• Infinity Ward: PC petition "won't be ignored"
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[QUOTE=Slacker101;18696491]It won't change. They've gone down the console shit hole, now Valve are the only respectable, decent sized, developers that actually support PC fully. Tho they are starting to slide a bit with the l4d stuff but I feel thats more microsofts fault then valves.[/QUOTE] What do you mean by 'the l4d stuff'?
[QUOTE=dutchah;18697394]What do you mean by 'the l4d stuff'?[/QUOTE] Xbox 270 owners got the L4D2 Demo before us.
I don't care I play xbox. [editline]09:27AM[/editline] [QUOTE=T2L_Goose;18689483]PC gamers don't want to be treated like casual gamers, because we simply [B]aren't[/B].[/QUOTE] wouldn't you rather get triple A titles like fusion frenzy and rayman raving rabbids.
[QUOTE=radioactive;18697441]Xbox 270 owners got the L4D2 Demo before us.[/QUOTE] L4D2 plays better on PC anyway. As does pretty much any shooter.
Dedicated Server support would be grand. But I doubt anything will come of this petition. :frown:
[QUOTE=sp00ks;17931146]Why would anyone even want matchmaking? The Halo matchmaking is the worst idea ever. You can't even decide which map or game mode you want to play.[/QUOTE] Not to start a fanboywar, but you realize that by Randomly choosing a map, you mix up games quite a lot. Some people are amazing at one map, but have no strategy for winning as a team in another. It also helps against boosting, and you always have the option to Veto. And for the Game mode, what are you talking about? You pick the gamemode playlist, it wont be undecidable unless you're playing the XP-less Action Sack or Rumble Pit. Even if it is a different type of Flag or Assault, you can still Veto. Anyways, I'm all for the Petition, servers were pretty cool.
That's the one thing I dislike, the lack of being able to choose the map. Like yesterday, I was in the mood to snipe, and there's fucking ONE map in the whole game that's good for that. Getting to play the map took fucking forever.
I hate most mw2 maps. They're not sniper friendly, feel TOO small, even for 6v6 and don't have a feel that cod4 maps had.
[QUOTE=johanz;18698521]I hate most mw2 maps. They're not sniper friendly, feel TOO small, even for 6v6 and don't have a feel that cod4 maps had.[/QUOTE] That I agree with, that and the fact that sniper choice is extremely limited are the only two problems I've ever had with MW2. And those are even minuscule.
[QUOTE=seano12;18694557]Valve definitely treats us different , since they know PC gamers aren't casual[/QUOTE] Really. Pretty interesting Valve puts Popcap Games on Steam then.
[QUOTE=thisispain;18702865]Really. Pretty interesting Valve puts Popcap Games on Steam then.[/QUOTE] And yet they put stuff like l4d, cs and so on too. They are game shop, not hardcore shop
If playing those games makes me a "HARDCORE PC GAMER" then I should feel quite ashamed. Fuck, I've won money from playing Quake 3 and I still wouldn't call myself that.
No one is saying PC gamers are [B]HARDCORE[/B] gamers. PC gamers keep their computer up to date with the latest technology so they can get the very best experience out of their games. We don't want to play games that have been watered down for a simple controller. We don't want auto aim in our FPS games because the joystick is a terrible device to aim with. We don't want gimmicky matchmaking multiplayer instead of the freedom to chose our favorite server. That's what being a PC gamer is all about. Casual console gamers don't give a fuck. It's not like there is anything terribly wrong with being a console gamer, but you'd be a fucking retard (thisispain) to think that there isn't a difference between console gamers, and PC gamers.
I signed. Because I was bored.
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;18704627]No one is saying PC gamers are [B]HARDCORE[/B] gamers. [/QUOTE] Then what are you on about? [QUOTE=T2L_Goose;18704627]PC gamers keep their computer up to date with the latest technology so they can get the very best experience out of their games. [/QUOTE] Most people still run games with 4 year old cards and 2.2 Ghz of processing speed, hardly up to date. [QUOTE=T2L_Goose;18704627]We don't want to play games that have been watered down for a simple controller. [/QUOTE] Using the word watered down only works on stupid people. Having a PC game with overly-difficult controls is something you should scold people for, not encourage. [QUOTE=T2L_Goose;18704627]We don't want auto aim in our FPS games because the joystick is a terrible device to aim with.[/QUOTE] Your preference don't speak for anyone but yourself. You don't even call it the correct thing. In fact, auto aim is in PC games as well. [QUOTE=T2L_Goose;18704627]We don't want gimmicky matchmaking multiplayer instead of the freedom to chose our favorite server.[/QUOTE] I don't see how this even relates to anything. Console games have had browser surfing, PC games have had matchmaking. You're delusional. [QUOTE=T2L_Goose;18704627]That's what being a PC gamer is all about. [/QUOTE] No, that's what being a twat is about. [QUOTE=T2L_Goose;18704627]It's not like there is anything terribly wrong with being a console gamer, but you'd be a fucking retard (thisispain) to think that there isn't a difference between console gamers, and PC gamers.[/QUOTE] Yes, I'm a retard for not summing up everyone's feelings in a daft statement. Sorry about that, next time I'll humour your ridiculous statements by not questioning them. And your argument is stupid. You are automatically placing console gamers and PC gamers into hardcore and casual gaming "hemispheres". The word casual gaming does not refer to which pixel-shitting machine you choose to waste your life on. It refers to how dedicated you play a game. Might as well start calling all PC gamers lifeless nerds and all console gamers idiot fratboys because you are doing essentially the same thing. If you play WoW/Halo 3 231 hours a day, you can call yourself a hardcore gamer. Then you can yourself a dipshit for calling yourself the same thing Tim Buckley from that ghastly cartoon calls himself.
[QUOTE=thisispain;18708544]Most people still run games with 4 year old cards and 2.2 Ghz of processing speed, hardly up to date.[/quote] No, most gamers have something on par with or better than an 8800. It's sort of required to play anything released nowadays decently. [quote]Using the word watered down only works on stupid people. Having a PC game with overly-difficult controls is something you should scold people for, not encourage.[/quote] There is no such thing as difficult controls for a PC game, as you can always set your own controls. [quote]Your preference don't speak for anyone but yourself. You don't even call it the correct thing. In fact, auto aim is in PC games as well.[/quote] The fact remains that the mouse is a lot better and is a lot more accurate in aiming than a controller. Oh, and no modern game has auto-aim for the PC. Just shows how little you know about the subject. [quote]I don't see how this even relates to anything. Console games have had browser surfing, PC games have had matchmaking. You're delusional.[/quote] Matchmaking is ideal for the consoles, not for the PC's. [quote]No, that's what being a twat is about.[/quote] You'd know. [quote]Yes, I'm a retard for not summing up everyone's feelings in a daft statement. Sorry about that, next time I'll humour your ridiculous statements by not questioning them.[/quote] Right, because everyone totally agrees with you. Including the guy you're arguing with. :downs: [quote]And your argument is stupid. You are automatically placing console gamers and PC gamers into hardcore and casual gaming "hemispheres".[/quote] That's just how it works. There are casual PC gamers as well, but a significant amount are what some might call 'hardcore' or a little more than just casual. We don't need no pussy-ass matchmaking system babysitting us, we like and have the time to pick our own map and our own rules. [quote]The word casual gaming does not refer to which pixel-shitting machine you choose to waste your life on. It refers to how dedicated you play a game. Might as well start calling all PC gamers lifeless nerds and all console gamers idiot fratboys because you are doing essentially the same thing.[/quote] That's the thing, most 'dedicated' people would just buy a PC. The guys who just do it as a hobby (with the exception of the few 'hardcore' console users) are the ones who buy a console. [quote]If you play WoW/Halo 3 231 hours a day, you can call yourself a hardcore gamer.[/quote] A day only has 24 hours.
[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18709131]No, most gamers have something on par with or better than an 8800. It's sort of required to play anything released nowadays decently.[/QUOTE] That's about 4 years old. [QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18709131]There is no such thing as difficult controls for a PC game, as you can always set your own controls.[/QUOTE] Really? The difference in controls between HL2 and ArmA is: [QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18709131]The fact remains that the mouse is a lot better and is a lot more accurate in aiming that a controller.[/QUOTE] Again, completely preference. A mouse doesn't have anything that makes it more accurate than an analog stick. It's completely about how much time you spend on it. I've seen people make headshots across Bloodgulch with an Xbox controller. [QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18709131]Oh, and no modern game has auto-aim for the PC. Just shows how little you know about the subject.[/QUOTE] You are quite sure of yourself. [QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18709131]Matchmaking is ideal for the consoles, not for the PC's. [/QUOTE] Based on what? [QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18709131]Right, because everyone totally agrees with you. Including the guy you're arguing with. :downs: That's just how it works. There are casual PC gamers as well, but a significant amount are what some might call 'hardcore' or a little more than just casual. We don't need no pussy-ass matchmaking system babysitting us, we like and have the time to pick our own map and our own rules.[/QUOTE] I guess the whole custom map creation and level selecting I've been doing was a hallucination. You delude yourself. [QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18709131]That's the thing, most 'dedicated' people would just buy a PC. The guys who just do it as a hobby (with the exception of the few 'hardcore' console users) are the ones who buy a console.[/QUOTE] Most people dedicated to Halo 3 would buy a PC? [QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18709131]A day only has 24 hours.[/QUOTE] You obviously understood it was hyperbole, I don't even know what the point of that was. You insult me with your post. I was expecting something more than a simple nag.
Still chugging along with my AGP Radeon 9700 from 2003. I am a PC gamer. You can get a vague picture of a population by classifying people into different groups.. but not much more. Personally, I want dedicated servers & the ability to choose specifically which one to play on. This is because I've had this luxury for years. If console gamers had the same luxuries, they wouldn't want to ditch them either. Different control schemes fit different games. I wouldn't play Zelda w/ mouse and keyboard, and I don't feel like I have precise FPS aim with a joystick. It is subjective though. No point in arguing over subjective matters. The whole thing over dedicated/hardcore gamers is bullshit. Nothing but buzzwords. If I get a full-time job & can't afford to play games as often anymore, am I less of a gamer? Gimme a fucking break. In the game industry, the distinction between casual & hardcore gamers = those who play cheaply produced simple puzzle games(popcap,wii) and those who play complex big-budget games like CS:S/Halo/CoD etc. It's not about ego, it's about markets - One can get a lot of sales in the casual population, but very few from hardcore gamers, and vice-versa.
[QUOTE=thisispain;18709200]Really? The difference in controls between HL2 and ArmA is:[/quote] You missed the part where I mentioned you can change the controls based on your preferences. [quote]Again, completely preference. A mouse doesn't have anything that makes it more accurate than an analog stick. It's completely about how much time you spend on it. I've seen people make headshots across Bloodgulch with an Xbox controller.[/quote] Uh, yes it does. A controller is blocky whilst a mouse is fluid. A mouse is also a ton quicker and if you have twitch-aiming, you fucking automatically rape with a mouse. Can't quite twitch-aim with an analog joystick. [quote]You are quite sure of yourself.[/quote] Difference between you and I being that I'm right. [quote]Based on what?[/quote] What PC gamers want. [quote]I guess the whole custom map creation and level selecting I've been doing was a hallucination.[/quote] Can't do that with Modern Warfare 2, unless you start your own private match. [quote]Most people dedicated to Halo 3 would buy a PC?[/quote] It's a 360 exclusive, so I doubt it. [quote]You insult me with your post. I was expecting something more than a simple nag.[/QUOTE] Typical of you, always threadshitting and sitting back as people fall for the trollbait.
Your argument is going nowhere as it's you calling me a troll and saying "Nah it's not opinion, it's fact because I think so". Go bother someone who's interested in one-sided conversations.
My good man, I suggest you just stop arguing with thisispain, he seems to be one of the professional trolls on here,
Troll being codeword for "more intelligent". If you can't actually defeat me in an argument, that's a statement about you, not me. [editline]10:15PM[/editline] And actually, a lawyer would be a professional troll.
[QUOTE=dutchah;18710203]My good man, I suggest you just stop arguing with thisispain, he seems to be one of the professional trolls on here,[/QUOTE] Point taken.
[QUOTE=dutchah;18710203]My good man, I suggest you just stop arguing with thisispain, he seems to be one of the professional trolls on here,[/QUOTE] He's not a troll, he just doesn't agree.
[quote]That's just how it works. There are casual PC gamers as well, but a significant amount are what some might call 'hardcore' or a little more than just casual. We don't need no pussy-ass matchmaking system babysitting us, we like and have the time to pick our own map and our own rules.[/quote] And how might you tell that most PC Gamers are 'hardcore'? Have you realised that Mall Tycoon, Bejeweled, and various other games of the sort are PC Games too? I'd be joking if I'd call those games hardcore, and because of that, games of their type [I]certainly[/I] never sell, but look at this; The Sims 3, a very casual game, set a sales record for EA. Now, look at EA. Look at how many games they have going for the PC. Of all those games, none of them sold as much as The Sims 3, which is by no means a hardcore game. So, after looking at that, you claim that most PC gamers are hardcore? Pfffft.
so I think the petition was ignored just maybe
[QUOTE=thisispain;18710263] And actually, a lawyer would be a professional troll.[/QUOTE] Nice reference [editline]06:50AM[/editline] [QUOTE=sp00ks;18710320]He's not a troll, he just doesn't agree.[/QUOTE] No hes one of the high level trolls. He admitted it before :v:
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;18689483]PC gamers don't want to be treated like casual gamers, because we simply [B]aren't[/B].[/QUOTE] Yeah, but the problem is that HARDCORE GAMERS DON'T BUY THEIR GAMES
[QUOTE=j00g0t0wnd;18709131]No, most gamers have something on par with or better than an 8800. It's sort of required to play anything released nowadays decently.[/QUOTE] I hardly have an up-to-date computer yet I can play Modern warfare 2 good. = you don't need to be completely up-to-date to play new games
I hope they make dedicated servers, but I don't want modders to ruin the game. Welcome-musics, lazershows, regirester here, type this command there, no thanks. [editline]03:36PM[/editline] Oh and regarding the mouse vs. analogstick aiming hassle, try only using your thumb to move the mouse around and bind fire on your keyboard.
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