"Has The iPhone Peaked?" Apple’s iPhone 4s Seen Outselling iPhone 5
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[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;38857703]Tell me, how long have you been using android?
If you don't think it has changed drastically then something must be wrong.[/QUOTE]
Since the Nexus One, but when you see Android OEMs rolling their new flagships out like Samsung and their Galaxy S line the skin maintains the look and feel so users feel at home with it but they add new features just like iOS. All that changes is the hardware, that also being the looks too.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;38857652][/QUOTE]
Still hasn't really change much for Samsung. All these years of touch wiz...
The only manufacturer that has ever really stayed "similar to the feeling of other phones' for an extended period of time was HTC with their godawful SenseUI. Now with the One series, that is gone. Samsung is still trying to find what they want to do and I have a feeling that their "inspired by nature" design will be gone by the time the S4 releases.
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[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;38857773]Still hasn't really change much for Samsung. All these years of touch wiz...[/QUOTE]
It at least looks much more refined than the Galaxy S compared to the SIII
[QUOTE=Daniel M;38857652]Um...
Samsung
[t]http://yoursourcelink.com.img.800cdn.com/a/images/glas1.png[/t]
[t]http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/galaxy-s21.jpg[/t]
[t]http://asset2.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/10/11/GALAXY_SIII_mini_Product_Image(4).jpg_610x406.jpg[/t]
HTC
[t]http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/sc/21b9e606-d6af-467e-9545-62a3dc13f932.jpg[/t]
[t]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41r%2B661x5rL._SL500_AA300_.jpg[/t]
[t]http://fs01.androidpit.info/userfiles/1345085/image/sensation.jpg[/t]
[t]http://forum.xda-developers.com/deviceForum/screenshots/1533/20120607T125403.jpeg[/t]
Motorola
[t]http://news.cnet.com/i/bto/20091031/motorola-droid-2.jpg[/t]
[t]http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/wireless/detail-page/motorola-droidX-veriz-frontfacing.jpg[/t]
[t]http://www.droid-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/droid-bionic-official-e1316806155865.jpg[/t]
[t]http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/phones/37947-xlarge/Motorola-DROID-RAZR-MAXX-HD.jpg[/t]
Android overall
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9e/Android_1.6_Home_Screen.jpg[/t]
[t]http://developer.android.com/sdk/images/2.3/home-plain.png[/t]\
[t]http://www.droid-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Clock-2.png[/t][/QUOTE]
No love for the G1? [t]https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXkf99I6pSxjuLJH5SkDHdoz_m6ZQn3dYk50x8FpaKuKWssQGx9g[/t]
[QUOTE=Daniel M;38857652]Um...
-phones-
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So that just completely invalidates the more powerful CPU and GPU, double the RAM, 4g and the better cameras because the GUI looks the same?
You're an idiot.
why the fuck would you want a massively different UI for every iteration of a phone in the same line? that's the dumbest decision ever for everyone involved
[QUOTE=Lazor;38858765]why the fuck would you want a massively different UI for every iteration of a phone in the same line? that's the dumbest decision ever for everyone involved[/QUOTE]
Google's new UI design is boatloads better in Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean, but all these manufacturers that throw their poorly designed UIs on top make me want to cry.
Change for the sake of change is not good, and that's what I feel so many manufactures do.
Wait wait wait. Are you people implying that an always changing UI is a GOOD thing?
No it's not. You'll just have a bunch of confused customers, outdated apps, and annoyed developers.
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[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;38859058]Google's new UI design is boatloads better in Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean, but all these manufacturers that throw their poorly designed UIs on top make me want to cry.
Change for the sake of change is not good, and that's what I feel so many manufactures do.[/QUOTE]
No, they make phones that an average customer actually can use. They don't want to fuck with root and shit like you'd have to do on a Nexus device, they just want shit to work, and with Android, you just can't do that without a better UI.
Besides, Touchwiz is actually pretty good now, and Sense just needs some optimization.
A new proprietary connector with little new features really isn't helping it. I love my iPhone. Not saying it's better than an Android phone, or vice versa, it's just a personal preference. I would have loved to upgrade to the iPhone 5 if my contract was up, but the new connector kinda turns me off, seeing as I have a shit ton of old connectors around my house that I use for my car, my computer, and for charging while I sleep. Purchasing and taking along an expensive adapter is just not practical, and the new cables cost like $20 dollars each.
It also doesn't help that my first ever android phone was the [B]worst[/B] phone I've ever had in my entire life. I was stuck with it for like 3 years and it put a bad taste in my mouth. I had an iPod Touch on the side that I would use to listen to music and play with apps, and it never did anything to piss me off. That's what really converted me over to the iPhone. I'm sure the new Android phones are great and have probably worked out the major issues I experienced with my Moment, but I don't want to take that chance ever again and be stuck with it for 3 years.
I'll stick with my iPhone 4S until a new iPhone comes out with greatly improved features.
[QUOTE='[EG] Pepper;38858590']So that just completely invalidates the more powerful CPU and GPU, double the RAM, 4g and the better cameras because the GUI looks the same?
You're an idiot.[/QUOTE]
Did I ever say that invalidates any improvements the iPhone has made? I'm just criticizing the fact that even the most devout Apple fans are getting tired of the same old icons on the same old grid. I've said the only thing they've done since the initial iOS version is add folder support, wallpaper changing and the notification bar.
The hardware has gotten pretty good but it's time that they focus on the software because that is where it is lagging behind the most.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;38859945]Did I ever say that invalidates any improvements the iPhone has made? I'm just criticizing the fact that even the most devout Apple fans are getting tired of the same old icons on the same old grid.[/QUOTE]
They are? I don't see a problem with it. It's efficient and simple.
[QUOTE=Lazor;38858765]why the fuck would you want a massively different UI for every iteration of a phone in the same line? that's the dumbest decision ever for everyone involved[/QUOTE]
keeping the same UI for so long is also pretty bad, iOS is a hideous mess.
The standard homescreen is literally the most disgusting thing I have ever seen on a mobile device
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I care more about software than hardware most of the time when it comes to things like mobile devices. there is no point for me to use iOS, and that's all there is to it. It's boring, I can't mess it up and break it as I'd like. That's where the real fun is for me.
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;38859953]They are? I don't see a problem with it. It's efficient and simple.[/QUOTE]
Well from a business standpoint, people are going to Android because of the customization options. Apple is known for having devout fans that buy iteration after iteration and these are the people that complained about the 4S being "not that much of a change" and still bought it anyways.
I know several of them and they tell me things like "I'm just getting kind of bored of the interface, I mean it's been five years now and we still don't have widgets, I still can't set the default browser and I can't click on an address and choose whether I want to open it up with Maps or Navigation, it's a really big pain".
Having to copy text from Safari and open Dolphin Browser and paste it in there is anything but efficient. It's extra steps and it takes away from productivity. Having to copy text from a text message and open Google Maps manually and paste it in your destination bar is not efficient either. At least social media integration is finally in there but it's still not up to par with Windows Phone or Android.
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[QUOTE=Ezhik;38859685]Wait wait wait. Are you people implying that an always changing UI is a GOOD thing?
No it's not. You'll just have a bunch of confused customers, outdated apps, and annoyed developers.
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At least it's better than your users becoming bored because of using the same thing for five years across five devices. You can't really judge Android though, yet. They were coming around to HoloUI with Honeycomb and they got it right with Ice Cream Sandwich and they've stuck with it in Jellybean. They have device guidelines set in place and optimizing an old application for the new UI structure is easy because Google made it to be an easy transition.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;38859977]keeping the same UI for so long is also pretty bad
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it isn't inherently bad. this is stupid.
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I care more about software than hardware most of the time when it comes to things like mobile devices. there is no point for me to use iOS, and that's all there is to it. It's boring, I can't mess it up and break it as I'd like. That's where the real fun is for me.[/QUOTE]
the vast majority of people decidedly don't give a shit about fucking around with the UI or how "boring" it is.
Maybe it's just me but I enjoy the UI changes in Android, it shows that they're actually trying to improve on it instead of sticking with one design and calling it good. Yeah it's a pain for devs, but I'd rather have significant updates where the goal is to evolve the interface to make it as nice as possible rather than use the same old thing year after year. I'm not sure how many others would agree/disagree with that though.
[QUOTE=mblunk;38862926]Maybe it's just me but I enjoy the UI changes in Android, it shows that they're actually trying to improve on it instead of sticking with one design and calling it good. Yeah it's a pain for devs, but I'd rather have significant updates where the goal is to evolve the interface to make it as nice as possible rather than use the same old thing year after year. I'm not sure how many others would agree/disagree with that though.[/QUOTE]
Well at-least the changes are for the better and largely warranted.
Though here was quite the jump from Gingerbread & beyond to honeycomb/ICS and beyond.
But now the standard AOSP UI and Launcher for Android is actually great, whereas with gingerbread it was honestly quite ugly.
Sadly manufacturers still think they can do better, and instead they fuck it up with a horrible ineffective mess of a launcher & UI.
iOS is horrible with all it's overblown skeuomorphism and love for "glassy" and rounded icons that almost look like pearls.
Even WP8 sports a better design than iOS, since it's simplified as much as possible, yet still easy to understand and not gaudy as sin.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;38857652]
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Oh dear god all of those look so damn ugly.
Apple found a design that works and looks nice with the iPhone and they've strayed little from that and why would they? I'd rather have a phone that looked good than a phone that varied through a load of ugly ass designs like the ones in those pictures.
Honestly, the whole argument that iOS and the iPhone haven't changed much is ridiculous. Why would you want a highly practical thing you're going to use every day to be radically different every generation? What could you as the consumer possibly have to gain from that?
It's an argument against iPhones that's touted constantly but it means nothing at all.
Quote the whole post why don't you
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;38869491]Oh dear god all of those look so damn ugly.
Apple found a design that works and looks nice with the iPhone and they've strayed little from that and why would they? I'd rather have a phone that looked good than a phone that varied through a load of ugly ass designs like the ones in those pictures.
Honestly, the whole argument that iOS and the iPhone haven't changed much is ridiculous. Why would you want a highly practical thing you're going to use every day to be radically different every generation? What could you as the consumer possibly have to gain from that?
It's an argument against iPhones that's touted constantly but it means nothing at all.[/QUOTE]
It's not radically different though. It's just being more and more refined and while there are various styles going on there, it's being more and more refined every iteration while iOS remains stagnant. Also, it doesn't matter what device or skin you choose, yeah there will be some minor differences but for the non-technical user, you hit button for market, scroll, find app that sounds interesting, hit install, installs, launch.
Want to use your phone? Hit phone icon, hit numbers, hit call, put up to face, talk, hit red end call button.
That is really the extent of what the average user does with their phone and it has always been that way, it has just gotten better looking and for the things that have radically changed, they were things that needed radical change and it results in a better user experience.
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;38859058]Google's new UI design is boatloads better in Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean, but all these manufacturers that throw their poorly designed UIs on top make me want to cry.
Change for the sake of change is not good, and that's what I feel so many manufactures do.[/QUOTE]
Maybe you need to make huge changes on an OS as shit as Android used to be but iOS has always been pretty solid so there's no reason to make those major changes.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;38835410]I feel Apple has died somewhat since Steve Jobs passed and his Bodhisattva ways simply aren't showing in the products anymore.[/QUOTE]
Steve Jobs brought a lot of bad to Apple products, skeuomorphism for example
also all the good things about Apple were likely not him (like Jonathon Ive)
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