games, not competitive games. They made their fortune off of selling games to little kids. That audience grew up but Nintendo doesn't want to grow up with them. They want to capitalize on today's little kids and competitive gaming can be intimidating to little kids. Disney didn't start producing PG-13 movies when their audience grew up
The websites Virtualsnes and Letsplaysnes that hosted a ton of roms went down in the last month. Bit of a shame considering how long they'd been around.
Something occured to me that's funny to think about By far and wide, the most popular and prevalent emulators are Nintendo console emulators. Gameboy, NES, N64, GCN, etc. There exist Playstation emulators, but those aren't as prevalent. Same with Master System and other Sega Consoles. Point being, Nintendo's products are the largest "targets" of roms and emulators, and other products just aren't prevelant enough for Sony, Sega, Microsoft, etc. to take notice. Which leads me to believe that it's not Nintendo specifically assholes about it, because I feel that if other companies were in their position, they'd be acting similarly. Emulation simply doesn't happen to nearly as much as a degree on non-Nintendo consoles.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;48671547]Define cracking down. You already can't mention it on Miiverse and ever since Nintendo themselves became sponsors of the larger Smash tournaments, only official Smash games are allowed. That's why you don't see it on their line-ups anymore. Honesty, that they haven't gone after the mod itself is probably because they know that's a wasp's nest. They're probably kicking themselves for not doing it before it got popular enough to become a threat. Plus it's so widely-distributed now, it'd be pointless to try.[/QUOTE] I mean a full C+D Nintendo had suddenly started to "care" about competitive smash because they want to promote smash 4, they'll forget about it soon enough
[QUOTE=Flash_Fire;48679617]I mean a full C+D Nintendo had suddenly started to "care" about competitive smash because they want to promote smash 4, they'll forget about it soon enough[/QUOTE] Yeah I always thought the rules of the first official Nintendo tournament was so odd because everyone else was always following the tournament rules that was built up by the community.
Taking down videos is a waste when they could just claim the monetization and leave it up. Then again, Nintendo of Japan's always been fucking stupid in their legal apartment.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;48678993]They want them to be fun family games, not competitive games. They made their fortune off of selling games to little kids. That audience grew up but Nintendo doesn't want to grow up with them. They want to capitalize on today's little kids and competitive gaming can be intimidating to little kids. Disney didn't start producing PG-13 movies when their audience grew up[/QUOTE] don't know about you but playing multiplayer Mario kart makes me want to murder everyone in the room Besides, Nintendo is trying to appeal to people of all ages, not just kids. It has been that way since the 70s.
[QUOTE=RockmanYoshi;48679682]don't know about you but playing multiplayer Mario kart makes me want to murder everyone in the room Besides, Nintendo is trying to appeal to people of all ages, not just kids. It has been that way since the 70s.[/QUOTE] This is especially evident with the Amiibo figures which have surpassed 10 million sold units a while ago. They started primarily targeting older collectors, rather than having them be toys for kids and [URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/21/nintendo-amiibo_n_6195242.html"]lonely people[/URL], as that's where the biggest demand was. Same for the new Pokémon Go advert, which had adults running around collecting and battling Pokémon. [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjPOSKnOftA"]Some times they just don't know who to market towards and just fuck up, however. [/URL]
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;48679486]Something occured to me that's funny to think about By far and wide, the most popular and prevalent emulators are Nintendo console emulators. Gameboy, NES, N64, GCN, etc. There exist Playstation emulators, but those aren't as prevalent. Same with Master System and other Sega Consoles. Point being, Nintendo's products are the largest "targets" of roms and emulators, and other products just aren't prevelant enough for Sony, Sega, Microsoft, etc. to take notice. Which leads me to believe that it's not Nintendo specifically assholes about it, because I feel that if other companies were in their position, they'd be acting similarly. Emulation simply doesn't happen to nearly as much as a degree on non-Nintendo consoles.[/QUOTE] Well it is partly because how popular Nintendo games are, but I believe it is also because the consoles are not as powerful/complex as anything Microsoft or Sony makes so they are much easier to emulate and can be emulated on current hardware better.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;48679486] Which leads me to believe that it's not Nintendo specifically assholes about it, because I feel that if other companies were in their position, they'd be acting similarly. Emulation simply doesn't happen to nearly as much as a degree on non-Nintendo consoles.[/QUOTE] Which is probably just the result of them using easy to emulate hardware, whereas the Xbox and Playstation still don't have reliable emulation. (Playstation is getting there, but it's still not great) [editline]fuck me[/editline] I should really read the next posts before I post something.
[QUOTE=eirexe;48677590]Then why did they go to EVO?[/QUOTE] Different company(pretty much, it seems they barely talk), nintendo america seems really pro competitive and speedrunning nowadays, and is generally positive about fan creations. While nintendo japan is ruled by old dudes that would make kotick blush, who only cares about money and will kill anything they can't make money with. This is true with pmuch all bigger japanese companies.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;48677599]except that apple doesn't go against the jailbreaking community[/QUOTE] Oh come on, Apple tried to make iPhone jailbreaking [i]illegal[/i] a few years back. Meanwhile, the Wii has the biggest modding and homebrew community ever seen on a major home console. Brawl alone gets the same modding support you normally only find on major PC games.
Only things I'd feel right emulating would be GBA and N64 games. In the case of 64 games, it's games I would've already owned at least once. The whole TAS crack down is literally retarded, though :why:
[QUOTE=Grandzeit;48679753][URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjPOSKnOftA"]Some times they just don't know who to market towards and just fuck up, however. [/URL][/QUOTE] Come on now, that advert was memetic as hell. [editline]14th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=VinLAURiA;48682323]Oh come on, Apple tried to make iPhone jailbreaking [i]illegal[/i] a few years back. Meanwhile, the Wii has the biggest modding and homebrew community ever seen on a major home console. Brawl alone gets the same modding support you normally only find on major PC games.[/QUOTE] iPhone jailbreaking community is [i]massive[/i] - and the people involved in that have also done stuff like jailbreaking the PS3. Sony sued the shit out of Geohot, Nintendo goes after flashcard manufacturers, and the worst Apple does is patching the jailbreak exploits since that's kind of an important thing to do.
They still tried to make it illegal!
Sony deserves everything, if it wasn't for removing OtherOS nothing would have happened-
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48665560]I think they have lawyers that need to justify their positions.[/QUOTE] Or they hate the PR department.
[QUOTE=eirexe;48684747]Sony deserves everything, if it wasn't for removing OtherOS nothing would have happened-[/QUOTE] No, there was ps3 jailbreaking before failoverflow did that presentation on the keys. I dont even know why people wanted otherOS back and the "I want to run my own code" argument is strange. OtherOS was a pile of shit and running Linux on a jailbroken ps3 was also a pile of shit. The only long term product that people actually care about that came out of hacking the ps3 to hell and back was pirated games
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;48701496]No, there was ps3 jailbreaking before failoverflow did that presentation on the keys. I dont even know why people wanted otherOS back and the "I want to run my own code" argument is strange. OtherOS was a pile of shit and running Linux on a jailbroken ps3 was also a pile of shit. The only long term product that people actually care about that came out of hacking the ps3 to hell and back was pirated games[/QUOTE] PS3-clusters were great super computers though, even the military used one at one point IIRC.
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