[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;29347238]For a mute person you sure do talk a lot.[/QUOTE]
Well it needs to be told that not all dictatorships are ass backwards ruined nations like North Korea.
[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;29332193]I think you mean "forced labour, dissenters facing trumped-up charges in kangaroo courts, deliberate mass starvation and a corrupt self-interested dictatorship of a government".[/QUOTE]
I hope you understand In not talking about 50's and 40's USSR as most believe they where stuck in. Late 50's,60's,70's and early 80's was great time in soviet union and far better then Russia now or then.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;29356092]I hope you understand In not talking about 50's and 40's USSR as most believe they where stuck in. Late 50's,60's,70's and early 80's was great time in soviet union and far better then Russia now or then.[/QUOTE]
This is correct.
[QUOTE=Miskatonic;29358023]This is correct.[/QUOTE]
70s Russia was one of the best places to live in, despite being ruled by so called "Communist dictators"
My grandmother told me of when she went to Russia, and how everybody seemed very well off. You would have Russians come up to her and offer her bread and salt, inviting her into their home to have a nice time.
She also went to various stores and was amazed at how cheap everything was, she bought a platinum/gold watch I believe for a good price.
[QUOTE=Earthen;29350781]Regardless the economic policies of Castro still would not work, even if the US embargo wasn't in place.[/QUOTE]
Look at Cuba when they were trading heavily with the USSR, they were doing just fine. When the USSR dissolved they started having lots of trouble economically, as their biggest possible trading partner had a embargo on them.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;29335991]Imagine this situation.
You live in a nation that is relatively well off, you have enough food to keep you fed and enjoy much higher standards of living than in many other nations. However you have no say in politics, and trying to stir up trouble will get you arrested.
Now imagine a bunch of liberal intellectuals from a university decide to stir up trouble for their best interests. A revolution occurs, during which many people are killed, lose their possessions, families and the such. The new government will go through several radical forms rapidly in order to make sure the new system survives. This means civil wars, attempted coups, rebellions, riots, raping, pillaging, looting and general breakdown. Once the new government finally secures power you will be left with a ruined nation, and be struggling to find scraps of food wherever you can.
In the case of France it was in continual war for 20 years, the nation was completely ruined and millions died in one of the largest and most costly wars in the history of the world. Russia was even worse as nearly everyone accused of being German was murdered, there was a huge civil war and despite all the death and destruction and horror that even drove people to cannibalism and valuing human life very little a insane dictator was put in power that ensured many many more would die. Had the Tsar stayed around then at least Russia would not have suffered this.
Anybody who prefers the latter is a madman.[/QUOTE]
Those who give up their liberties for security end up with neither. In the situation you've described, what's to stop the political party in power slowly sliding into extremism? You can't disenfranchise people like that, it's imperative that people get a say in who rules; power arises from the consent of the governed (yes I stole that from Toy Story 3)
[QUOTE=Splurgy_A;29360136]Those who give up their liberties for security end up with neither. In the situation you've described, what's to stop the political party in power slowly sliding into extremism? You can't disenfranchise people like that, it's imperative that people get a say in who rules; power arises from the consent of the governed (yes I stole that from Toy Story 3)[/QUOTE]
Then simply change the minds of people so the the current regime consents them. The more powerful the state, the more powerful the individual.
You may also note that the entire feudal system upon which most of Europe relied on for one thousand years was basically making somebody protect you in return for services, a system in which the poor and middle classes had little to no say at all, yet out of Europe emerged superpowers.
[QUOTE=Splurgy_A;29360136]Those who give up their liberties for security end up with neither. In the situation you've described, what's to stop the political party in power slowly sliding into extremism? You can't disenfranchise people like that, it's imperative that people get a say in who rules; power arises from the consent of the governed (yes I stole that from Toy Story 3)[/QUOTE]
I hope you understand that just because the american founding fathers said something does not mean anything.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;29367258]I hope you understand that just because the american founding fathers said something does not mean anything.[/QUOTE]
All the founding fathers were was a bunch of inbred rich sods who wanted to run themselves rather than the richer, more inbred bigger sods in London, and engineered a revolution to benefit them the most. It was a revolution in every respect that the government before was replaced with an exact copy after.
He's 84, it was bound to happen eventually.
[QUOTE=TheForeigner;29301983]He spent the billion dollar bill he got from homer[/QUOTE]
it was a trillion dollar bill
change it or i'll fucking kill you i love the simpsons
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;29368631]All the founding fathers were was a bunch of inbred rich sods who wanted to run themselves rather than the richer, more inbred bigger sods in London, and engineered a revolution to benefit them the most. It was a revolution in every respect that the government before was replaced with an exact copy after.[/QUOTE]
I didn't realize America was a constitutional monarchy.
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