Pro-life Teen Defiant After Alleged "Attack" by Feminist Professor
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[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44255979]Universities should be a place where all ideas and beliefs should be allowed to be expressed. Conservatives do have a point when they say that universities are generally hostile towards more right wing beliefs, especially when it comes to social issues.[/QUOTE]
First off, "hostile?" Not really the word I'd use. Maybe it's that way in Canada.
Secondly, what's the solution? College campuses tend to be more liberal or progressive because young college students are generally more liberal or progressive. If conservatives want college kids to support them maybe they should look at their platform.
[editline]16th March 2014[/editline]
You know, the platform of puritanical social policy and an economic policy that would make college extremely hard to achieve for everyone below upper-middle class by cutting federal education benefits, grants, and restrictions on private loan companies.
These things don't really appeal to college students :v:
[QUOTE=wooletang;44255932]Anyone who is protests against abortion is an asshole. [/QUOTE]
It's not as clear cut as that.
[QUOTE=Centurio;44256857]Is it really right for the Church to have such a strong view on abortion if Jesus didn't talk about it directly?
Just wondering[/QUOTE]
It wasn't a big thing when Christ was around. But it's a pretty big damn deal with pretty big damn implications if Christianity is true. I don't strongly oppose a church's opinion.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;44261213]First off, "hostile?" Not really the word I'd use. Maybe it's that way in Canada.
Secondly, what's the solution? College campuses tend to be more liberal or progressive because young college students are generally more liberal or progressive. If conservatives want college kids to support them maybe they should look at their platform.
[editline]16th March 2014[/editline]
You know, the platform of puritanical social policy and an economic policy that would make college extremely hard to achieve for everyone below upper-middle class by cutting federal education benefits, grants, and restrictions on private loan companies.
These things don't really appeal to college students :v:[/QUOTE]
Doesn't mean that people shouldn't be respectable adults, especially ones who have PHD's.
Honestly, I would pass up a college which allows it's professors to be such childish idiots. Universities are supposed to encourage debates and discussions, not try to silence the opposition....
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44261337]Doesn't mean that people shouldn't be respectable adults, especially ones who have PHD's.
Honestly, I would pass up a college which allows it's professors to be such childish idiots. Universities are supposed to encourage debates and discussions, not try to silence the opposition....[/QUOTE]
For the professor to have thought this was a good idea, there has to have been more to it than the new article is telling us. Any form of baiting, being a ignorant shitlord to a stupid extent, etc. could cause someone who actually cares about their academic strengths to snap. Considering she taught feminist studies, it's quite likely that was a massive reason why she took this action. Pro-life is pretty terrible for women in modern feminist thought after all (and it is to be honest).
[QUOTE=juhana;44256561]Pro-abortionist viewpoint:
"BAH BAH BAH! I need my 100% consequence-free sex as promised by the 1960s counterculture!!! But wait, what's [I]THIS[/I]? An uwanted pregnancy? Sex isn't a 100% safe activity? Could it be that those people were wrong??? Nah, I'll just dehumanise the unborn child (and accept abortion) instead of re-examining my hedonist philosophy!!!"[/QUOTE]
What are you even trying to say?
Excuse me if I don't believe a ridiculous story made up by a 16 year old girl.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;44261023]If you hold the sanctity of human life -notice, human life, not personhood[/QUOTE]
The question is, what constitutes a human life? I would say that it depends on what the mother thinks until you're born.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44256012]That's because most of their ideas are ignorant, heartless, or have been proven as ineffective.[/QUOTE]
I don't think so. The viewpoints can be considered ineffective, but the majority being left wing has been usually decided by the teachers and peers at the campuses the students attend.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;44255864]
"Survivors of the Abortion Holocaust" what the fuck
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Sounds like a statement from our political right-wing party.
They call themselves the "new jews"...
Which reminds me... What the f*ck is wrong with my country? :suicide:
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;44255864]
"Survivors of the Abortion Holocaust" what the fuck[/QUOTE]
When you think about it, we're all survivors of the abortion holocaust.
[QUOTE=ATribeCalledQ;44257853]Why don't you go learn some fucking empathy, take it from somebody who had to deal with getting an abortion when I was 16. It's not easy, and you're being an asshole about the situation.
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Feminists love abortion because it's not cool when somebody of the opposite sex tells you what you can do with your own body. Doesn't that seem a littel sexist to have a bunch of older, straight, white men telling a bunch of women what they should and shouldn't do with your body?
[URL="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/10/how-i-lost-faith-in-the-pro-life-movement.html"]A comprehensive global study of abortion has concluded that abortion rates are similar in countries where it is legal and those where it is not, suggesting that outlawing the procedure does little to deter women seeking it.[/URL][/QUOTE]
While I generally agree with you, it's a bit of a sweeping generalisation to say "feminists love abortion" since it's not a collective ideology. There are those that are for and against it, but I guess you know that anyway.
[QUOTE=darkride196;44262826]I don't think so. The viewpoints can be considered ineffective, but the majority being left wing has been usually decided by the teachers and peers at the campuses the students attend.[/QUOTE]
No, their viewparts ARE ineffective. If you don't agree then you aren't paying attention.
Lets talk about fiscal conservatism. The idea of trickle down economics has long since been shown as ineffective. The idea that lowering taxes and giving the rich more money never worked, Reaganomics does't work. All that money ends up in tax havens and just increases wealth inequality. Also unsurprisingly high amounts of wealth inequality have been shown to hurt the economy, and the USA has one of the highest wealth inequalities in the world.
The Glass Stegal act was gutted by the democrats in an act of deregulation, which eventually load to huge increase NINA loans. NINA/NINJA loans were one of the big reasons behind the 2008 housing bubble and the subprime mortgage crisis. Unsuprisingly the financial sector can't be left to regulate itself and government regulation is required. Deregulation (which is a deeply seeded conservative ideology) actually hurts more than it help, I don't know why I have to explain this. Both your parties are too conservative, and the Republicans are basically just a joke.
I shouldn't even have to talk about why social conservatism is bad, until 1967 there were a large number of states who didn't even allow interracial marriage. That is most likely within your parents lifetime, think about that. If you identify as a social conservative then you are basically just a bigot.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44268676]No, their viewparts ARE ineffective. If you don't agree then you aren't paying attention.
Lets talk about fiscal conservatism. The idea of trickle down economics has long since been shown as ineffective. The idea that lowering taxes and giving the rich more money never worked, Reaganomics does't work. All that money ends up in tax havens and just increases wealth inequality. Also unsurprisingly high amounts of wealth inequality have been shown to hurt the economy, and the USA has one of the highest wealth inequalities in the world.
The Glass Stegal act was gutted by the democrats in an act of deregulation, which eventually load to huge increase NINA loans. NINA/NINJA loans were one of the big reasons behind the 2008 housing bubble and the subprime mortgage crisis. Unsuprisingly the financial sector can't be left to regulate itself. Deregulation and conservative ideologies actually hurt more than they help, I don't know why I have to explain this. Both your parties are too conservative, and the Republicans are basically just a joke.
I shouldn't even have to talk about why social conservatism is bad, until 1967 there were a large number of states who didn't even allow interracial marriage. That is most likely within your parents lifetime, think about that. If you identify as a social conservative then you are basically just a bigot.[/QUOTE]
Every ideology is wrong except for yours how did I never see this before!
Half the country is dead wrong how can they be so damn stupid.
I get your points and can agree with some but honestly I think you're being a bit of a douche about it all.
I can see pro-life peoples argument it's not like they have no merit. I just personally don't feel that (that) life is as sacred as they believe it is.
[QUOTE=Aman;44268760]Every ideology is wrong except for yours how did I never see this before!
Damn half the country is dead wrong how can they be so damn stupid.
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Wow did you even read what I said? Please read before posting.
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Literally just gave you 6ish lines about why american conservatives are wrong and all you do is mock me
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44268770]Wow did you even read what I said? Please read before posting.
[editline]17th March 2014[/editline]
Literally just gave you 6ish lines about why american conservatives are wrong and all you do is mock me[/QUOTE]
You seem to think your ideology is golden and infallible while others are shit.
Reality is shades of grey and both systems can function in their own rights.
It's more about how the populous wants to be governed and their values.
[QUOTE=Aman;44268795]You seem to think your ideology is golden and infallible while others are shit.
Reality is shades of grey and both systems can function in their own rights.
It's more about how the populous wants to be governed and their values.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm not saying my ideology is the best, I'm saying American conservatives are flatout wrong and the American political spectrum is far too right wing.
You guys support a system which has long been since shown as ineffective. Doesn't take a genius to point out the flaws in something so heavily flawed.
[editline]17th March 2014[/editline]
I honestly can't believe Americans have such an issue with things like: Regulation, socialized healthcare, gay marriage, etc.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44268846]You guys support a system which has long been since shown as ineffective. [/QUOTE]
Aman lives in Ontario??
[QUOTE=Aman;44268795]You seem to think your ideology is golden and infallible while others are shit.[/Quote]
Nowhere in his post did he imply that.
[quote]Reality is shades of grey and both systems can function in their own rights.[/quote]
This is meaningless.
[quote]It's more about how the populous wants to be governed and their values.[/QUOTE]
If the populace wants to outlaw abortion does that make it morally correct and the most effective policy?
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44268889]Aman lives in Ontario??[/QUOTE]
Opps, I meant American Conservatives. I assumed he was one because he was defending them.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44268974]Opps, I meant American Conservatives. I assumed he was one because he was defending them.[/QUOTE]
"If you're not with us you're against us"
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44268986]"If you're not with us you're against us"[/QUOTE]
Why would you mock somebody you're agreeing with?
[editline]17th March 2014[/editline]
You don't even make sense
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44268986]"If you're not with us you're against us"[/QUOTE]
to be fair being a centrist in relation to American politics more or less requires you to be an apologist as well
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44269434]Why would you mock somebody you're agreeing with?
[editline]17th March 2014[/editline]
You don't even make sense[/QUOTE]
Because he thinks you're being a douche in the way you present your opinion on American conservatism.
I dunno dude it's literally in his post, hope that makes sense for you
Why? I'm tired of same uneducated opinions being passed around. How am I supposed to get people to stop believing in antiquated and broken systems?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44269587]Why? I'm tired of same uneducated opinions being passed around. How am I supposed to get people to stop believing in antiquated and broken systems?[/QUOTE]
I don't know, I'm not Aman. I'm just explaining his post to you because apparently you need help with that.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44262792]The question is, what constitutes a human life? I would say that it depends on what the mother thinks until you're born.[/QUOTE]
Oh my god
@sloppy_joes
Sorry dude, I just woke from a supposed 30 mins nap....turned out to be 4 hours...so I will have to concentrate on homework and reading stuff.
Though, I wonder, is it legal to take pictures of the text and upload it here?
Umm... guys... there's a fine line between a woman doing what she wants with her body and essentially killing another human being. Yes, they are human beings. Go look at pictures of aborted infants and tell me it's humane to kill them. You can throw around all this scientific stuff about how it's not technically a person yet, but the fact is it will become a person, and to me, it sure looks like a person. While I agree that Earth is heavily populated, and it would be beneficial to allow abortion solely for that reason, I don't see how it's morally just in any way. If we allow abortion, why not just legalize murder so long as it benefits us personally? Ultimately, that's what it is. The woman doesn't want the baby because she will be negatively affected by having it. So if we're negatively affected by other people, I suppose we should just be allowed to kill them. I do support abortion in cases of proven rape, as I believe it is at least somewhat morally justifiable to allow a woman to correct something that was [b]out of her control[/b].
I'm not saying this because I'm a religious nutjob or something. Believe it or not, religious individuals aren't the only people with this philosophy. Weird, huh. Who would've guessed?
[QUOTE=Swagalackin;44269963]Umm... guys... there's a fine line between a woman doing what she wants with her body and essentially killing another human being. Yes, they are human beings. Go look at pictures of aborted infants and tell me it's humane to kill them. You can throw around all this scientific stuff about how it's not technically a person yet, but the fact is it will become a person, and to me, it sure looks like a person. While I agree that Earth is heavily populated, and it would be beneficial to allow abortion solely for that reason, I don't see how it's morally just in any way. If we allow abortion, why not just legalize murder so long as it benefits us personally? Ultimately, that's what it is. The woman doesn't want the baby because she will be negatively affected by having it. So if we're negatively affected by other people, I suppose we should just be allowed to kill them. I do support abortion in cases of proven rape, as I believe it is at least somewhat morally justifiable to allow a woman to correct something that was [b]out of her control[/b].
I'm not saying this because I'm a religious nutjob or something. Believe it or not, religious individuals aren't the only people with this philosophy. Weird, huh. Who would've guessed?[/QUOTE]
If we take the view that a foetus is [B]able[/B] to be a human being, then we enter a problematic area. Semen, eggs, both of these can become humans, is destroying them as abhorrent as aborting a foetus? For 9 months it's nothing more than a parasite, it cannot survive by itself outside of the womb (hence why we put premature births into big-ass life support chambers). We can estimate roughly when a foetus gains some form of thought, so that's probably a good cut-off point for aborting it, but we don't abort them late into pregnancy unless it's dangerous for the mother to continue carrying the baby, because an abortion that late is pretty dangerous in itself.
Just because something has the chance to be another thing does not mean it is that other thing and should be treated like that thing.
A parasite...well....you are surely using the wrong term for the concept your head is applying....
A parasite is external to the host....the foetus is not. Plus, the foetus has a different DNA than his mother. So it's not the same as scratching a nail against the wall or taking out one of your organs.
Quoting again Singer:
[QUOTE][The argument that a fetus is not alive] is a resort to a convenient fiction that turns an evidently living being into one that legally is not alive. Instead of accepting such fictions, we should recognise that the fact that a being is human, and alive, does not in itself tell us whether it is wrong to take that being's life.[25]
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[QUOTE=Swagalackin;44269963]Umm... guys... there's a fine line between a woman doing what she wants with her body and essentially killing another human being. Yes, they are human beings. Go look at pictures of aborted infants and tell me it's humane to kill them. You can throw around all this scientific stuff about how it's not technically a person yet, but the fact is it will become a person, and to me, it sure looks like a person. While I agree that Earth is heavily populated, and it would be beneficial to allow abortion solely for that reason, I don't see how it's morally just in any way. If we allow abortion, why not just legalize murder so long as it benefits us personally? Ultimately, that's what it is. The woman doesn't want the baby because she will be negatively affected by having it. So if we're negatively affected by other people, I suppose we should just be allowed to kill them. I do support abortion in cases of proven rape, as I believe it is at least somewhat morally justifiable to allow a woman to correct something that was [b]out of her control[/b].
I'm not saying this because I'm a religious nutjob or something. Believe it or not, religious individuals aren't the only people with this philosophy. Weird, huh. Who would've guessed?[/QUOTE]
If you think they're people, and that killing them is the same as murder (as you allude to in your post by mentioning "legalizing murder"), why is it suddenly okay to abort just because you were raped?
This is a glaring inconsistency I see pop up all the time and one I've never gotten a straight answer for. A rape victim can't and shouldn't get away with murder. So if you think abortion is murder, why make the exception?
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