• Scott Brown Tries Balancing Act as Tea Party Favorite in a Blue State
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[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21354437] You were almost correct...[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/58_of_GOP_not_suredont_beleive_Obama_born_in_US.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21354583][url]http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/58_of_GOP_not_suredont_beleive_Obama_born_in_US.html[/url][/QUOTE] "58 percent of GOP not sure/doubt Obama born in US" That doesn't mean that they believe he was born in Kenya And that's also not the Tea Party [editline]06:28PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Not Tishler;21354529][IMG]http://newsjunkiepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/912-TeaParty-DC-We-came-unarmed-this-time.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] I hope next time comes soon.
Where else would they think he's born, if neither America nor Kenya? I know I keep hearing accusations of Kenya :colbert:
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21354636]"58 percent of GOP not sure/doubt Obama born in US" That doesn't mean that they believe he was born in Kenya And that's also not the Tea Party [editline]06:28PM[/editline] I hope next time comes soon.[/QUOTE] I hope you die now
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21354636]"58 percent of GOP not sure/doubt Obama born in US" That doesn't mean that they believe he was born in Kenya[/QUOTE] But it does mean that they believe in something really really ridiculous, like that a massive conspiracy to allow someone not born in the U.S. to become the president for some undiscernable reason is plausible despite all of the evidence to the contrary. [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21354636]And that's also not the Tea Party[/QUOTE] They overlap significantly. So do you think teabaggers are more likely to believe Obama's a citizen than regular republicans?
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;21354734]Where else would they think he's born, if neither America nor Kenya? I know I keep hearing accusations of Kenya :colbert:[/QUOTE] Possibly Indonesia where he was raised, maybe the Moon? I don't know or care, but that doesn't mean you get to put words in their mouths. Also notice how it says doubt, that doesn't mean they have an idea where he was born, they just don't think it was America.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21354636] I hope next time comes soon.[/QUOTE] yep violently overthrowing democratically elected representatives who aren't oppressing or persecuting anyone at all is a great thing (but god forbid anyone use smear tactics while doing it) democracy is only a good thing when your side wins
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21354858]yep violently overthrowing democratically elected representatives who aren't oppressing or persecuting anyone at all is a great thing (but god forbid anyone use smear tactics while doing it) democracy is only a good thing when your side wins[/QUOTE] Actually there was one of the lowest voter turnouts ever and Obama barely won, and a lot of the people who voted for Obama now regret it, so my guess is if there was an election tomorrow Obama would be out the door.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21354846]Possibly Indonesia where he was born, maybe the Moon? I don't know know or care, but that doesn't mean you get to put words in their mouths. Also notice how it says doubt, that doesn't mean they have an idea where he was born, just not America.[/QUOTE] but to believe he wasn't born in america contradicts all the evidence he was and supposes a massive, convoluted conspiracy that would allow something like that to happen. It doesn't matter where they think he was born, to think he was born anywhere outside the us is crazy illogical
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21354901]but to believe he wasn't born in america contradicts all the evidence he was and supposes a massive, convoluted conspiracy that would allow something like that to happen. It doesn't matter where they think he was born, to think he was born anywhere outside the us is crazy illogical[/QUOTE] I don't care where Obama was born, it doesn't matter to me because he's president now anyway. That doesn't make it right to claim that a significant portion of the Tea Party thinks he was born in Kenya because that is simply not true, and by saying that you are a weasel.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21354900]Actually there was one of the lowest voter turnouts ever and Obama barely won, and a lot of the people who voted for Obama now regret it, so my guess is if there was an election tomorrow Obama would be out the door.[/QUOTE] [img]http://seobr.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/google_search_results_obama_mccain.png?w=419&h=244[/img] Barely won? You don't know shit, just leave.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21354900]Actually there was one of the lowest voter turnouts ever and Obama barely won,[/QUOTE] what are you talking about, voter turnout in the 2008 election increased significantly over the previous presidential election [url]http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/voting/013995.html[/url] [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21354900] and a lot of the people who voted for Obama now regret it, so my guess is if there was an election tomorrow Obama would be out the door.[/QUOTE] but there isn't an election tomorrow. It doesn't matter if people regret voting for him, unless the president commits a crime, resigns, or dies, he remains in office for the whole term. The founding fathers didn't envision a system of representative democracy where you kick out people the moment they become unpopular. [editline]04:43PM[/editline] [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21354962]That doesn't make it right to claim that a significant portion of the Tea Party thinks he was born in Kenya because that is simply not true, and by saying that you are a weasel.[/QUOTE] But if polls are anything to be believed, it is true. The GOP and tea party movement greatly overlap, and a majority of the GOP doubts that obama was born in the u.s.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21355013][img]http://seobr.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/google_search_results_obama_mccain.png?w=419&h=244[/img] Barely won? You don't know shit, just leave.[/QUOTE] I like how you use faulty graphs to try to illustrate your point. The first thing that may have caught your eye is that the total amount there isn't even 100 million people, less than a third of the population. Second, it says GOOGLE SEARCH RESULTS at the bottom. Maybe you should be the one leaving? Obama got 52.9% of the votes, where I come from that's a barely.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21354636]I hope next time comes soon.[/QUOTE] You want the Tea Party protests to turn violent? [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21354900]Actually there was one of the lowest voter turnouts ever and Obama barely won, and a lot of the people who voted for Obama now regret it, so my guess is if there was an election tomorrow Obama would be out the door.[/QUOTE] Actually, there was one of the highest turnouts ever, and Obama won by a sizable margin. [editline]06:49PM[/editline] [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21355173]I like how you use faulty graphs to try to illustrate your point. [B]The first thing that may have caught your eye is that the total amount there isn't even 100 million people, less than a third of the population.[/B] Second, it says GOOGLE SEARCH RESULTS at the bottom. Maybe you should be the one leaving? [B]Obama got 52.9% of the votes, where I come from that's a barely.[/B][/QUOTE] i didn't know kids could vote now obama won 53% of the vote, mccain won 46% that's a pretty big win
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21354846]Possibly Indonesia where he was raised, maybe the Moon? I don't know or care, but that doesn't mean you get to put words in their mouths. Also notice how it says doubt, that doesn't mean they have an idea where he was born, they just don't think it was America.[/QUOTE] So in response to me saying I actually have seen Teabaggers say he was born in Kenya, you're just telling me "lol i dunno"? [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21354900]Actually there was one of the lowest voter turnouts ever and Obama barely won, and a lot of the people who voted for Obama now regret it, so my guess is if there was an election tomorrow Obama would be out the door.[/QUOTE] I would say that low voter turnouts stem more from voter apathy caused by the unfairness of First Past The Post and your 2 Party System than anything else you may be implying. But that's another discussion for another day.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21355196]You want the Tea Party protests to turn violent? Actually, there was one of the highest turnouts ever, and Obama won by a sizable margin. [editline]06:49PM[/editline] i didn't know kids could vote now obama won 53% of the vote, mccain won 46% that's a pretty big win[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008#Turnout[/url] Democracy warrants the majority, sure Obama has a somewhat larger gap over McCain, but for a majority it's only 3%, which is incredibly tiny. Also I said it's eye catching, do you think that over 60% of the US are under 18, because that is also asinine.
Hey, uh, same voting system, and my country is led by someone with like 20-something per cent approval right now
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;21355254]So in response to me saying I actually have seen Teabaggers say he was born in Kenya, you're just telling me "lol i dunno"? I would say that low voter turnouts stem more from voter apathy caused by the unfairness of First Past The Post and your 2 Party System than anything else you may be implying. But that's another discussion for another day.[/QUOTE] You said where else would he be born like America and Kenya are the only 2 options. Also when did it become MY 2 party system? [QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21355031]But if polls are anything to be believed, it is true. The GOP and tea party movement greatly overlap, and a majority of the GOP doubts that obama was born in the u.s.[/QUOTE] So? That doesn't mean they think that he was necessarily born in Kenya, I think you've conveniently missed the point.
He's also much closer to a fascist than a lot of people are bitching about Obama being [editline]07:56PM[/editline] [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21355338]You said where else would he be born like America and Kenya are the only 2 options. Also when did it become MY 2 party system?[/QUOTE] They are the only 2 countries I've heard of him supposedly being born in, so I assumed they had more merit than the moon, my bad. And I slipped and made a possibly incorrect assumption. Whatever
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21355279][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008#Turnout[/URL] Democracy warrant the majority, sure Obama has a somewhat larger gap over McCain, but for a majority it's only 3%, which is incredibly tiny.[/QUOTE] but this doesn't matter. He was still democratically elected. Low voter turnout does not make the election any less valid (and if you had read my post, you'd see that there was a significant increase in voter turnout over the previous presidential election anyway) If someone didn't vote for anyone, major party or third party, then they can't really complain about who got elected president. [editline]04:58PM[/editline] [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21355338] So? That doesn't mean they think that he was necessarily born in Kenya, I think you've conveniently missed the point.[/QUOTE] that's beside the point. Ok, I should have said that teabaggers believe that Obama was born "outside the U.S." instead of specifically in "Kenya". Doesn't make their beliefs any more reasonable. [editline]04:59PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Triumph Forks;21355343]He's also much closer to a fascist than a lot of people are bitching about Obama being[/QUOTE] he's not. He's not close to anything radical. He's the most moderate president we've had since Bush senior. Bill Clinton was far more radical, but there wasn't this ridiculous a level of backlash against him. [editline]05:01PM[/editline] [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21355279] Democracy warrants the majority, sure Obama has a somewhat larger gap over McCain, but for a majority it's only 3%, which is incredibly tiny.[/QUOTE] It's a bigger gap than the 2004 election (2.5 percent) and the 2000 election (Gore won the popular vote)
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21355399]but this doesn't matter. He was still democratically elected. Low voter turnout does not make the election any less valid (and if you had read my post, you'd see that there was a significant increase in voter turnout over the previous presidential election anyway) If someone didn't vote for anyone, major party or third party, then they can't really complain about who got elected president. [editline]04:58PM[/editline] that's beside the point. Ok, I should have said that teabaggers believe that Obama was born "outside the U.S." instead of specifically in "Kenya". Doesn't make their beliefs any more reasonable.[/QUOTE] That still doesn't mean that the majority of people support Obama, when now over half the population does not support him. Either way I'm all for overthrowing the government. Also yes, that would be more correct, aside from the fact that the GOP and the Tea Party don't overlap so much that that statement would be accurate, neither of which is a survey conducted at random overly accurate. [QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21355399]It's a bigger gap than the 2004 election (2.5 percent) and the 2000 election (Gore won the popular vote)[/QUOTE] Except that's irrelevant because that's not what I'm arguing.
[img]http://www.barackobamahussein.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/election-results.jpg[/img] [img]http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/votemap2.png[/img] Yeah shut the fuck up
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21355503] Except that's irrelevant because that's not what I'm arguing.[/QUOTE] No, it's exactly what you're arguing. You're criticizing the election because he won by a small margin, but he won by a much larger margin than the two previous elections How about I show you some actual numbers. Barack Obama won the 2008 election (popular vote) by 7.2 percent [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Presidential_Election]source[/url] Bush won the 2004 election (popular vote) by 2.5 percent [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2004]source[/url] Bush won the 2000 election, even though he lost the popular vote by 0.5 percent[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000]source[/url] [editline]05:10PM[/editline] [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21355503]That still doesn't mean that the majority of people support Obama, when now over half the population does not support him. Either way I'm all for overthrowing the government.[/QUOTE] This is dumb and totally unamerican. You lost a legitimate election. America wasn't founded on the principal of "overthrow the government whenever you stop liking it".
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21355667]No, it's exactly what you're arguing. You're criticizing the election because he won by a small margin, but he won by a much larger margin than the two previous elections How about I show you some actual numbers. Barack Obama won the 2008 election (popular vote) by 7.2 percent [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Presidential_Election]source[/url] Bush won the 2004 election (popular vote) by 2.5 percent [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2004]source[/url] Bush won the 2000 election, even though he lost the popular vote by 0.5 percent[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000]source[/url][/QUOTE] No actually, I'm arguing that he barely won, and as the facts state the Bush barely won, I'd agree that Bush barely won, so where is the confusion here. [img]http://i42.tinypic.com/fnu1vk.jpg[/img] Thanks for the source Gummy! [QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21355667]This is dumb and totally unamerican. You lost a legitimate election. America wasn't founded on the principal of "overthrow the government whenever you stop liking it".[/QUOTE] Hah, actually America was founded because the colonists overthrew the British which they had stopped liking, and then they went up to set up a document that protects their right to overthrow the government again. I can't imagine anything more American than overthrowing the government.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21355789]No actually, I'm arguing that he barely won, and as the facts state the Bush barely won, I'd agree that Bush barely won, so where is the confusion here. [img]http://i42.tinypic.com/fnu1vk.jpg[/img] Thanks for the source Gummy! Hah, actually America was founded because the colonists overthrew the British which they had stopped liking, and then they went up to set up a document that protects their right to overthrow the government again. I can't imagine anything more American than overthrowing the government.[/QUOTE] Holy shit kill yourself, [editline]04:19PM[/editline] [url]http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/map.html[/url] Now fucking leave this thread, I hope you're trolling.
I was talking about Stephen Harper there, not Obama
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21355789] Hah, actually America was founded because the colonists overthrew the British which they had stopped liking, and then they went up to set up a document that protects their right to overthrow the government again. I can't imagine anything more American than overthrowing the government.[/QUOTE] ugh you don't know anything about the founding of the US at all. the constitution doesn't give anyone the right to overthrow the government. It gives people the right to keep the government in control by participating in it. They didn't overthrow the british because they "didn't like them", [B]they overthrew the british because they had no representation.[/B] The colonists had no say in how their nation was run. You do. You are able to vote. You have a say. If you lose, tough luck, but a majority of the people chose different from you. That doesn't mean you don't have a say.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21355881]Holy shit kill yourself, [editline]04:19PM[/editline] [url]http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/map.html[/url] Now fucking leave this thread, I hope you're trolling.[/QUOTE] Those are electoral votes...
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21355946]Those are electoral votes...[/QUOTE] How's about you look below that
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21355789]No actually, I'm arguing that he barely won, and as the facts state the Bush barely won, I'd agree that Bush barely won, so where is the confusion here. [img]http://i42.tinypic.com/fnu1vk.jpg[/img] Thanks for the source Gummy! Hah, actually America was founded because the colonists overthrew the British which they had stopped liking, and then they went up to set up a document that protects their right to overthrow the government again. I can't imagine anything more American than overthrowing the government.[/QUOTE] i agree with this man i propose we overthrow obama, then overthrow the next president, then overthrow the next, and so on. its what the founding father would've wanted
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