Pro-life Teen Defiant After Alleged "Attack" by Feminist Professor
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[QUOTE=wooletang;44258665]
Many people have more than 3 abortions, and if you are stupid enough to continually get unwantedly pregnant, you must either be completely retarded, or using abortion as a sort of birth control.[/QUOTE]
So why is that bad?
I really, really, really, dont like like the direction this thread went. I know that it was inevitable, but still.
Hay, I wonder if a mod locked this thread on post #5, would it be considered an abortion of a debate?
I don't really know if I'm pro-life or pro-choice, personally.
While I don't really approve of abortion, I know it can be necessary sometimes.
Sometimes a woman is a rape victim, impregnated by her attacker. An abortion can be quite necessary for that woman.
Sometimes there are cases where a child would literally be in more danger of suffering if born than it would be if it was never born at all, such as very broken or even violent households.
I don't support a woman getting an abortion because she went out, had sex, and then just didn't want a child because the condom broke. She may not want the baby, but I know tons of gay couples who would.
Of course, over all this, I support giving children the chance to live and giving parents the chance to be parents. This is why I'm such a heavy supporter of the type of stuff that goes on in Norway. Mothers are given free government-issued help and can even get caretakers to help them support their children while they have to work and such. This is all provided for free, and so women don't really need to get abortions.
[QUOTE=Vilusia;44258822]I dont want to ban abortion. I just don't approve of it.[/QUOTE]
but why? have you read freakonomics? they make an argument in there that making abortion legal declines the crime rate. basically because parents who don't want to have kids tend to raise their kids poorly, and those kids tend to become criminals. there are a lot of reasons that abortion is actually a good thing.
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maybe its been refuted though, i know some things in that book have been.
[QUOTE=Appellation;44258769][url]http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/09/17/science/dna-double-take.html?pagewanted=all[/url][/QUOTE]
Just try not to think of self replicating bits of your exes that you're carrying around for the rest of your life and it's really cool.
I'm more interested in what exactly those fliers said. Who wants to bet it was just misinformed trash, like those campaigns that use pictures of "aborted fetuses" (which they clearly aren't) for shock value?
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;44258876]
I don't support a woman getting an abortion because she went out, had sex, and then just didn't want a child because the condom broke. She may not want the baby, but I know tons of gay couples who would.
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The gay couples already have a massive selection of children they can adopt, and if we ran out of foster children, they could rescue children in bad situations from Africa or other bad-off countries.
I also feel that you're using that argument as an excuse for not liking abortion.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;44258916]The gay couples already have a massive selection of children they can adopt, and if we ran out of foster children, they could rescue children in bad situations from Africa or other bad-off countries.
I also feel that you're using that argument as an excuse for not liking abortion.[/QUOTE]
Maybe we should start teaching about the fact that human beings are having WAY TOO MANY BABIES?
We as a species need to calm the fuck down. We're already overpopulated as it is, and yet America still tries to preach that a perfect household has like, at least 2 children. This is utterly ridiculous.
We're having way too much sex and not giving a damn about the consequences.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;44258916]
I also feel that you're using that argument as an excuse for not liking abortion.[/QUOTE]
Almost every argument used is the last two pages is an excuse for either liking or not liking abortion so
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;44258942]Maybe we should start teaching about the fact that human beings are having WAY TOO MANY BABIES?
We as a species need to calm the fuck down. We're already overpopulated as it is, and yet America still tries to preach that a perfect household has like, at least 2 children. This is utterly ridiculous.
We're having way too much sex and not giving a damn about the consequences.[/QUOTE]
how many times is this brought up and how many times do i have to try to refute it?
Half the countries in the world have a sub-replacement fertility rate. meaning without any immigration, a lot of countries like Canada, Japan, China etc. will all eventually decline in population.
[QUOTE=WhyNott;44258946]Almost every argument used is the last two pages is an excuse for either liking or not liking abortion so[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone here "Likes abortion" it's a simple necessity, if we have birth control, then we need birth prevention (Abortion).
Abortion is needed because people should have the choice to NOT have children, it's that simple.
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[QUOTE=Shark Bones;44258942]We're having way too much sex and not giving a damn about the consequences.[/QUOTE]
People do give a damn about consequences, that's why we have birth control, and if that fails, we have abortion.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;44258961]I don't think anyone here "Likes abortion" it's a simple necessity, if we have birth control, then we need birth prevention (Abortion).
Abortion is needed because people should have the choice to NOT have children, it's that simple.[/QUOTE]
Like I said, just because I don't particularly approve of it doesn't mean I don't think it necessary to have the choice.
People have the right to make all sorts of choices every day. Doesn't mean you can't particularly approve of one choice over another.
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;44258988]
People have the right to make all sorts of choices every day. Doesn't mean you can't particularly approve of one choice over another.[/QUOTE]
As long as you understand it's a necessity, and should be legal, then there is no real reason to argue.
I think that once you understand the facts though, that you take the viewpoint that it's alright, and most people that are against it are simply misinformed.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;44259040]As long as you understand it's a necessity, and should be legal, then there is no real reason to argue.
I think that once you understand the facts though, that you take the viewpoint that it's alright, and most people that are against it are simply misinformed.[/QUOTE]
I'm no anti-abortion activist, lol. That's why I said I really don't know if I'm technically pro-life or pro-choice.
I support women having the choice, but I personally much prefer when the women choose to not get the abortion.
I support keeping the laws open, letting women have their choice. However I also support trying to help convince women to go through with having a child, even if the child has to be relocated or, like in Norway, the mother could use some governmental help.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;44256429]And left wing ideologies are perfect that's why the soviet union is the dominant country of the wor-
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dude are you for real? Liberalism in America is right wing compared to pretty much every other nation in the developed world. Political science should be mandatory in this country, I'm pretty sure even /Pol/ is more coherent than what you just said (ok probably not but either way you are blissfully unaware of just how stupid your comment was).
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;44259069]I'm no anti-abortion activist, lol. That's why I said I really don't know if I'm technically pro-life or pro-choice.
I support women having the choice[/QUOTE]
You are Pro-Choice.
[QUOTE=Jitterz;44259526]You are Pro-Choice.[/QUOTE]
But I'm also pro-life, because I prefer people choose to give birth rather than have abortions.
Then again "pro-life" is a horrible title to give to people who are anti-abortion.
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;44259544] I prefer people choose
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I do not think any pro-choice people prefer the choice be abortion.
Don't want to have a baby? Don't have sexual intercourse.
Is it really that hard people?
[QUOTE=DestinyDstryr;44260219]Don't want to have a baby? Don't have sexual intercourse.
Is it really that hard people?[/QUOTE]
read the thread first
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;44259544]
Then again "pro-life" is a horrible title to give to people who are anti-abortion.[/QUOTE]
Generally conservatives who support war and the death penalty.
[QUOTE=DestinyDstryr;44260219]Don't want to have a baby? Don't have sexual intercourse.
Is it really that hard people?[/QUOTE]
Don't have anything intelligent to say? Don't make a post.
It's not that we shouldn't have sex.
We really just need to exercise more caution with it.
[QUOTE=supersnail11;44260369]Don't have anything intelligent to say? Don't make a post.[/QUOTE]
March 16: New rule instated
March 17:
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;44259544]But I'm also pro-life, because I prefer people choose to give birth rather than have abortions.
Then again "pro-life" is a horrible title to give to people who are anti-abortion.[/QUOTE]
You are either pro choice or pro life.
[I][The argument that a fetus is not alive] is a resort to a convenient fiction that turns an evidently living being into one that legally is not alive. Instead of accepting such fictions, we should recognise that the fact that a being is human, and alive, does not in itself tell us whether it is wrong to take that being's life.[/I]
[I]Singer states that arguments for or against abortion should be based on utilitarian calculation which compares the preferences of a woman against the preferences of the fetus. In his view a preference is anything sought to be obtained or avoided; all forms of benefit or harm caused to a being correspond directly with the satisfaction or frustration of one or more of its preferences. Since a capacity to experience the sensations of suffering or satisfaction is a prerequisite to having any preferences at all, and a fetus, up to around eighteen weeks, says Singer, has no capacity to suffer or feel satisfaction, it is not possible for such a fetus to hold any preferences at all. In a utilitarian calculation, there is nothing to weigh against a woman's preferences to have an abortion; therefore, abortion is morally permissible.
Similar to his argument for abortion, Singer argues that newborns lack the essential characteristics of personhood—"rationality, autonomy, and self-consciousness"[26]—and therefore "killing a newborn baby is never equivalent to killing a person, that is, a being who wants to go on living."[27][/I]
Of course, he is consistent and extends the same logic to newborns. But that is something will not accept, but well, since when majority had consistency?
[QUOTE=WhyNott;44258850]I really, really, really, dont like like the direction this thread went. I know that it was inevitable, but still.
Hay, I wonder if a mod locked this thread on post #5, would it be considered an abortion of a debate?[/QUOTE]
There really isn't much to argue about here other than abortion. It's not like anyone thinks it's ok for a professor to get this angry at a student.
If you hold the sanctity of human life -notice, human life, not personhood- then you can't be also in for pro choice, because you would be allowing human lives to be terminated arbitrarily, thefore, contradicting your former belief.
@sloppy_joes
Steven Pinker made an argument against abortion benefits in "The better angels of our nature".
Tomorrow circa 6-7pm UTC -3 I will transcribe said argument here.
i don't like pro-life people who havent had kids
most mothers i know are pro choice yet most people i know that are pro-life are teens or haven't had a kid yet
they all say they're pro-choice because even if you don't keep the baby, it has awful effects on your body after you have the kid, and they don't want someone that's so young to have to deal with that so early on in their life
reasonable mothers anyways
especially since abortions are only done when the cells haven't become a fetus yet
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44255887]Why would a professor do such a thing
This is some "God is not dead" level shit[/QUOTE]
Write down three simple words, "Fetuses are alive". You just passed your first assignment.
[QUOTE=DestinyDstryr;44260219]Don't want to have a baby? Don't have sexual intercourse.
Is it really that hard people?[/QUOTE]
Do you always have sex strictly to procreate?
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