• Dota 2 Major Organizers have lost alot of Pro Player's items in miscommunication. Pics
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They also fired the entire production team. The latter production were pretty okay, so I wonder why they weren't hired in the first place.
[QUOTE=MacD11;49892900]Just keep in mind that Valve had next to no say in all of this, most of the blame should be directed towards Perfect World and their various sub contractors that have all made this event way too messy.[/QUOTE] At the end of the day you can suck Gabe's cock all you want. It doesn't change the fact that the onus is still on them to have proper oversight of one of [b]their[/b] signature tournaments. They obviously had effectively zero internal communication within valve itself over this, and even less communication with the companies they were working with. Besides that, the fact that they were able to fire the production team mid tournament sort of invalidates any argument to the contrary. They clearly have a large degree of influence over the event. They just chose to be lazy sacks of shit (again), and try to let people do everything for them. This has been the status quo at valve for years now, and it's finally starting to royally bite them in the ass. I say good riddance. They are becoming a dinosaur that needs to adapt or get killed off.
[QUOTE=V12US;49893045]Apparently they had enough influence to fire a caster for trying to save their disaster of a tournament.[/QUOTE] The whole thing is a mess but im pretty sure most of this isnt valve's fault. Lodging, the venue for the tournament, and managing stuff like that seems to be handled by Perfect World from everything I've read, I'd say firing a person who is casting it is kind of a different matter. Either way I don't think this is entirely valve's fault honestly. Sure, they may have screwed up in a few ways but Perfect World should be the ones mainly held responsible.
[QUOTE=MacD11;49893437]The whole thing is a mess but im pretty sure most of this isnt valve's fault. Lodging, the venue for the tournament, and managing stuff like that seems to be handled by Perfect World from everything I've read, I'd say firing a person who is casting it is kind of a different matter. Either way I don't think this is entirely valve's fault honestly. Sure, they may have screwed up in a few ways but Perfect World should be the ones mainly held responsible.[/QUOTE] Perfect world is shit. This is [I]common[/I] knowledge. Everything perfect world touches turns to shit if they don't have a babysitter holding their hand through everything. When you are forced to work with a genuinely fucking abysmal company you don't try the hands off approach if you have a single ounce of common sense in your body. You watch them like a hawk and stop problems before they become catastrophic. Valve completely and utterly failed to do this. As a result, the problems cascaded into each other, and the tournament became such a clusterfuck that it was unsalvageable.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;49893471]Perfect world is shit. This is [I]common[/I] knowledge. Everything perfect world touches turns to shit if they don't have a babysitter holding their hand through everything. When you are forced to work with a genuinely fucking abysmal company you don't try the hands off approach if you have a single ounce of common sense in your body. You watch them like a hawk and stop problems before they become catastrophic. Valve completely and utterly failed to do this. As a result, the problems cascaded into each other, and the tournament became such a clusterfuck that it was unsalvageable.[/QUOTE] I said this earlier: Valve can't fuck with perfect world while they hold control of the Chinese servers. If PW wants to host the major, they will host the major.
[QUOTE=KillRay;49893485]I said this earlier: Valve can't fuck with perfect world while they hold control of the Chinese servers. If PW wants to host the major, they will host the major.[/QUOTE] So how did the production company get sacked on the spot then?
So what exactly happened in Shanghai? I only caught this and Gaben firing some James dude on reddit the other day.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;49893512]So how did the production company get sacked on the spot then?[/QUOTE] Production is not the same as organizers. Perfect World organized the tournament. KeyTV produced it. And it wasn't on the spot. The new team didn't come in until the main event.
the gift that keeps on giving
[QUOTE=KillRay;49893609]Production is not the same as organizers. Perfect World organized the tournament. KeyTV produced it. And it wasn't on the spot. The new team didn't come in until the main event.[/QUOTE] The point is that they clearly had a fair amount of oversight to be able to do that at all. Why not stick their nose into things in the first place and prevent the problems from happening? Everything was obviously utterly trashed from the get-go. Were talking practice areas, time tables, rooming, and especially equipment. The venue itself was messed up, the players complained that the boxes reeked of glue. The monitors were not correct. No practice rooms at the venue. No/infrequent buses. Glaring holes in management. The laundry lists that have been posted so far are mind boggling, and it's a safe bet that even more will be exposed in the coming days. A handful of staff members making note of problems could have easily pointed out the vast majority of these things weeks before the event went live, and then we'd be looking at a mediocre tournament instead of a total shitshow. Don't get me wrong, perfect world fucked things up, and badly at that. They definitely should be blamed, but valve fucked up majorly as well by letting a company that is known to be horrifically bad run around without any apparent oversight, just operating on the assumption that everything would be fine.
[media]https://twitter.com/the_evany/status/706867342010023936[/media] Is this a game of football because they're really passing it.
Yeah, valve really needs to start touching the things they are doing. Their hands-off method worked fine when they were a collaboration of artists making great products. But now that they want to be Software giants, Game-Turnament giants And general Virtual Market giants, They will have to start actually involving themselves in the process. And is it just me, or do they seem to have a really hard time learning from prior mistakes? Like, take the greenlight thing for instance, they gave a thousand anonymous people free control in managing their own marketplace, and immediately hundreds of scam-artists, vultures and assorted frauds clogged it up and made it shit. Then they tried to make yet another unregulated marketplace in the Free skyrim mod fiasko, And again, Scam-artists, vultures and assorted frauds moved in and made it shit. And now they are letting what was apparently an openly shitty game company fuck up their public event because, again, they didn't want to actually involve themselves in the process. Just fucking sad.
maybe valve should just cease to exist as a company that's clearly the better solution as seen right here
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;49893850]The point is that they clearly had a fair amount of oversight to be able to do that at all. Why not stick their nose into things in the first place and prevent the problems from happening? Everything was obviously utterly trashed from the get-go. Were talking practice areas, time tables, rooming, and especially equipment. The venue itself was messed up, the players complained that the boxes reeked of glue. The monitors were not correct. No practice rooms at the venue. No/infrequent buses. Glaring holes in management. The laundry lists that have been posted so far are mind boggling, and it's a safe bet that even more will be exposed in the coming days. A handful of staff members making note of problems could have easily pointed out the vast majority of these things weeks before the event went live, and then we'd be looking at a mediocre tournament instead of a total shitshow. Don't get me wrong, perfect world fucked things up, and badly at that. They definitely should be blamed, but valve fucked up majorly as well by letting a company that is known to be horrifically bad run around without any apparent oversight, just operating on the assumption that everything would be fine.[/QUOTE] You can't fuck with chinese work ethic. The smell of glue that was in the booths tells me everything was set up days before. Valve did probably not have to expect they'd have to send an entire fucking team over there to build everything. Same with the VIP room, looks thrown together as an after thought. This was not an issue at DAC. Also, there was practice rooms. EG.PPDs first vlog was in one right as he got there. The bus thing happened for one day. Management yeah. And a lot of players said they were fine at the event. Moonmeander and most of OG have said that they were treaded well. [media][URL]https://twitter.com/MoonMeanderated/status/707263001984835584[/URL][/media] :snip: part, missunderstanding [editline]9th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sprockethead;49895974]And now they are letting what was apparently an openly shitty game company fuck up their public event because, again, they didn't want to actually involve themselves in the process. Just fucking sad.[/QUOTE] The only other event they've run before, DAC, was only plagued by lag (caused by china) and no english teams being invited (had to cast from home). It was not the same level of bad. It was on par with a lot of tournaments. [editline]9th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Banned?;49886813]There were a handful of players who laid out their complains after the fact, Eternal Envy being one I remember specifically on Liquid Dota. It didn't look like as much of a disaster as Shanghai because everyone wasn't complaining about it live on Twitter, and Gabe didn't call an invited host and ass on one of the biggest public message board in the world, but there were still issues the players had which didn't make it a fun tournament behind the scenes.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/478362-eternalenvys-positives-negatives-of-dac[/URL] Bringing up this, they did in fact learn from quite a few of these: Practice rooms Format was improved Server Hosting was improved Can't say anything about the on site staff. Seemed like a mixed bag about staff competence. At least there was more translators, and lobbies were hosted when delays were not bad. Schedule obviously worse due to delays.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;49885815]"Blame someone else. It's clearly not our responsibility." Classic China.[/QUOTE] woah
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What a clusterfuck. [QUOTE=Zephyrs;49885815]"Blame someone else. It's clearly not our responsibility." Classic China.[/QUOTE] So... Valve?
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;49885815]"Blame someone else. It's clearly not our responsibility." Classic China.[/QUOTE] How the hell can they justify that? Seriously, it's their staff who fucked up and left their stuff (expensive equipment, I might fucking add) and left it to be stolen.
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