• Call to amend NSW gun laws after kid seen with "realistic" looking toy gun
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[QUOTE=Grenadiac;47927959]Frankly that just looks like someone painted their AR15 some obnoxious "zombie killer" color as is trending these days. [img]http://i.imgur.com/L3ZTaUy.jpg[/img] This is a real firearm...[/QUOTE] how much for this cs:go skin good sir
I personally never understood how orange tip is supposed to work. It's far too easy to add that to a real gun. Have there been cases where criminals used a real gun with a fake orange tip for some sort of crime?
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;47927959]Frankly that just looks like someone painted their AR15 some obnoxious "zombie killer" color as is trending these days. [img]http://i.imgur.com/L3ZTaUy.jpg[/img] This is a real firearm...[/QUOTE] this is like concept art for the dream gun of some white trash 14 year old in the middle of bumfucknowhere
One thing I can say for sure is that every effort made to legalize airsoft in NSW has been completely reversed because suddenly everyone is afraid of guns again.
[QUOTE=J!NX;47928914]this is like concept art for the dream gun of some white trash 14 year old in the middle of bumfucknowhere[/QUOTE] The same kind of kid that modifies GTA to fill it with sports cars, even in the ghetto areas?
Just to clear it up, it is NOT illegal in the US to own a replica firearm(toy gun, airsoft gun, so on) that has no orange tip. It's only illegal to ship them without an orange tip. Many of my airsoft guns have no orange tip. Difference being i dont take them into public places. They stay safely ensconced in my room until i go out to a game, and i transport them in locked gun cases. Responsible gun ownership extends to airsoft guns too, because there is very little difference visually until you crack them open. While open carry is totally alright in some states, and that would extend to airsoft guns too, technically, i know that to do so would be reckless, and put others and my own lives at risk, and potentially cause panic. If its a dumb idea to do it with a real gun, it's still pretty dumb with a fake one too.
[QUOTE=WarRage333;47928883]how much for this cs:go skin good sir[/QUOTE] 3 cents, battle scarred 10 dollars
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;47928135]And it's only 'realistic' if yer stupid enough to start panicking rather than take a few seconds to check it over.[/QUOTE] Hmm that man looks to be pointing a gun toward me, but it could be a toy so I'd better not panic until I oh look at that I am now dead
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;47927940]Europe has(well, we do so I assume the rest of Europe does something similar at least). Over here if it's a toy, orange tip, if it's airsoft, both the gun barrel and the stock have to be in bright colours, usually fluorescent yellow or red like so: [t]http://i.imgur.com/oLKnmZ8.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] In Norway there's no rules for this. I've never seen an airsoft gun with an orange tip. When I see someone in real life carrying a gun and it's not the kings guard, it's an airsoft gun. (not even the police carries guns) People are pretty lax over here about that kind of stuff.
While others have said that the toy in question is indeed just a toy, I agree with others that it is painted and made to appear as a small rifle. If the child attempted to aim the toy at someone or something, he could very well generate some type of panic which shows gross irresponsibility by both the parents and also sort of by the toy manufacturer. In this case, the parents are being disrespectful and downright idiotic with their child, but to me from the picture, that toy looks very much like a rifle and if one is not able to inspect the toy beforehand, or actually get close to the child, there are those out there (law enforcement and otherwise) that wouldn't hesitate to shoot which would just be another tragedy in the making. Personally, children's toys sold in big box stores shouldn't be made to look remotely like real weapons. I don't know if the solution is legislation or just companies being more responsible, but unless one is aiming to create a replica weapon, something to be used in war games (airsoft, paintball, or other recreational war games) or creating an actual weapon, its not a smart thing to be making toys that are hard to distinguish from real firearms from a distance. Also, while the toy is too small to be even a replica AK-47, or even something like a AKS-74u, remember that all sorts of guns are manufactured these days of all sizes and looks. I own an actual firearm that mimicks an AR-15 but is about 20% smaller and could pass for an airsoft gun or even a toy. Sure it only fires 22lr, but that's still a lethal firearm that is small enough to pass for a large toy. EDIT: Gun I own is an Smith and Wesson MP15, which similar to the toy in the picture has a magazine with open sides, allowing one to see the ammunition, so its not unheard of.
[QUOTE=J!NX;47927864]that gun is too obviously tiny to actually be an ak47 but that is pretry 'real' from a distance for sure[/QUOTE] Some people are easily spooked by angular objects. In elementary school I managed to scare the shit out of some mom with one of these. [IMG]http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/T/M/TM-MINI-G3A3_2_MARK.jpg[/IMG] When I heard about her reaction; I could only wonder: "is this lady retarded?"
[QUOTE=Sunday_Roast;47933667]Some people are easily spooked by angular objects. In elementary school I managed to scare the shit out of some mom with one of these. [IMG]http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/T/M/TM-MINI-G3A3_2_MARK.jpg[/IMG] When I heard about her reaction; I could only wonder: "is this lady retarded?"[/QUOTE] pretty spoopy
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;47927536]Orange tips are a wonderful thing. Seriously, I'm sorta surprised that the rest of the world hasn't adopted orange tips as something required by law :v:[/QUOTE] Ahahah nope, sorry, but that depends on the country. Yeah in America, you may wanna put an orange tip on your toy gun, but in say fucking Finland? Nah, completely unnecessary. (Talking about the risk of dying to a cop.)
[QUOTE=Sableye;47928363]No it's illegal in some states for the end user to remove the tip, my state Ohio for sure with the semi-recent shooting of a kid who did just that, the news was quick to point out that his toy gun had been illegally modified to look like the real thing [editline]11th June 2015[/editline] It always kind of annoyed me that airsoft went towards realistic guns when the mechanism could basically be used in any number of fictional weapons from movies that wouldn't be confused, and plus there's so much more room to be creative when you just have to have a very small mechanism like airsoft guns do[/QUOTE] Airsoft guns are intended to look realistic because they first became popular in Japan, where it's impossible to own real firearms, as a way for firearms enthusiasts to be able to collect realistic replica firearms.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;47935429]Ahahah nope, sorry, but that depends on the country. Yeah in America, you may wanna put an orange tip on your toy gun, but in say fucking Finland? Nah, completely unnecessary. (Talking about the risk of dying to a cop.)[/QUOTE] It all comes down to your behavior. If you act menacing and don't comply with requests/commands, then you're going to get hurt.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;47927940]Europe has(well, we do so I assume the rest of Europe does something similar at least). Over here if it's a toy, orange tip, if it's airsoft, both the gun barrel and the stock have to be in bright colours, usually fluorescent yellow or red like so: [t]http://i.imgur.com/oLKnmZ8.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] most of europe has laws nothing like this UK requires UKARA registration to comply with the VCRA, which lets you obtain fully black imitation firearms. they have to be concealed in a weapon box during transport and must not be revealed in any public area and most of mainland europe has no major laws. sweden classes them as toy guns; which is generally not a problem. in countries with laws like this (scandinavian countries, japan) most people assume any firearm is a toy or owned by a sportsman. the UK has a lot of areas where people are particularly scared of weapons for potentially valid reasons, so we can't really have such lax laws [editline]12th June 2015[/editline] the UK really has the best airsoft replica laws IMO. requires site registration. play three times in no less than two months and be over 18, then you can buy black imitation firearms (RIF's). otherwise guns must be at least 40% luminescent colored. the site registration situation is to ensure that anyone applying for a license has a reason to have one and that it's being moderated through the correct channels legal limit of 373FPS with a .2g projectile. anything higher is technically classed as an air rifle firearm, unless it's a bolt action. then the limit is a little higher must be concealed in any public area, and can not be seen from public land in to a private space (has to be hidden in a car: in the boot, or in a gun case). in practical terms, they have to be treated like real firearms unless you're on a registered airsoft site. with laws like this, you have peace of mind that people will have to treat their imitation firearms like real weapons and keep them hidden / of the appropriate power rating, whilst not hindering actual gameplay and simulation [I]inside[/I] aforementioned registered sites the only thing the blanket ban on black imitation firearms is going to do is give criminals the incentive to do that to real weapons to stay under the radar somewhat.
What is there left to amend, they already took away all the fun stuff.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;47927799]I'm a little confused as to what parent would think it would be okay for them or their child to carry around a replica gun? /QUOTE] This isn't the issue for me, the issue is that it's where the fucking Martin Place siege happened.
what happens if you paint a real gun orange? pretty abusable, how about just dont walk around with guns???
the kid looks brown as well i bet that doesnt help the baby probably has a gas powered pram with rockets attached
[QUOTE=mokkan;47937992]what happens if you paint a real gun orange? pretty abusable, how about just dont walk around with guns???[/QUOTE] What would that mean for airsoft/paintball? :(
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