[QUOTE=Vodkavia;45395921]Only 1 dimensional characters are defined by their race, gender, sexuality, etc and even then it's dumb. Entertaining the whole X book/game/etc doesn't have enough of this segment of society is absurd. People being pushed away from reading and writing because it has too many white people is one side of the coin that includes people being bothered with the idea putting black people in stories. I need only look at SJWism to prove that fetishizing peoples differences only adds more abrasion while doing nothing to solve actual problems.[/QUOTE]
Holy crap, can people talk about social problems at all without going 'SJW'S HAVE GONE TOO FAR!!'?
Wanting an equal stance on media, whether it's white, black, hispanic or whatever is not fetishisation. Asking to see more people like yourself is not fetishisation. People being fed up with white washed media is not fetishisation.
If someone says to you they want someone like them to be on T.V., and that causes [I]abrasion[/I] with you, then boy howdy do I have some news for you.
Luckily we have a solution.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XRjUmu1.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;45395362]The problem is that white people tend to be the ones writing, producing, marketing and selling the children's books. It's fine to throw out a pithy line like, "So long as you're not [I]forcing[/I] anyone to add ethnic characters, it's okay." but that's inherently self-undermining. There has to be some pressure in order to create change, not just a handy-dandy wishful thinking clause. Otherwise a lot of otherwise bad things in history just would have stopped because people went, "It's bad, and I wish it would stop."
The bigger hidden problem is that, in solving it, you tend to still have white people writing, producing, marketing and selling the books. They don't grasp the ethnicity, or cultures and try to shoe horn in things to make themselves look racially sensitive and helpful, like naming the cute little girl Luqandashi or giving the little boy a big honking Arab turban and beard. The best way to solve this is to just treat the ethnic characters as if they're [I]fucking normal.[/I] Like call the little girl Alice or Susy, but make her black. Maybe give her frizzy hair, or dreadlocks. You are now 100% there. She doesn't need a fucked up ebonic speech pattern. She doesn't need to wear a tribal sari from a culture that's been disbanded for five hundred years. It's okay if she's ethnic and normal. Most ethnic people are.
[B]Zach[/B]* Weinersmith, the guy who writes SMBC, does it best. His characters serve as vehicles for telling a joke, and sometimes gender tension might be necessary for the joke but for the most part it doesn't. He ends up with a tremendous array of ethnic characters and gender pairings that fit naturally with the words coming out of their mouths, when he could just as easily do what most webcomic writers do and have two Tycho&Gabe caliber talking heads acting as his story telling vehicles.[/QUOTE]
Then why don't minorities write more childrens books. If it's truly for the better why not show it rather than telling the current authors "no no no your doing it wrong this is how you should do it", and be more successful.
Reminds me of Towering Inferno, how they designed the film to where both Steve and Paul had the same number of lines.
[QUOTE=Dysplasia;45395486]conditioning the youth to believe race-mixing is good
keep pushing that agenda[/QUOTE]
Um...
"Race mixing" is good.
Or were you joking?
[QUOTE=Arctic Snow;45395068]Write all the black children books you want. Just don't impose your view on other writers who don't put black children in their books.[/QUOTE]
writers who specifically don't put black kids in their books are probably pretty racist to be fair
[QUOTE=VietnameseCat;45395874]Until we can find out why so many mixed race kids have allergies and other problems there should probably be some government mandate to limit interracial births, couples are fine and everything but the births should be limited. I don't believe it's in the best interests of the people to let something like this continue to escalate while we still know so little.[/QUOTE]
Are you for real?
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;45396514]Um...
"Race mixing" is good.
Or were you joking?[/QUOTE]
It's not good or bad, it just happens
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;45396569]It's not good or bad, it just happens[/QUOTE]
it's the latter.
[QUOTE=Cone;45396520]writers who specifically don't put black kids in their books are probably pretty racist to be fair[/QUOTE]
You mean inadvertently? Or one's that make a conscious decision not to?
[QUOTE=Mr.95;45396599]You mean inadvertently? Or one's that make a conscious decision not to?[/QUOTE]
By saying specifically I think he means conscious decision.
[QUOTE=Mr.95;45396599]You mean inadvertently? Or one's that make a conscious decision not to?[/QUOTE]
You're talking to Cone, what do [I]you[/I] think he meant?
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;45396588]it's the latter.[/QUOTE]
Why is it bad exactly? Because "my white heritage", "the jews" and "degeneracy"? If so, go back to /pol/
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;45396664]Why is it bad exactly? Because "my white heritage", "the jews" and "degeneracy"? If so, go back to /pol/[/QUOTE]uhh, /pol/ is a shithole, and not in an amusing way like /b/. Why would I go there.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;45396705]What the fuck?
Did I just go back in time or something? I feel like I'm reading some shit from the 50's, anti-miscegenation was ended decades ago you guys are pathetic.[/QUOTE]
There are more who won't mix than you might think, maybe not on facepunch though since it's quite left-leaning. And it's not like it's something people post about, or they just get slapped with the r-word.
no such thing as too white nigga
[QUOTE=Atlascore;45396742]You're free not to do it, but calling it bad and saying it shouldn't happen is both racist and retarded.[/QUOTE]
Never once claimed one race was superior.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;45396763]Never once claimed one race was superior.[/QUOTE]
stop trying to dance around the stupid shit you're saying. saying race mixing is bad is stupid as fuck and it IS racist. also every single 'race' is a bastard amalgamation of tons of different ethnicities anyway so really the only distinction morons that believe in this crap make is skin colour.
Was said already, but every childrens book I've read growing up either did not state a specific ethnic group for characters or was about talking animals. I mean, yeah, some of them have pictures clearly showing the characters as Caucasian, but don't most of the [b]children[/b] that the books are for already use their imaginations to see the characters as whatever ethnic group they want?
clearly she hasn't read Little Bill
[editline]15th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;45396588]it's the latter.[/QUOTE]
Why would it be bad?
I'd make the cast representative of the population, ~88% white, ~10% south asian, ~2-3% black, no one could argue because it would be accurate
[QUOTE=Mr.95;45396599]You mean inadvertently? Or one's that make a conscious decision not to?[/QUOTE]
well i mean if someone suggests that you put black kids in your children's books, and then you say "I DON'T [I]DO[/I] BLACK KIDS IN MY BOOKS," that's pretty racist. like i get that some writers would find the suggestion somewhat off-putting, but i can't come up with a single decent reason why you explicitly wouldn't. even if you just don't like being told what to do it's a very silly thing to throw a tantrum over, much more so for a professional writer.
my point is that i just don't see the issue. if it just doesn't occur to you that everyone you write is white then that's not necessarily your fault, but at the same time it's not good, as ideally you wouldn't have to have that pointed out to you before you did anything.
[editline]15th July[/editline]
i mean if writing was your day job you wouldn't get all huffy just at the suggestion would you? it's a very minor thing where the only negative consequence would be Klansmen not buying your books anymore
[QUOTE=SteakStyles;45396840] but don't most of the [b]children[/b] that the books are for already use their imaginations to see the characters as whatever ethnic group they want?[/QUOTE]
No they do not. They see a white boy/girl in every book and start to think that's the norm and they're some sort of abomination. It happens subconsciously and can cause depression in young children. I was once at a friend's place who are asians and their toddler came over to the mother and asked "are my eyes wrong" while pointing at a boy in children book. Anecdotal evidence but I'm sure it happens to many ethnic kids, especially if they live in places where they're a minority.
This stuff can cause such children to feel less worth or as if something is not right with them. Remember that kids are stupid and most of their views are absorbed from their surroundings.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;45396763]Never once claimed one race was superior.[/QUOTE]
"separate but equal" right
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;45396569]It's not good or bad, it just happens[/QUOTE]
Nah I think its good because it eventually winds up with everyone being forced to accept everyone else.
Also that dumb rating was an accident sorry. I'm on my phone and my fingers missed the reply button.
You know how easy it is to put black kids into books?
Change one word.
PROFIT
Holy shit the posts in this thread depressed the fuck out of me.
But then I realized I cannot really blame those posters. It is obviously difficult to think about relationships between different races since your right (or left hand) is the same colour as the rest of you.
[QUOTE=Cone;45396914]well i mean if someone suggests that you put black kids in your children's books, and then you say "I DON'T [I]DO[/I] BLACK KIDS IN MY BOOKS," that's pretty racist. like i get that some writers would find the suggestion somewhat off-putting, but i can't come up with a single decent reason why you explicitly wouldn't. even if you just don't like being told what to do it's a very silly thing to throw a tantrum over, much more so for a professional writer.
my point is that i just don't see the issue. if it just doesn't occur to you that everyone you write is white then that's not necessarily your fault, but at the same time it's not good, as ideally you wouldn't have to have that pointed out to you before you did anything.
[editline]15th July[/editline]
i mean if writing was your day job you wouldn't get all huffy just at the suggestion would you? it's a very minor thing where the only negative consequence would be Klansmen not buying your books anymore[/QUOTE]
Maybe you just don't WANT to put a black kid in your books? Just like you don't WANT to put a red house, or a large dragon, or a fast tornado.
I can understand receiving suggestions but you don't necessarily have to put whatever is being suggested in just because someone doesn't feel represented.
[editline]16th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;45396959]Nah I think its good because it eventually winds up with everyone being forced to accept everyone else.
Also that dumb rating was an accident sorry. I'm on my phone and my fingers missed the reply button.[/QUOTE]
Being 'forced' to accept difference isn't a very stable long term goal. Even though there will be more tolerance, it is essentially fake tolerance.
"Street" version of the hungry caterpillar please
[QUOTE=Arctic Snow;45398180]
Being 'forced' to accept difference isn't a very stable long term goal. Even though there will be more tolerance, it is essentially fake tolerance.[/QUOTE]
nobody is being "forced" to do anything.
why can't people read this article, be all like "Ok. Good suggestion. I, an adult, haven't read enough children's books to be aware of a problem but I agree, on principal, that children's books should represent everybody" and then move on with their lives? why do you people have to take offense at the mildest statements imaginable?
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