"Has The iPhone Peaked?" Apple’s iPhone 4s Seen Outselling iPhone 5
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[QUOTE=Ezhik;38840124]lets complain about repetitive behavior in the daily 'apple sucks' thread[/QUOTE]
Actually this thread has been very calm and civilized, with only a few contained shitheads as-per-usual.
You're the one kicking up a fuss, much to the annoyance of others.
well i just said that iphones are a better choice for some people who don't want to bother with android's problems
or need things that android doesn't offer
then you told me that i'm not allowed to complain about stuff and here we are
Wow both of you just drop it and agree that Daniel M gives a whole new meaning to fandroid.
I'm actually surprised that the iPhone 5 hasn't done that well as it really is a nice change but then again the iPhone 4S is still a great device and will be for many updates.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;38840325]well i just said that iphones are a better choice for some people who don't want to bother with android's problems
or need things that android doesn't offer
then you told me that i'm not allowed to complain about stuff and here we are[/QUOTE]
At best you choose the wrong words to describe it then.
So maybe that's something you should keep in mind.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;38837589]Now you're just finding things to kick on
NFC - right now it's becoming big but yeah they should jump on
Expandable storage - well the Nexus brands, the google flagships aren't carrying around expandable storage solutions, what do you say to that?
Widgets - who needs them? Apple has those little blips that tell you if you've got something worth noting, pretty much like windows phone just less advanced
Voice recognition - it doesn't suck, it's pretty good, I think you were trying to find something to spit at there
Social integration - Whilst true, apps can use the api's and they can have other programs to share it with, like some photo editing apps have the ability to jump to instagram if they need to, and facebook. I think honestly it isn't a big feature
And again, the nexus 4 comes in 8gb and 16gb with [B][U]NO EXPANDABLE STORAGE WHATSOEVER[/U][/B], why didn't you even fucking point that out when you were going through your flaws on the iPhones?[/QUOTE]
You do realize though that the Nexus 4 is significantly cheaper than an iPhone, right? I can live without extra space in exchange for high end specs at mid range cost, I have yet to be convinced why anyone would want to pay a high end price for a phone that barely follows any industry standard (not just the retarded connector). Apple can't even decide which SIM size they want to use.
I'm not an Android fanboy though, I use a Nokia N9 with a dead end linux OS that took a few aesthetic choices from iOS (which I like, iOS has some pretty UI designs) and am so far enjoying it more than any other OS I've used before
[QUOTE=wewt!;38840552]You do realize though that the Nexus 4 is significantly cheaper than an iPhone, right? I can live without extra space in exchange for high end specs at mid range cost, I have yet to be convinced why anyone would want to pay a high end price for a phone that barely follows any industry standard (not just the retarded connector). Apple can't even decide which SIM size they want to use.
I'm not an Android fanboy though, I use a Nokia N9 with a dead end linux OS that took a few aesthetic choices from iOS (which I like, iOS has some pretty UI designs) and am so far enjoying it more than any other OS I've used before[/QUOTE]
His argument against iOS devices was lack of expandable storage but a lot of manufactures are moving away from it, I really don't care if I can't expand
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;38840573]His argument against iOS devices was lack of expandable storage but a lot of manufactures are moving away from it, I really don't care if I can't expand[/QUOTE]
Well that's a pretty silly argument, it should be used against all manufacturers that have stopped using physical expandable storage without a proper digital solution to replace it with.
Of course, Apple is one of them, but it's still a biased argument.
[SUB]there are so many other reasons to dislike the iPhone[/SUB]
I don't get why people don't like the new connector. It's not enormous anymore and it goes in on either side. Couldn't have asked for anything better as far as that goes.
also I don't think the iPhone has peaked, don't older iPhones get a price drop and sell a bunch alongside the new version every year? When the 4S came out, people were still buying 3GS's
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;38840634]I don't get why people don't like the new connector. It's not enormous anymore and it goes in on either side. Couldn't have asked for anything better as far as that goes.[/QUOTE]
A standard microUSB connector with mass storage mode
would've been cool
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;38840634]I don't get why people don't like the new connector. It's not enormous anymore and it goes in on either side. Couldn't have asked for anything better as far as that goes.[/QUOTE]
Because it's Apples special connector, meaning you can only buy them from apple
...for fucking £15, hell the new iPod touch wrist strap over here is £8 and it's just a strip of leather for gods sake
Whereas a microUSB cable can be picked up for a couple of quid, and pretty much every modern device uses it so chargers and cables can be swapped or used if needed
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;38840634]I don't get why people don't like the new connector. It's not enormous anymore and it goes in on either side. Couldn't have asked for anything better as far as that goes.[/QUOTE]
Because the fact that there's so many god damn accessories for the old connector was one of the reasons people bought Apple products.
But since apple both changed connector AND also included some sort of required hardware DRM in the cable, the newer accessories are also bound to get more expensive, and also limiting some manufacturers from making said accessories in the first place.
[url]http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/21/authentication_chips_discovered_in_teardown_of_apples_new_lightning_connector[/url]
And
[url]http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2272926[/url]
Not to mention
[url]http://pocketnow.com/2012/10/02/lightning-connector-awful[/url]
This has nothing to do with apple, more mobile phones in general. The exacct same thing can be said about the SGSII and III.
Anyone notice that Apple is going down the same road as Blackberry?
What I mean by that is blackberry came out with great products, very innovative and top of the line. Then they came out with the keyboard+trackball design.
They then released this same phone over and over again and look where that has got them. People are finally realizing that they are paying for a product that has been the same for years and it isn't offering anything new to the scene.
I feel like in a couple of years, 5 tops people will take the same attitude towards the iPhone unless Apple manages to do something different soon.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;38839852]
and as for videos i honestly have no idea why there aren't any proper editors
but when i wanted to make a short video with some transitions and pictures
i couldn't[/QUOTE]
I can't understand why one would try to edit a video on a phone, but here:
[url]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.goseet.VidTrim&feature=search_result[/url]
[url]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.magisto&feature=search_result[/url]
[url]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.techcatmobile.andromedia&feature=search_result[/url]
[url]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.androvid&feature=search_result[/url]
[url]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aviary.android.feather&feature=search_result[/url]
[url]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sec.android.app.ve&feature=search_result[/url]
[url]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.androvidpro&feature=search_result[/url]
Enjoy
Unless you're honestly suggesting that you buy the iPhone because it has iMovie installed for you, in which case that is utterly ridiculous. It's like when people say Macs are better because they have garageband, when the free counterparts are available on pretty much any OS
it was just an example of something i think iphones do better than android, which would make some people want to choose iphones over android
[editline]15th December 2012[/editline]
also one of those apps you posted is a photo editor, and the other is limited to one phone on one carrier
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;38837589]Now you're just finding things to kick on
NFC - right now it's becoming big but yeah they should jump on
Expandable storage - well the Nexus brands, the google flagships aren't carrying around expandable storage solutions, what do you say to that?
Widgets - who needs them? Apple has those little blips that tell you if you've got something worth noting, pretty much like windows phone just less advanced
Voice recognition - it doesn't suck, it's pretty good, I think you were trying to find something to spit at there
Social integration - Whilst true, apps can use the api's and they can have other programs to share it with, like some photo editing apps have the ability to jump to instagram if they need to, and facebook. I think honestly it isn't a big feature
And again, the nexus 4 comes in 8gb and 16gb with [B][U]NO EXPANDABLE STORAGE WHATSOEVER[/U][/B], why didn't you even fucking point that out when you were going through your flaws on the iPhones?[/QUOTE]
Well the thing is with Android you can actually make your own choices. Need expandable storage? Well then the iPhone and Nexus 4 are both out, but you still have a dozen other high-end Android phones to pick from. Want an "official" first-party device and expandable storage isn't an issue? Then the iphone and N4 are both options, but for a lot of people, Android's additional features are key. They were for me and that's why I got an N4. Also, I probably use my google calendar and evernote widgets more than the app drawer.
[QUOTE=wewt!;38840600]Well that's a pretty silly argument, it should be used against all manufacturers that have stopped using physical expandable storage without a proper digital solution to replace it with.
Of course, Apple is one of them, but it's still a biased argument.
[SUB]there are so many other reasons to dislike the iPhone[/SUB][/QUOTE]
apples digital solution is iCloud, googles solution is Drive and Microsoft is SkyDrive
[QUOTE=Dr Bob;38838838]Did you make up these statistics?[/QUOTE]
OK, yeah I did. You'll notice that I didn't come up with something exact.
And the LinkedIn stat is a wild ass guess on my part but you have to be an idiot to not realize that "80% for Facebook, Twitter, Instagram" is within the right ballpark.
The ipad mini's pretty pointless as well.
It's just an over sized iphone that's incapable of phoning anyone
technically it's a larger ipod touch
i know i'm probably covering the same ground as others here but i don't think the point is whether the iPhone 5 is a better phone than the 4s is because that will totally depend on how you define "better" for that argument. I think what's more important is if the new iPhone offers enough advantage for the extra £50-£60 you pay between the 4s and 5. If the average user won't see any use from the added features then it's unlikely they'll upgrade except for the show-off factor that Apple benefit from.
Honestly, i don't think people generally shop for the right handset for themselves or consider cheaper alternatives to an iPhone But if one iPhone doesn't off much of an upgrade over the previous they'll wait for the S version.
[QUOTE=TaniaTiger;38842064]The ipad mini's pretty pointless as well.
It's just an over sized iphone that's incapable of phoning anyone[/QUOTE]
Yeah and the Nexus 7 is just an oversized Nexus 4.
I just don't like phones that I can't fit in my pocket
Okay so I'm a fanboy for thinking that my device I bought for $300 off contract is amazing because it has the specs, the amazing build quality I've wanted in Android devices for a long time and the software support is great?
I just don't understand what the problem is. No matter how you put it, you're paying $350 extra (or you're paying an extra $50 on your monthly bill) for a smaller screen, software with less features, fragmented applications.
Yeah you get LTE (which drains battery life) and you get the shiny aluminum back plate. Does that make it worth the extra money? Or justify the loss of dozens of features Android 4.2 has? I don't think so. What about the processor that is faster than every other phone on the market? As I always say, Apple has one job a year and that is to optimize their proprietary hardware for their software. I've seen Android running in a car dashboard and I've seen it running on a refrigerator.
The benchmarks show its faster, because it is, but there's a reason for that and there's a trade off. The Android counterparts are close behind and in real world performance, high-end Android devices are smooth, like 60FPS constant throughout navigating through apps and the UI.
I honestly haven't seen an iPhone 5 in person yet. I saw several people with SGS3's within a few days of its release however. The times, they are a'changin'.
[QUOTE=Pandamobile;38842430]I honestly haven't seen an iPhone 5 in person yet. I saw several people with SGS3's within a few days of its release however. The times, they are a'changin'.[/QUOTE]
It's because from the average consumers view, their current iPhone 4s is the same thing with a smaller screen
Obviously it's more complex than that, but it's not worth dropping all that money on to them currently
[QUOTE=Ezhik;38841153]it was just an example of something i think iphones do better than android, which would make some people want to choose iphones over android
[/quote]
A fairly minor point, though, but apps are not really arguably better on either platform - not with so many devs out there. You could argue about the dev tools, but that's an entirely different argument and both development kits throw punches at eachother.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;38841153]
also one of those apps you posted is a photo editor, and the other is limited to one phone on one carrier[/QUOTE]
use the other ones
[QUOTE=Daniel M;38842264]Okay so I'm a fanboy for thinking that my device I bought for $300 off contract is amazing because it has the specs, the amazing build quality I've wanted in Android devices for a long time and the software support is great?
I just don't understand what the problem is. No matter how you put it, you're paying $350 extra (or you're paying an extra $50 on your monthly bill) for a smaller screen, software with less features, fragmented applications.
Yeah you get LTE (which drains battery life) and you get the shiny aluminum back plate. Does that make it worth the extra money? Or justify the loss of dozens of features Android 4.2 has? I don't think so. What about the processor that is faster than every other phone on the market? As I always say, Apple has one job a year and that is to optimize their proprietary hardware for their software. I've seen Android running in a car dashboard and I've seen it running on a refrigerator.
The benchmarks show its faster, because it is, but there's a reason for that and there's a trade off. The Android counterparts are close behind and in real world performance, high-end Android devices are smooth, like 60FPS constant throughout navigating through apps and the UI.[/QUOTE]
It's not just that which justifies the price but a guarantee on a good user experience and support the other part of it is just branding. But let's look at this argument shall we?
Smaller screen: Yes it is smaller, well done. But this is totally subjective, some people prefer that size, some like smaller and some like bigger. But if you're talking screens then it should be noted that the Nexus 4 has one of the worst mobile screens.
Fragmented apps: Wow, that's an argument about Android. All apps have to pass guidelines to get in the app store, something that Android doesn't have meaning a worse user experience.
Aluminium: Hell yes that makes it worth the extra money, it's one of the toughest phones around at the moment, go check out some drop tests. The overall build quality is pretty damn good anyways whilst some Nexus 4's have build rattles etc.
4.2: Android 4.2 on phones didn't really bring any amazing features that are used everyday, the quick settings is just about it.
Android running anywhere: So? I don't see why this is relevant.
Overall Performance: Yes it's has the most powerful SoC but that's irrelevant as it throttles due to heat and it's not optimised. There's hardly any optimisation on the Nexus 4 and just using the OS in general it shows. It is not a constant 60 FPS I've tested mine with an FPS counter, the only Android device to achieve this (but not in apps as they used older API versions) was the S3 which Samsung have actually optimised unlike LG/Google have. The older iPhones achieved this even with a 800MHz single core because it's native coding and optimised for the chosen SoC, I'd like to see Android doing what WP7/8 is doing, allow OEMs to do whatever with the phone to a certain extent but only use a certain SoC which Android can be optimised for.
I like the Nexus 4 but the OS has let it down. [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1231622"]Check my review here.[/URL]
[QUOTE=PyroCF;38842562]It's not just that which justifies the price but a guarantee on a good user experience and support the other part of it is just branding. But let's look at this argument shall we?
Smaller screen: Yes it is smaller, well done. But this is totally subjective, some people prefer that size, some like smaller and some like bigger. But if you're talking screens then it should be noted that the Nexus 4 has one of the worst mobile screens.
Fragmented apps: Wow, that's an argument about Android. All apps have to pass guidelines to get in the app store, something that Android doesn't have meaning a worse user experience.
Aluminium: Hell yes that makes it worth the extra money, it's one of the toughest phones around at the moment, go check out some drop tests. The overall build quality is pretty damn good anyways whilst some Nexus 4's have build rattles etc.
4.2: Android 4.2 on phones didn't really bring any amazing features that are used everyday, the quick settings is just about it.
Android running anywhere: So? I don't see why this is relevant.
Overall Performance: Yes it's has the most powerful SoC but that's irrelevant as it throttles due to heat and it's not optimised. There's hardly any optimisation on the Nexus 4 and just using the OS in general it shows. It is not a constant 60 FPS I've tested mine with an FPS counter, the only Android device to achieve this (but not in apps as they used older API versions) was the S3 which Samsung have actually optimised unlike LG/Google have. The older iPhones achieved this even with a 800MHz single core because it's native coding and optimised for the chosen SoC, I'd like to see Android doing what WP7/8 is doing, allow OEMs to do whatever with the phone to a certain extent but only use a certain SoC which Android can be optimised for.
I like the Nexus 4 but the OS has let it down. [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1231622"]Check my review here.[/URL][/QUOTE]
At least I don't have to buy the same app twice to get it working on my Nexus 4 and my Nexus 7. Also you better hope that the developers support it because if they don't make a tablet version or update it to the newer "retina display" resolution you're screwed.
Android is flexible and that is why I was saying it's important to note that it's the Linux of smartphones. Got a 10 year old piece of shit Windows tablet? It will run. Got a brand new quad core smart phone? It will run smoothly.
I know the screen size is subjective but a smaller screen and a dual-core and less memory should make the iPhone cheaper than lets say the Galaxy S3 or the HTC One X+? It's more expensive than all of those. I'm not going to bring up the Nexus 4 because that isn't a fair fight.
Also I checked out your review, if you still have the Nexus 4, download Francisco Franco's (maker of the kernel) Nexus 4 color calibrator. Requires root but it makes quite the difference, I am getting the same colors I get from the iPad 3 and it is pretty damn close to my Dell UltraSharp IPS monitor.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;38842264]Okay so I'm a fanboy for thinking that my device I bought for $300 off contract is amazing because it has the specs, the amazing build quality I've wanted in Android devices for a long time and the software support is great?
I just don't understand what the problem is. No matter how you put it, you're paying $350 extra (or you're paying an extra $50 on your monthly bill) for a smaller screen, software with less features, fragmented applications.
Yeah you get LTE (which drains battery life) and you get the shiny aluminum back plate. Does that make it worth the extra money? Or justify the loss of dozens of features Android 4.2 has? I don't think so. What about the processor that is faster than every other phone on the market? As I always say, Apple has one job a year and that is to optimize their proprietary hardware for their software. I've seen Android running in a car dashboard and I've seen it running on a refrigerator.
The benchmarks show its faster, because it is, but there's a reason for that and there's a trade off. The Android counterparts are close behind and in real world performance, high-end Android devices are smooth, like 60FPS constant throughout navigating through apps and the UI.[/QUOTE]
I think you're a fanboy because you keep insulting other phones.
Smaller screen isn't a disadvantage.
Software with less features? Name me [b]one[/b] feature that iOS is missing which isn't the ability to tinker with it.
Fragmented applications? I'd much rather use an app with a border around it than an app that still uses the ugly UI Android used before ICS.
LTE drains battery life on the iPhone? Strange, it still seems to get more battery life than every damn Android phone.
Dozens of features Android 4.2 has? Again, name me one that isn't tinkering with the device.
Processor that is faster than every phone on the market? What's the point of having one if the OS still manages to lag?
[editline]16th December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Daniel M;38842638]Also I checked out your review, if you still have the Nexus 4, download Francisco Franco's (maker of the kernel) Nexus 4 color calibrator. Requires root but it makes quite the difference, I am getting the same colors I get from the iPad 3 and it is pretty damn close to my Dell UltraSharp IPS monitor.[/QUOTE]
See, that's why people buy iPhones. They don't need to root anything, it all works fine from the start.
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