• Obama administration moves forward with unique internet ID for all Americans
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[QUOTE=TamTamJam;27319109]I wish the internet didn't have any laws.[/QUOTE] CP industry would boom
If this is: [b]A:[/b] A sort of log-in necessary to connect to the internet that identifies you to your ISP, the government, etc., essentially usable to trace anything you do back to you; then I am NOT OKAY with it. If this is: [b]B:[/b] An optional ID that can be input when making purchases or logging into certain websites to confirm your identity; then I am OKAY with it. It seems to be possibility B, so I don't have a major problem other than the chance that it may be a gateway to possibility A in the future.
[QUOTE=Skyhawk;27319224]If this is: [b]A:[/b] A sort of log-in necessary to connect to the internet that identifies you to your ISP, the government, etc., essentially usable to trace anything you do back to you; then I am NOT OKAY with it. [/QUOTE] your isp already knows who you are [editline]9th January 2011[/editline] and saying no against internet neutrality is a step towards A so if anything, blame idiots in congress who don't understand any concept relating to the internet
[QUOTE=Alaskan Wolf;27318698]The republicans have one thing right: Less government control; Better government. (At the most basic level of the saying.)[/QUOTE] Too bad every time they're elected they do the opposite of those two things
[QUOTE=thisispain;27319588]and saying no against internet neutrality is a step towards A so if anything, blame idiots in congress who don't understand any concept relating to the internet[/QUOTE] We need to get these old dumbasses out of the government and get more young people in here so we have some people who understand the internet.
So, basically if you have somehow been given a keylogger through spyware, and your ID is picked out of what was sent, you're fucked. How would you get a new ID or canceling your current one?
[QUOTE=thisispain;27319588]your isp already knows who you are[/QUOTE] I meant as an individual instead of as a household, but yeah, you're right.
I don't know what the point of this ID system is. It sounds like OpenID, so I don't see why we need this. Also, sites still have to implement this ID system if you want to login with your government ID. Rest assured, 99% of the web won't bother to implement this as evidenced by the adoption rate of OpenID.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;27320603]I don't know what the point of this ID system is. It sounds like OpenID, so I don't see why we need this. Also, sites still have to implement this ID system if you want to login with your government ID. Rest assured, 99% of the web won't bother to implement this as evidenced by the adoption rate of OpenID.[/QUOTE] I [i]think[/i] it's essentially OpenID but with your identity actually verified by the government.
[QUOTE=Niteshifter;27316533]One step closer for Americans to become a number rather than a person.[/QUOTE] We already are, the day we're born we're assigned a number, and that's what identifies us as us from then on
it's the fucking illuminati man they're trying to fucking control us we're all fucked
Oh fuck.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;27316743]Oh God, they're moving into the Internet. Shangri-La is going to be attacked![/QUOTE] It was bound to fall apart sooner or later...hell private companies have already become draconian with the internet. [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=TheTalon;27321906]We already are, the day we're born we're assigned a number, and that's what identifies us as us from then on[/QUOTE] Doesn't every government do that...and you know what. Its not just the states...every god damn country has this problem. You could go as small as colleges doing this. The government doesn't care about a singular person because its not just them...its a fucking ton of them. ME said it best. "We're part of the community, but we're one of many. It'll take time for them to get to us."
Fuck you government I won't do it. I like my passwords thank you very much. I don't need [i]you[/i] protecting my accounts for me I can do it just fine without you having access.
[QUOTE=Niteshifter;27316533]One step closer for Americans to become a number rather than a person.[/QUOTE] It isn't a national ID. It is intended as a method of confirming your identification online more effectively in order to avoid identity theft and related forms of fraud. Not that I agree with the measure. We have other things which need attention and I don't really feel like the government needs to be involved in this at all.
but obama is the perfect overlord leader of the planet he never does anything wrong death to republicans
[QUOTE=Telepethi;27322973]Fuck you government I won't do it. I like my passwords thank you very much. I don't need [i]you[/i] protecting my accounts for me I can do it just fine without you having access.[/QUOTE] Holy shit you people are fucking ridiculous. This is fucking optional. Learn to read. [editline]9th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Amplar;27323920]but obama is the perfect overlord leader of the planet he never does anything wrong death to republicans[/QUOTE] No one in here is saying anything like that dumb ass.
[QUOTE=Amplar;27323920]but obama is the perfect overlord leader of the planet he never does anything wrong death to republicans[/QUOTE] oh okay how well thought out of a post
Some people might actually want to take the time to read the article, or at least the other posts in this thread. It's been gone over numerous times that this is optional, but I'm sure it won't be the last.
[QUOTE=CoilingTesla;27320494]So, basically if you have somehow been given a keylogger through spyware, and your ID is picked out of what was sent, you're fucked. How would you get a new ID or canceling your current one?[/QUOTE] Here in Denmark we have a government based ID system that uses one-time pads to provide uncrackable security, so even if they know your password they don't know your pad codes and vice versa.
Eh, even the notion it's being initiated by the government makes me do not want.
So wait, it's just digital certificates that would be standardized enough to be used on any site? I can't really see the point of that, except for online banking. And online banking without using a certificate/external card reader/some other security device is pretty pointless
[QUOTE=Murkrow;27325108]So wait, it's just digital certificates that would be standardized enough to be used on any site? I can't really see the point of that, except for online banking. And online banking without using a certificate/external card reader/some other security device is pretty pointless[/QUOTE] Which is why it's for transactions.
[QUOTE=thisispain;27318118]fyi when your paypal account gets hijacked you'd wish you had one of these[/QUOTE] Except it won't get hijacked. And it's hooked right into my bank as well so i'd know it was hijacked long before any transaction gets through. I don't need people to manage my passwords for me-- its pretty easy to be smart with passwords. [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;27318504]I wasn't being overly literal, I just responded to what he said. I asked what rights the US government removed, he responded with "The birth of national security", then quoted Ben Franklin. I had nothing to respond to other than those two things, as his last two sentences weren't relevant to my question. He didn't actually tell me about any rights that have been removed, so no, I am nowhere near convinced he "knows exactly what he's fucking talking about".[/QUOTE] Maybe it isn't human rights that have been restricted. More like privacy, I'd say. There's no need for a warrant if you're a 'suspected terrorist,' is all I'm saying. It's just a little unnerving. America, land of the free. Unless you might-quite-possibly-maybe-be-a-terrorist Have you seen how loosely they throw the term "terrorist" around? [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] You are very right though. It is optional. But just wait until another 'cyber' threat scares us all and then suddenly we all require unique 'identification.' I would say that it isn't far off until we'll all need to be registered before we can use the internet, for our own safety of course. Please detect the dripping sarcasm. [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] BTW Enjoy your RFID american passport. I'm sure that little tidbit is required to protect you too, right? Allowing whoever it is that monitors that to see where exactly you are in the world. Yeah, pretty fucked up.
You see this whole thing is designed for financial transactions and for people who have a lot of passwords. Having everything stored on one place may make it easier to remember passwords but problems could arise if someone manages to spoof that id. (Assuming that you’re unique ID would be stored on server side) Hackers aren’t the only problem that I could foresee with this. Technically if the police wanted to they could use the ID to see what you have being accessing without a warrant. A system like that is open to a lot of abuse. If this system does work out then maybe it might be adopted by other countries but they might try to make it mandatory but that is very unlikely to happen. (Insert China Joke) As for the argument that this stuff will lead to the internet being filtered, it’s not going to happen. If you look at your country’s history, most of the time your privacy laws swing around like a pendulum. The internet is not going anytime soon, honestly you and the government are prone to making mistakes but it is good to not always trust the government. Question stuff but don’t end up paranoid otherwise you end up screaming about Jews did 9/11 and other silly thing. As Fox News says be fair and balanced and you will usually get the right answer.
I don't recall remembering passwords to be a problem. I much prefer remembering my passwords to having an ID card someone can steal and use. This system is ridiculous, just like almost every other "security" measure the government has taken since 9/11. If you can't learn to protect yourself while online, and you have problems with identity theft, that's no one's problem but your own.
We need bad reading back.
I'd like to shout out some conspiracy theories but i rather not to do that.
I foresee horrifying consequences from this. :colbert:
[QUOTE=DrMortician;27327105]I don't recall remembering passwords to be a problem. I much prefer remembering my passwords to having an ID card someone can steal and use. This system is ridiculous, just like almost every other "security" measure the government has taken since 9/11. If you can't learn to protect yourself while online, and you have problems with identity theft, that's no one's problem but your own.[/QUOTE] There is no ID card why is nobody reeaaadiiinnnngggg
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