[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38004554]But it isn't reasonable. Saying stupid bull shit thats mean or considered hate speech shouldn't void your right to enter a country and preach your beliefs there.[/QUOTE]
Entering any country is a privilege, not a right. Preaching your hateful beliefs in Canada certainly isn't a right, in fact it's a crime, and it's worked out great so far. I really don't understand why you think anyone should have the right to walk into your country and start shitting all over the culture.
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;38003945]I'm sorry, I don't mean to make it sound like that. I guess I'm just arguing the general attitude and idea. Canada is different and has a different culture and I accept and respect that. I guess I just got way too caught up in the argument. It's more fascinating than anything.
Anyway, I'll drop it. sorry.[/QUOTE]
No, that's all right. You do bring up some good points, and if nothing else, I've admired the way Americans will ask and give no quarter when it comes to upholding their rights. It's just that that formula wouldn't work so well for Canada.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38004554]But it isn't reasonable. Saying stupid bull shit thats mean or considered hate speech shouldn't void your right to enter a country and preach your beliefs there.[/QUOTE]
You don't have a right to enter a country when you're not a citizen of said country. You should see the 'denied access' as 'has not been granted access'.
Why does canada always try to deny entry based on people's opinions? That is much worse than any racist or hateful thought you could possibly have.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;38006724]Why does canada always try to deny entry based on people's opinions? That is much worse than any racist or hateful thought you could possibly have.[/QUOTE]
I was in the middle of typing out a response when I realized you could just read the fucking thread, it's all very well explained.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;38006738]I was in the middle of typing out a response when I realized you could just read the fucking thread, it's all very well explained.[/QUOTE]
What he said.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;38006738]I was in the middle of typing out a response when I realized you could just read the fucking thread, it's all very well explained.[/QUOTE]
I was in the middle of reading your dodge and then I stopped.
Zak shut the fuck up. Read the last few pages for what he meant. He isnt dodging you in anyway.
I apologize for our stupid americans (zak/goose)
:|
[QUOTE=TamTamJam;38005333]Entering any country is a privilege, not a right. Preaching your hateful beliefs in Canada certainly isn't a right, [b]in fact it's a crime[/b], and it's worked out great so far. I really don't understand why you think anyone should have the right to walk into your country and start shitting all over the culture.[/QUOTE]
(It shouldn't be) Censoring what people can and can't say is bad.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38006689]You don't have a right to enter a country when you're not a citizen of said country. You should see the 'denied access' as 'has not been granted access'.[/QUOTE]
Good point, but still. People shouldn't have to worry about not being granted access to a country because they say hateful things.
[b]EDIT:[/B]
I guarantee the majority of yous would be up in arms if Canada barred entry to an Atheist group or something similar. The only reason you guys agree with this is because these people have things to say you don't agree with.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38008217](It shouldn't be) Censoring what people can and can't say is bad.
Good point, but still. People shouldn't have to worry about not being granted access to a country because they say hateful things.
[B]EDIT:[/B]
I guarantee the majority of yous would be up in arms if Canada barred entry to an Atheist group or something similar. [B]The only reason you guys agree with this is because these people have things to say you don't agree with.[/B][/QUOTE]
And that's exactly the fucking point here. Why the fuck should we be forced to let this fucker in if all he is going to do is spew hateful shit, solely for the purpose of causing more hate, that the vast majority of Canadians don't agree on. This isn't the United States, stop trying to push your fucking constitution on us. That shit may fly down south, but up here we don't care to hear it. You're only spouting off this "censorship" crap because you live in a country where people like Jones and the WBC are given free reign.
As someone from a country where we haven't tolerated this, I have no qualms of denying people who want to send messages of hate and conflict against large, identifiable groups of the population from speaking here and sending that message.
EDIT: Sorry if I come off as a bit hostile here, but I'm just so fucking sick of constantly seeing people react to discovering these hate speech laws in Canada as if we're some sort of horrific state where the government can jump on you for saying things people don't like. These laws are very clear and the avenues are there for people to appeal if they feel they are being misjudged. The system works fine.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38008217](It shouldn't be) Censoring what people can and can't say is bad.
Good point, but still. People shouldn't have to worry about not being granted access to a country because they say hateful things.
[B]EDIT:[/B]
I guarantee the majority of yous would be up in arms if Canada barred entry to an[B] Atheist group or something similar[/B]. The only reason you guys agree with this is because these people have things to say you don't agree with.[/QUOTE]
If were shit disturbers in the States, I don't care why, I would not want them here. Period.
[QUOTE=Kinversulath;38008266]And that's exactly the fucking point here. Why the fuck should we be forced to let this fucker in if all he is going to do is spew hateful shit, solely for the purpose of causing more hate, that the vast majority of Canadians don't agree on. [B]This isn't the United States, stop trying to push your fucking constitution on us. That shit may fly down south, but up here we don't care to hear it.[/B] You're only spouting off this "censorship" crap because you live in a country where people like Jones and the WBC are given free reign.
As someone from a country where we haven't tolerated this,[B] I have no qualms of denying people who want to send messages of hate and conflict against large, identifiable groups of the population from speaking here and sending that message.[/B]
EDIT: Sorry if I come off as a bit hostile here, but I'm just so fucking sick of constantly seeing people react to discovering these hate speech laws in Canada as if we're some sort of horrific state where the government can jump on you for saying things people don't like. These laws are very clear and the avenues are there for people to appeal if they feel they are being misjudged. The system works fine.[/QUOTE]
Essentially this. Free Speech is different in Canada than it is in the United States. And it's no less free, believe me. It just has an idiot filter installed.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38008217](It shouldn't be) Censoring what people can and can't say is bad.
Good point, but still. People shouldn't have to worry about not being granted access to a country because they say hateful things.
[b]EDIT:[/B]
I [B]guarantee the majority of yous would be up in arms if Canada barred entry to an Atheist group or something similar.[/B] The only reason you guys agree with this is because these people have things to say you don't agree with.[/QUOTE]
If they're going to disrupt it at the same magnitude as this asshole, they can stay out. Respect others beliefs and discuss topics such as religion the way you want, but do preach fucking hate.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38008217]
I guarantee the majority of yous would be up in arms if Canada barred entry to an Atheist group or something similar. The only reason you guys agree with this is because these people have things to say you don't agree with.[/QUOTE]
If that atheist was a hatemonger no
[QUOTE=zerothefallen;38008041]Zak shut the fuck up. Read the last few pages for what he meant. He isnt dodging you in anyway.
I apologize for our stupid americans (zak/goose)
:|[/QUOTE]
It's okay. Not everyone gets us.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38004715]It shouldn't fall under any category of illegal speech. They shouldn't be barred from the country because they spew bull shit out of their mouths.[/QUOTE]
I disagree, I think we should ban religion and should launch the WBC into the sun.
[QUOTE=zerothefallen;38008041]Zak shut the fuck up. Read the last few pages for what he meant. He isnt dodging you in anyway.
I apologize for our stupid americans (zak/goose)
:|[/QUOTE]
I already conceded. WHY YOU GOTTA BRING ME BACK INTO THIS AGAIN
DO YOU EVEN LIFT?
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;37998988]i thought terry jones of monty python was denied entry. i was like "what the shit did he do to piss of canada that much?"[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;5zey8567bcg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zey8567bcg[/video]
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