• Pro-life Teen Defiant After Alleged "Attack" by Feminist Professor
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[QUOTE=Appellation;44256814]Obviously government funded universities don't count. ..[/QUOTE] Well, they may well be protesting on the university grounds, but that doesn't stop the general public (not civil servants, government employees, etc.) from calling them out on having awful views. It just means the government funded university cannot boot them off until they overstep their bounds.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44256862]Well, they may well be protesting on the university grounds, but that doesn't stop the general public (not civil servants, government employees, etc.) from calling them out on having awful views. It just means the government funded university cannot boot them off until they overstep their bounds.[/QUOTE] Like, say a professor paid with, at least partially, government funds?
[QUOTE=juhana;44256561]Pro-abortionist viewpoint: "BAH BAH BAH! I need my 100% consequence-free sex as promised by the 1960s counterculture!!! But wait, what's [I]THIS[/I]? An uwanted pregnancy? Sex isn't a 100% safe activity? Could it be that those people were wrong??? Nah, I'll just dehumanise the unborn child (and accept abortion) instead of re-examining my hedonist philosophy!!!"[/QUOTE] Or maybe the people could talk to their kids about sex and preach safe sex in their homes rather than demonizing and hiding it from their children. Adults who make bad decisions are not born irresponsible; they are raised that way, and by making sex out to be this wonderful thing to young kids, yet never deigning to talk to them in any meaningful way, you sever your own hamstring in any debate over sex and culture. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24schalet.html?_r=1&[/url] That link is all about the Dutch vs. American way of looking at sex and relationships. Dutch people: sex is cool, just as long as you tell us, and use protection. Americans: sex is dirty, hide it and never do it. The Netherlands have a abortion rate 4 times lower than Americans, and most other countries are doing better in that aspect as well. [url]http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/component/content/article/419-adolescent-sexual-health-in-europe-and-the-us[/url] One last thing: "pro-abortionist" is wrong. I'm not pro-abortions, I'm pro "having a choice."
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44256862]Well, they may well be protesting on the university grounds, but that doesn't stop the general public (not civil servants, government employees, etc.) from calling them out on having awful views. It just means the government funded university cannot boot them off until they overstep their bounds.[/QUOTE] She did more than just call out bullshit apparently. Anyways, both sides seem to be in the wrong. The University professor is a clown and the pro-lifer blocked comments on her videos of the incident.
Having contributed to abortions, dealt with stds, & received and inflicted emotional pain as the result of "meaningless sex" I have to say, people underestimate the impact of the physical. However, abortions are better than the pre-abrahamic norm of just abandoning/exposing unwanted infants.
[QUOTE=juhana;44256561]Pro-abortionist viewpoint: "BAH BAH BAH! I need my 100% consequence-free sex as promised by the 1960s counterculture!!! But wait, what's [I]THIS[/I]? An uwanted pregnancy? Sex isn't a 100% safe activity? Could it be that those people were wrong??? Nah, I'll just dehumanise the unborn child (and accept abortion) instead of re-examining my hedonist philosophy!!!"[/QUOTE] This is just gold right here. What era do you come from that we need as many people born as possible, and that the 'right to life' must be protected above all else? The stone age? In case you aren't familiar with our time, most of the world isn't exactly hurting for more people. But fuck a woman's ability to choose what she does with her body, right?
[QUOTE=Grasp;44256941]This is just gold right here. What era do you come from that we need as many people born as possible, and that the 'right to life' must be protected above all else? The stone age? In case you aren't familiar with our time, most of the world isn't exactly hurting for more people. But fuck a woman's ability to choose what she does with her body, right?[/QUOTE] Small nitpick. The U.S. is actually underpopulated, and "overpopulation" problems such as hunger in impoverished countries is caused by institutional issues. (Mismanagement)
[QUOTE=Appellation;44256937]Having contributed to abortions, dealt with stds, & received and inflicted emotional pain as the result of "meaningless sex" I have to say, people underestimate the impact of the physical. However, abortions are better than the pre-abrahamic norm of just abandoning/exposing unwanted infants.[/QUOTE] It doesn't help that right wing parties who oppose abortion also support defunding social services/welfare,etc
[QUOTE=Appellation;44256962]Small nitpick. The U.S. is actually underpopulated, and "overpopulation" problems such as hunger in impoverished countries is caused by institutional issues. (Mismanagement)[/QUOTE] We aren't clamoring for more people is what I'm saying. And there are plenty of kids without homes or parents that could use them.
[QUOTE=Appellation;44256873]Like, say a professor paid with, at least partially, government funds?[/QUOTE] Yeah maybe, depends if she was doing it for the government or for herself in that situation I expect. You can't really say someone can't be autonomous just because they work for the government. [editline]16th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;44256917]She did more than just call out bullshit apparently. Anyways, both sides seem to be in the wrong. The University professor is a clown and the pro-lifer blocked comments on her videos of the incident.[/QUOTE] Blocking comments is a pretty fucking shitty move, if you're innocent and did nothing to provoke her, you shouldn't feel the need to crawl into your own ass like that.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44257032]Yeah maybe, depends if she was doing it for the government or for herself in that situation I expect. You can't really say someone can't be autonomous just because they work for the government. [editline]16th March 2014[/editline] Blocking comments is a pretty fucking shitty move, if you're innocent and did nothing to provoke her, you shouldn't feel the need to crawl into your own ass like that.[/QUOTE] But such a position comes with certain responsibilities due to the power it involves. As with cops, judges, etc
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44256966]It doesn't help that right wing parties who oppose abortion also support defunding social services/welfare,etc[/QUOTE] those kids should get themselves some bootstraps. :v:
[QUOTE=juhana;44256561]Pro-abortionist viewpoint: "BAH BAH BAH! I need my 100% consequence-free sex as promised by the 1960s counterculture!!! But wait, what's [I]THIS[/I]? An uwanted pregnancy? Sex isn't a 100% safe activity? Could it be that those people were wrong??? Nah, I'll just dehumanise the unborn child (and accept abortion) instead of re-examining my hedonist philosophy!!!"[/QUOTE] Or y'know, some people just aren't ready for kids. I mean you can use protection but if you end up with a child your career is fucked. Understandably some people do not want that.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44255971]I guess they were aborted and survived[/QUOTE] Would explain a lot
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;44255864][url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/13/teen-abortion-protester-defiant-after-alleged-attack-by-feminist-professor/]Source[/url] [editline]16th March 2014[/editline] "Survivors of the Abortion Holocaust" what the fuck[/QUOTE] Imagine you're pro-life. You think every abortion is murder. There have been [url=http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html]fifty million of them in the United States alone[/url]. That's almost [I]five[/I] Holocausts.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;44257319]That's almost [I]five[/I] Holocausts.[/QUOTE] "That's as many as 5 Holocausts, and that's terrible"
[QUOTE=wooletang;44255932]Anyone who is protests against abortion is an asshole. [/QUOTE] How so
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44255979]Universities should be a place where all ideas and beliefs should be allowed to be expressed. Conservatives do have a point when they say that universities are generally hostile towards more right wing beliefs, especially when it comes to social issues.[/QUOTE] To be fair, many times conservative views on social issues are to disallow other ideas, beliefs, etc. Homosexuality, other religions, stuff like that. I'm not talking about all conservatives of course, just the social conservatives who care enough to protest other people having control of their own lives. [QUOTE=G-Strogg;44256543]Or anyone else.[/QUOTE] what are slander and libel [QUOTE=juhana;44256561]Pro-abortionist viewpoint: "BAH BAH BAH! I need my 100% consequence-free sex as promised by the 1960s counterculture!!! But wait, what's [I]THIS[/I]? An uwanted pregnancy? Sex isn't a 100% safe activity? Could it be that those people were wrong??? Nah, I'll just dehumanise the unborn child (and accept abortion) instead of re-examining my hedonist philosophy!!!"[/QUOTE] did you just use 'hedonist' unironically
[QUOTE=WhyNott;44257522]How so[/QUOTE] Because arguing against abortion is arguing against the idea of human fallibility. Abortion is legal for a few reasons: rape happens, and so does incest; people who are emotionally and financially unable to have children, get pregnant; women who are likely to die because of a pregnancy, and finally, women who get pregnant so late in life that the child is susceptible to birth defects. In all of these cases, abortion should be an available. It serves as a backdrop in case other methods of conception prevention fail. Of course, people abuse this system and take no precautions with their sexual habits at all, and that's wrong. What's worse is trying to take away the backdrop because of the abusers. I'm not saying that people can't be against abortion, or pro-adoption, or have moral qualms with it; what I'm saying is that the people who are against abortion to such a degree that they feel it is their duty to go out onto the street in protest of legislation that they cannot and should not be able to change, are assholes. The ones who wave signs of a something-something-week-old fetus in your face and tell you that you're a disgusting murderer; the one's that somehow reason in their minds that once this child is born it will be wanted, treated kindly, adopted or have anything close to resembling a happy life. That's why I call them assholes: losing your humanity to chastise someone else for something you perceive as a lack of humanity is wrong and hypocritical.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;44256546]Heh. Feminist studies.[/QUOTE] watch out, a feminist degree will make you packload full of information to bring down the tyranny of the oppression that females are in toward the working class people!
[QUOTE=juhana;44256561]Pro-abortionist viewpoint: "BAH BAH BAH! I need my 100% consequence-free sex as promised by the 1960s counterculture!!! But wait, what's [I]THIS[/I]? An uwanted pregnancy? Sex isn't a 100% safe activity? Could it be that those people were wrong??? Nah, I'll just dehumanise the unborn child (and accept abortion) instead of re-examining my hedonist philosophy!!!"[/QUOTE] Why don't you go learn some fucking empathy, take it from somebody who had to deal with getting an abortion when I was 16. It's not easy, and you're being an asshole about the situation. [editline]16th March 2014[/editline] Feminists love abortion because it's not cool when somebody of the opposite sex tells you what you can do with your own body. Doesn't that seem a littel sexist to have a bunch of older, straight, white men telling a bunch of women what they should and shouldn't do with your body? [URL="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/10/how-i-lost-faith-in-the-pro-life-movement.html"]A comprehensive global study of abortion has concluded that abortion rates are similar in countries where it is legal and those where it is not, suggesting that outlawing the procedure does little to deter women seeking it.[/URL]
[QUOTE=wooletang;44257696]Because arguing against abortion is arguing against the idea of human fallibility. Abortion is legal for a few reasons: rape happens, and so does incest; people who are emotionally and financially unable to have children, get pregnant; women who are likely to die because of a pregnancy, and finally, women who get pregnant so late in life that the child is susceptible to birth defects. In all of these cases, abortion should be an available. It serves as a backdrop in case other methods of conception prevention fail. Of course, people abuse this system and take no precautions with their sexual habits at all, and that's wrong. What's worse is trying to take away the backdrop because of the abusers. I'm not saying that people can't be against abortion, or pro-adoption, or have moral qualms with it; what I'm saying is that the people who are against abortion to such a degree that they feel it is their duty to go out onto the street in protest of legislation that they cannot and should not be able to change, are assholes. The ones who wave signs of a something-something-week-old fetus in your face and tell you that you're a disgusting murderer; the one's that somehow reason in their minds that once this child is born it will be wanted, treated kindly, adopted or have anything close to resembling a happy life. That's why I call them assholes: losing your humanity to chastise someone else for something you perceive as a lack of humanity is wrong and hypocritical.[/QUOTE] Well, those people see it diffrently. They belive those fetuses to be future people. And to them, killing those people is as bad as killing any other human beings. Wouldn't you protest if killing people of specific attribute was legal where you live? Wouldn't you try like... Dunno, to save them, help them? Maybe yes or maybe no, but if you would it would be hard to call you an asshole based purely on that behaviour. Everything depends on a point of view.
[QUOTE=WhyNott;44257914]Well, those people see it diffrently. They belive those fetuses to be future people. And to them, killing those people is as bad as killing any other human beings. Wouldn't you protest if killing people of specific attribute was legal where you live? Wouldn't you try like... Dunno, to save them, help them? Maybe yes or maybe no, but if you would it would be hard to call you an asshole based purely on that behaviour. Everything depends on a point of view.[/QUOTE] If my town made the killing of any person who was albino legal, I would be against it. I might even picket in protest of that fact. I'd be angry and annoyed that anyone would be so horrible as to kill a albino man. But that's not what you do when you protest abortion. With the albino man, there is a person, alive, whole and functioning. His life is his, and he relies on no one to live it. A fetus is different because it is not yet a person, it is not yet a being. While it may someday become a being, as it is right now, it is part of another person and entirely dependent on them for life. If the person who is taking care of it does not want to take care of it, or is only taking care of it because of an accident, or because they are immature, that person has the right to decide whether or not they want to continue having the responsibility of caring for the fetus. It might seem horrible to kill a fetus, and in late term pregnancies, when the decision should already have been made, that's true. What's more horrible is [I]forcing[/I] people who have made honest mistakes to pay for those mistakes with their own lives. You can say it's dependent upon point of view all you want, but when the potential life of a few balls of plasma takes precedence over the [I]ongoing, actual[/I] life of a woman, you may as well be looking in from Mars for all the humanity you posses.
It's stupid, the people who see it as a life are mostly christians, no? Tell me why the bible tells us that humans aren't living beings until they take the breath of life. [QUOTE] Many people think that a human being is created at the time of conception but this belief is not supported by the bible. The fact that a living sperm penetrates a living ovum resulting in the formation of a living fetus does not mean that the fetus is a living human being. According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath. After God formed man in[B] Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”[/B]. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath. [b]In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”[/B] [B]Again, to quote Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord.”[/B] In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.thechristianleftblog.org/1/post/2012/10/the-bible-tells-us-when-a-fetus-becomes-a-living-being.html[/url] tl;dr people don't even know their own religion well and use it as an excuse to push their sexist agendas. [URL="http://feministing.com/2011/02/10/new-wave-of-anti-abortion-bills-is-about-punishing-women-not-about-saving-babies/"]Don’t let the “pro-life” rhetoric fool you: restricting access to abortion has nothing to do with babies, and everything to do with shaming and punishing women.[/URL] [editline]16th March 2014[/editline] Let's not forget that by definition, a fetus is a parasite.
[QUOTE=wooletang;44258053]If my town made the killing of any person who was albino legal, I would be against it. I might even picket in protest of that fact. I'd be angry and annoyed that anyone would be so horrible as to kill a albino man. But that's not what you do when you protest abortion. With the albino man, there is a person, alive, whole and functioning. His life is his, and he relies on no one to live it. A fetus is different because it is not yet a person, it is not yet a being. While it may someday become a being, as it is right now, it is part of another person and entirely dependent on them for life. If the person who is taking care of it does not want to take care of it, or is only taking care of it because of an accident, or because they are immature, that person has the right to decide whether or not they want to continue having the responsibility of caring for the fetus. It might seem horrible to kill a fetus, and in late term pregnancies, when the decision should already have been made, that's true. What's more horrible is [I]forcing[/I] people who have made honest mistakes to pay for those mistakes with their own lives. You can say it's dependent upon point of view all you want, but when the potential life of a few balls of plasma takes precedence over the [I]ongoing, actual[/I] life of a woman, you may as well be looking in from Mars for all the humanity you posses.[/QUOTE] I am not going to discuss the moral implications of an abortion with you, partialy becouse I support it and partialy becouse those never go anywhere. All am I trying to say is that stating that someone is an asshole just becouse he does what he belives is saving human lives isn't really a clever thing to say. Your truths aren't the same as their truths. In reality not all women that want to get an abortion are doing that becouse otherwise their lives are gonna get ruined, and not all aborted fetuses would live a happy life if they avoided the scalpel.
[QUOTE=mchapra;44257127]Or y'know, some people just aren't ready for kids. I mean you can use protection but if you end up with a child your career is fucked. Understandably some people do not want that.[/QUOTE] That's why there's this neat thing called Adoption.
[QUOTE=Vilusia;44258319]That's why there's this neat thing called Adoption.[/QUOTE] i imagine that's something that's waaaaay easier said than done, especially as a male [editline]16th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=WhyNott;44257914]Well, those people see it diffrently. They belive those fetuses to be future people. And to them, killing those people is as bad as killing any other human beings.[/QUOTE] that's the problem though, foetuses don't even have brains up to a certain point, so they're potential people in a similar way to all of someone's sperm being millions of potential people yeah okay you could differentiate between the two by saying that a foetus would continue on and become a person without any sort of intervention, but the main point still remains - if they don't yet have the capacity to have a consciousness then they aren't really people
[QUOTE=Vilusia;44258319]That's why there's this neat thing called Adoption.[/QUOTE] Who the fuck do you think are adopting these kids?
[QUOTE=Vilusia;44258319]That's why there's this neat thing called Adoption.[/QUOTE] Adoption fucks people up. I know people who have been adopted, even if they do end up in a good house with a loving family, the simple fact of them being adopted leaves a space open for a lot of grief. Not to mention when you put a child in the foster care system they are statistically more likely to be raped, and abused rather than end up in a nice loving home. Do you really think exposing a child to those kind of conditions is morally superior?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44258402]Who the fuck do you think are adopting these kids?[/QUOTE] not to mention if someone would otherwise have an abortion because they can't afford to have kids, surely making them be pregnant anyway and most likely have to leave their job for a while is probably a bad idea
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