I'm English, but I want Obama to win, but I pretty much think if you're a Woman or gay, and you're voting for Romney, you've obviously got something wrong with you
Or you're super rich
[QUOTE=Jimbojib;37604029]I'm English, but I want Obama to win, but I pretty much think if you're a Woman or gay, and you're voting for Romney, you've obviously got something wrong with you
Or you're super rich[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone in the UK supports Romney. The only reason Obama's having trouble is the economy, and that doesn't affect us so all we see is this awesome guy who killed bin Laden, ended the Iraq War, intervened in Libya, made America not look like world police and Britain like their bitch etc
[QUOTE=yawmwen;37593598]I believe that if you vote, you are just justifying an oppressive and undemocratic system.[/QUOTE]
Here's a fun fact: when there's a low voter turnout, radicals have a higher chance of getting in. When radicals get in, they make negative changes to the voting system.
This "oppressive and undemocratic system" is caused by your exact mindset. So go on, keep on abstaining; thing's won't improve.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;37604142]Here's a fun fact: when there's a low voter turnout, radicals have a higher chance of getting in. When radicals get in, they make negative changes to the voting system.
This "oppressive and undemocratic system" is caused by your exact mindset. So go on, keep on abstaining; thing's won't improve.[/QUOTE]
Considering that the system has been pretty similar to this since its birth, I would say you are totally full of shit.
[QUOTE=KorJax;37596636]:words:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;37604142]Here's a fun fact: when there's a low voter turnout, radicals have a higher chance of getting in. When radicals get in, they make negative changes to the voting system.
This "oppressive and undemocratic system" is caused by your exact mindset. So go on, keep on abstaining; thing's won't improve.[/QUOTE]
The point is that when you "don't get the vote out", it's not one kid whose mindset goes "my vote doesn't make a difference :(", its millions whose mindsets become that. Your single vote won't make a difference but when you believe it does, that causes some others to believe the same thing. Say 50 million people believed their vote didn't matter, but if ALL of them voted, it would cause a huge impact on the outcome of the election. Yet each of these people's mindset is set only on there one vote, not the bigger picture. Voting encourages others to vote to. It's terrible to see fp being so passionate about Obama winning reelection and then going "hurr i hope obama wins but i dont vote cuz it dont matter if i do". If you want to directly make an impact, rally your neighbors or volunteer with the campaign. It's the activist who makes the biggest difference on who votes locally (other then the person running themselves). If you can convince a few friends or random people who weren't gonna vote or vote against your canidate of choice to vote for your person, then you HAVE made a difference. Remember, if you don't vote, your falling right into the republicans plan on keeping people away from the polls.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;37604142]Here's a fun fact: when there's a low voter turnout, radicals have a higher chance of getting in. When radicals get in, they make negative changes to the voting system.
This "oppressive and undemocratic system" is caused by your exact mindset. So go on, keep on abstaining; thing's won't improve.[/QUOTE]
The popular vote in America is meaningless. We need changes in our election system.
[QUOTE=TestECull;37604360]The popular vote in America is meaningless. We need changes in our election system.[/QUOTE]
I always think you're British because of Clarkson
[QUOTE=smurfy;37604130]I don't think anyone in the UK supports Romney. The only reason Obama's having trouble is the economy, and that doesn't affect us so all we see is this awesome guy who killed bin Laden, ended the Iraq War, intervened in Libya, made America not look like world police and Britain like their bitch etc[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean 'but' as in I'm English :- I want Romney
And nah, I just like Obama because he seems to be the most left leaning in major American politics, which I like
at least, most left leaning that will actually ever have a chance of winning
This thread has informed me of how flawed the USA's voting system is. I can see why a lot of people from the USA say their vote won't matter.
[QUOTE=DJK;37605981]This thread has informed me of how flawed the USA's voting system is. I can see why a lot of people from the USA say their vote won't matter.[/QUOTE]
Its flawed but in a way makes sense.
The biggest problem is that the media, education system, and campaigns put all the emphasis on voting for your president, when voting for your president is purely a symbolic action.
Hardly anyone I know actually votes in the state elections (which ARE real votes), and theres hardly anyone I know who even knows who or what is involved in them. The only part of the state elections anyone every bothers to vote on is when a state is voting in a proposition (i.e. legalizing gay marraige, banning casinos, etc).
If the media, education system, campaigning, etc all had the focus put in your local state elections, the parties/people you support in your region, etc we'd find the system work a lot better. Because these are the people who are actually voted in power by us, these are the people who actually make our state/government laws, and these are the people who vote in the president - the big ol' guy who can veto laws or push certain party platforms on a federal level.
Honestly though I wish we had a multi-party system like Europe. It is so much more relevant in this day and age than what we have now (when voting in represenatives, the party/person that gets majority vote wins even if he only wins by 52%, and all 5-6 other nominees "lose"). The problem with our system is that it basically forces 2 parties to exists.Europe's/Britian (can't remember exactly) system makes much more sense - the party with X percent of the votes gets X percent of the seats on the house. So if you are voting for the libertarian party, and that party only gets 10% of the votes, then instead of you having ZERO say (what happens in america where you need majority to win it all), you get 10% of the seats represented in the house. So EVERYONE generally gets a proper say. Sure there are still dominant party's in that system, but the point is that it isn't "one party rules all" like in America - everyone has a fair share/say. It's much less corruptable.
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