[QUOTE=Miskatonic;29329179]
Yeah, it's real shit :rolleyes:. Cuba, especially Havana, is reminiscent to most other countries. Istanbul Turkey comes to mind.[/QUOTE]
You could probably find similar scenes in Mogadishu, that's a horrible way to make a country look good.
[QUOTE=Miskatonic;29329179]Here's Cuba taken from various Flickr's among other places.
[img_thumb]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5299/5446254947_3397b3b886_b.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4097/5446198781_85ea957a1b_b.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://www.studylanguages.org/images/cuba/havana2.jpg[/img_thumb]
Yeah, it's real shit :rolleyes:. Cuba, especially Havana, is reminiscent to most other countries. Istanbul Turkey comes to mind.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://photos.afghanmania.com/img/2/3/2/kabul-1970_223_l.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ynjeCKiH7EY/0.jpg[/img]
[img]http://aan-afghanistan.com/beelden/KDH%20city%20gate.jpg[/img]
Wow look at this nice country it looks like a nice vacation spot.
Take a guess where it is.
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[QUOTE=5killer;29328886]Take what you want out of it.[/QUOTE]
They must all be cause by the U.S. it's actually a great country it's just the U.S. oppressing them.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;29323522]Stability is more important than political freedom.[/QUOTE]
"I am a stalwart supporter of the Patriot Act"
-Sobotnik, April 21st 2011.
"I think that an Authoritarian government is quite a good idea"
-Sobotnik, February 3rd 2011.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;29329533]"I think that an Authoritarian government is quite a good idea"
-Sobotnik, February 3rd 2011.[/QUOTE]
"The trouble with quotes on the internet is you can't tell if they are real or not"
-Sobotnik, July 17th 1456.
I'm really just taking the piss.
Cuba's medical universities are p good.
My dad is in Cuba right now, it's his third visit. I've been there once as well (no we did not sleep in hotels). Most people there are living mighty fine, and in general it's doing very well considering like half the world refuses to trade with them.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;29324768]Okay so almost zero unemployment, criminal activity quite low almost always food on the table and no meddling of the church in the government.[/QUOTE]
I think you mean "forced labour, dissenters facing trumped-up charges in kangaroo courts, deliberate mass starvation and a corrupt self-interested dictatorship of a government".
the third part of this video pretty much outlines the future of the world. it sounds like communism, but if you dig deeper its really not similar to any type of communism around. in a way its a true democracy.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w&t=2h21m00s[/media]
[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;29332193]I think you mean "forced labour, dissenters facing trumped-up charges in kangaroo courts, deliberate mass starvation and a corrupt self-interested dictatorship of a government".[/QUOTE]
Got any proof?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;29323522]Stability is more important than political freedom.[/QUOTE]
Why?
[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;29332193]I think you mean "forced labour, dissenters facing trumped-up charges in kangaroo courts, deliberate mass starvation and a corrupt self-interested dictatorship of a government".[/QUOTE]
You're thinking of Maoist China.
Try harder next time.
[QUOTE=captainHOE;29335194]Why?[/QUOTE]
Imagine this situation.
You live in a nation that is relatively well off, you have enough food to keep you fed and enjoy much higher standards of living than in many other nations. However you have no say in politics, and trying to stir up trouble will get you arrested.
Now imagine a bunch of liberal intellectuals from a university decide to stir up trouble for their best interests. A revolution occurs, during which many people are killed, lose their possessions, families and the such. The new government will go through several radical forms rapidly in order to make sure the new system survives. This means civil wars, attempted coups, rebellions, riots, raping, pillaging, looting and general breakdown. Once the new government finally secures power you will be left with a ruined nation, and be struggling to find scraps of food wherever you can.
In the case of France it was in continual war for 20 years, the nation was completely ruined and millions died in one of the largest and most costly wars in the history of the world. Russia was even worse as nearly everyone accused of being German was murdered, there was a huge civil war and despite all the death and destruction and horror that even drove people to cannibalism and valuing human life very little a insane dictator was put in power that ensured many many more would die. Had the Tsar stayed around then at least Russia would not have suffered this.
Anybody who prefers the latter is a madman.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;29335991]Imagine this situation.
You live in a nation that is relatively well off, you have enough food to keep you fed and enjoy much higher standards of living than in many other nations. However you have no say in politics, and trying to stir up trouble will get you arrested.
Now imagine a bunch of liberal intellectuals from a university decide to stir up trouble for their best interests. A revolution occurs, during which many people are killed, lose their possessions, families and the such. The new government will go through several radical forms rapidly in order to make sure the new system survives. This means civil wars, attempted coups, rebellions, riots, raping, pillaging, looting and general breakdown. Once the new government finally secures power you will be left with a ruined nation, and be struggling to find scraps of food wherever you can.
In the case of France it was in continual war for 20 years, the nation was completely ruined and millions died in one of the largest and most costly wars in the history of the world. Russia was even worse as nearly everyone accused of being German was murdered, there was a huge civil war and despite all the death and destruction and horror that even drove people to cannibalism and valuing human life very little a insane dictator was put in power that ensured many many more would die. Had the Tsar stayed around then at least Russia would not have suffered this.
Anybody who prefers the latter is a madman.[/QUOTE]
Napoleon did more good for Europe than he did bad.
[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;29301601]Hopefully this will be the beginning of a new era in Cuba. Maybe something will happen with his brother that gets rid of communism and everybody can live in [b]perfect democratic harmony[/b].[/QUOTE]
hahahahahahahah
[QUOTE=amute;29334659]Got any proof?[/QUOTE]
You're right Cuba is a paragon of human rights and quality of life.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;29336443]You're right Cuba is a paragon of human rights and quality of life.[/QUOTE]
Did I say that?
I'm just saying it's not the second coming of North Korea like capitalluz makes it out to be. He has never been there, nor does he have any proof or a base to make those claims on. He made up the bullshit about 'forced starvation' which his an outright lie.
[QUOTE=amute;29337946]Did I say that?
I'm just saying it's not the second coming of North Korea like capitalluz makes it out to be. He has never been there, nor does he have any proof or a base to make those claims on. He made up the bullshit about 'forced starvation' which his an outright lie.[/QUOTE]
The forced starvation was in reference to Yaik9a's post about the Soviet Union.
[QUOTE=amute;29337946]Did I say that?
I'm just saying it's not the second coming of North Korea like capitalluz makes it out to be. He has never been there, nor does he have any proof or a base to make those claims on. He made up the bullshit about 'forced starvation' which his an outright lie.[/QUOTE]
I don't think forced labor is that far out there though.
[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;29338457]The forced starvation was in reference to Yaik9a's post about the Soviet Union.[/QUOTE]
The soviet Union and Cuba aren't the same country.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;29301591]Seems reasonable. He is an old man and probably needs some rest after his political dominance in Cuba for decades.[/QUOTE]
His cigars are no longer long and packed with energy.
[QUOTE=amute;29328799]I think no walmarts is a good thing.
And I've been there too, and it's no where NEAR as fucking post-apocalyptic as you're making it out to be.
Most, if not all, supply shortages can be attributed to the US. So again, thank them.
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[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Cuba[/URL]
Not really, The CCP is given privileges, but that's about it. They're pampered more then anything.
And again, that's outright bullshit. They have civil rights.[/QUOTE]
They have parties but they aren't allowed to run in elections did you even read the article?
[quote]All of the parties with the exception of the Communist Party of Cuba are unprovided for by the Constitution, thereby making such parties unlawful.[/quote]
There's an entire paragraph about how they ease up on that and almost don't factor it in directly under it. Did YOU even read the fucking article.
nice selective reading btw
[QUOTE=amute;29344216]There's an entire paragraph about how they ease up on that and almost don't factor it in directly under it. Did YOU even read the fucking article.
nice selective reading btw[/QUOTE]
do you honestly believe that the Castro would allow another party to gain power?
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;29345452]do you honestly believe that the Castro would allow another party to gain power?[/QUOTE]
Depending on the position. In local seats of government and in the other house of government, they HAVE. So yes, he would. In the main executive style branch? Probably not.
[QUOTE=amute;29337946]Did I say that?
I'm just saying it's not the second coming of North Korea like capitalluz makes it out to be. He has never been there, nor does he have any proof or a base to make those claims on. He made up the bullshit about 'forced starvation' which his an outright lie.[/QUOTE]
I'm just saying it's not the second coming of a Utopian society like angsty teenagers and college students with little to no life experience outside their own communities makes it out to be. You've never been there, nor do you have any proof or a base to make those claims on. You have no way of verifying the claims of Cuba being a better country to live in than the majority of Central and South American countries.
There's a reason there's 1.2 million people of cuban origin in the United States today. There's a reason 10,000 Cubans stormed the Peruvian embassy in Havana seeking political asylum in April of 1980. Food shortages due to Cuba refusing US aid after the Soviet Unions collapse is pretty much forced starvation by the government.
[quote]Black Spring refers to the 2003 crackdown on Cuban dissidents. The government imprisoned 75 dissidents, that included 29 journalists, as well as librarians, human rights activists, and democracy activists, on the basis that they were acting as agents of the United States by accepting aid from the US government. Amnesty International adopted 75 Cubans as prisoners of conscience.
The crackdown on grassroots activists began on March 18 and lasted two days.
Responding to human rights violations, the European Union imposed sanctions on the Castro regime in 2003, that were lifted on January 2008. The European Union declared that the arrests "constituted a breach of the most elementary human rights, especially as regards freedom of expression and political association".[/quote]
Castro shouldn't be exemplified as a leader like a lot of people here do. Raul maybe be setting the country on course now, but the regime under Castro made the country a pretty shit place to live. It's still not somewhere I'd want to live. I could care less about it's political origins, what matters is the quality of life and it's history with human rights.
I hate when people base their opinions about shit like this solely on news articles and positive things from an overall shitty country. Talk to the people that fled it for a better life.
[QUOTE=SwissArmyKnife;29345982]I'm just saying it's not the second coming of a Utopian society like angsty teenagers and college students with little to no life experience outside their own communities makes it out to be. You've never been there, nor do you have any proof or a base to make those claims on. You have no way of verifying the claims of Cuba being a better country to live in than the majority of Central and South American countries.
[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure amute said he's been there before.
[QUOTE=SwissArmyKnife;29345982]Food shortages due to Cuba refusing US aid after the Soviet Unions collapse is pretty much forced starvation by the government.
[/QUOTE]
Do you have a source for this? From what I've heard the US has been refusing to trade with Cuba, not the opposite. In fact, Cuba had a few hundred doctors ready to be shipped to the US after Hurricane Katrina to help out. The government said 'no, we don't need your help' like little children.
[QUOTE=SwissArmyKnife;29345982]I'm just saying it's not the second coming of a Utopian society like angsty teenagers and college students with little to no life experience outside their own communities makes it out to be.[/QUOTE]
Who has said this ever? Strawman arguments don't make you right.
[quote]You've never been there.[/quote]Yes I have.
[quote] nor do you have any proof or a base to make those claims on.[/quote]Burden of proof is on him.
[quote] You have no way of verifying the claims of Cuba being a better country to live in than the majority of Central and South American countries.[/quote]Never said this.
[quote]There's a reason there's 1.2 million people of cuban origin in the United States today. There's a reason 10,000 Cubans stormed the Peruvian embassy in Havana seeking political asylum in April of 1980.[/quote]Immigration doesn't mean a country is bad.
[quote]Food shortages due to Cuba refusing US aid after the Soviet Unions collapse is pretty much forced starvation by the government.[/quote]First, the US has kept an embargo on Cuba for ages. Bleeding it dry of supplies. Second, Cuba hasn't refused US aid. In comparison, the US has refused Cuban aid.
[quote]Castro shouldn't be exemplified as a leader like a lot of people here do. Raul maybe be setting the country on course now, but the regime under Castro made the country a pretty shit place to live. It's still not somewhere I'd want to live. I could care less about it's political origins, what matters is the quality of life and it's history with human rights.
I hate when people base their opinions about shit like this solely on news articles and positive things from an overall shitty country. Talk to the people that fled it for a better life.[/quote]Again, you're pretty much acting like if someone dislikes it IT MUST BE LIKE NORTH KOREA HOLY SHIT. Castro IMPROVED the country greatly from the past dictatorship propped up by the US. And dealt with nothing but crippling economic effects brought on by the US.
For a mute person you sure do talk a lot.
[QUOTE=Stupideye;29346334]I'm pretty sure amute said he's been there before.
Do you have a source for this? From what I've heard the US has been refusing to trade with Cuba, not the opposite. In fact, Cuba had a few hundred doctors ready to be shipped to the US after Hurricane Katrina to help out. The government said 'no, we don't need your help' like little children.[/QUOTE]
Regardless the economic policies of Castro still would not work, even if the US embargo wasn't in place.
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