So does that mean Valve will have to get rid of the directed camera in dota or what.
It was made before so no. But with the recent awfulness of the parent office they probably want to sue competition
[QUOTE=Elspin;43805605]They do have some claim to it though given that the original creator of dota allstars works at Riot. Since he left it to icefrog though it should probably stay with him.[/QUOTE]According to his Twitter he left/got fired last year.
[QUOTE=SgtWoodsy;43806490]According to his Twitter he left/got fired last year.[/QUOTE]
You sure? I can't find anything aside from like one random twitter post and his current twitter says his twitter was hacked. Either way it wouldn't change anything, at the time of the said attempted patent he was working there I believe. Still, that's news to me. I haven't played LoL in quite a while so I hadn't heard
No, just fucking no Riot.
I've readed title as Riot Patients instead of Riot Patents
Thought riot makes some game about rioting patients in hospital which includes unique spectator mode :v:
[QUOTE=Banned?;43805551]Dota 2 has had this since 2011.[/QUOTE]
Goldsrc had this from 1997, this is horseshit
Well I think we can safely say that the law department at riot is filled with people who have no idea that other games exist.
[QUOTE=Elspin;43806627]You sure? I can't find anything aside from like one random twitter post and his current twitter says his twitter was hacked. Either way it wouldn't change anything, at the time of the said attempted patent he was working there I believe. Still, that's news to me. I haven't played LoL in quite a while so I hadn't heard[/QUOTE]I am honestly not 100% sure but from talking to some Riot folks I know they haven't said otherwise.
and I thought all Riot was doing was making my brother over-addicted to LoL
now this
At least they're not trademarking the term LoL. [i][sp]or candy[/sp][/i]
[QUOTE=latin_geek;43805908]This is for a patent where the spectator mode gauges areas/characters by "what's the most interesting thing currently on the battlefield" and the camera switches to that, it doesn't sound that bad at all.
Still, it's a shit patent. That kind of stuff would be necessary if anyone makes some 200-player game that's designed to be watched, going through players by any other order would be tedious.[/QUOTE]
Except that this isn't a valid fucking patent seeing as this has been around for decades.
sue every game developer
How long before companies start patenting genres?
[QUOTE=V12US;43808730]How long before companies start patenting genres?[/QUOTE]
Not too long I fear. I mean, they're already patenting words and shapes.
[editline]6th February 2014[/editline]
Btw, has anyone tried patenting the concept of "killing things with guns" yet?
There's gotta be millions to get there.
You guys are blowing this way the fuck out of proportion. Riot is a pretty shitty company as far as PR goes and patenting their spectator mode (which is more about the way it specifically functions in their game than the presence of a spectator mode in general) was kind of a petty move, but it's not going to ruin the video game industry forever.
All things considered Riot Games is a tiny-ass company that has made one single game that they're profiting the fuck out of (like they should), it doesn't have any sort of power to ruin or command anything.
[QUOTE=Elspin;43805452]I don't get how they got this, plenty of games did this before LoL did[/QUOTE]
Because nobody's used the exact implementation described in the patent, which is very specific about what they're trying to patent, and as usual SH is freaking out over headlines instead of reading the facts for themselves.
[editline]6th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=V12US;43808730]How long before companies start patenting genres?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;43808917]Not too long I fear. I mean, they're already patenting words and shapes.[/QUOTE]
It's 2014 and people still don't understand patents and trademarks. Don't they cover this in school?
[QUOTE=catbarf;43809223]Because nobody's used the exact implementation described in the patent, which is very specific about what they're trying to patent, and as usual SH is freaking out over headlines instead of reading the facts for themselves.[/QUOTE]
It's a well known fact that most people in SH only read the title, and when it comes to patents they'll complain about it without actually reading what the patent is.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43805731]It's more that when you see patent involvement and manipulation it sorta hints at something more sinister.
Like, let's say theoretically:- Riot got the patent to the concept of a MOBA, despite other ones having previously existed.
Then they started vehemently tackling anyone who tried to do anything with a MOBA, whether that be improving the concept, making a derivate or even mixing it with other genres - effectively forcing everyone who wanted to play a MOBA into playing their version.
That would be an entirely unacceptable practice in my eyes, completely stifling a genre for the sake of the money.
Imagine if Valve had pulled that shit on anyone who tried to make mods. Or anyone who used a 'buy menu' like Counter-Strike had. Or worse still, anyone who tried to digitally distribute games. But they don't, and to my knowledge they never have. If they were a public company this would likely be a different story, because it'd be purely in the interest of maximising profit - but Gabe isn't a money-grabber, and so private it remains.
The question is:- Would Riot games carry out these patent-actions? If they were granted any such patents?
My answer is Yes. They would. Absolutely. Based on their recent actions in invoking patent involvement, I'd say they would certainly do just that. Purely for the sake of obvious greed. They've proved themselves to be too immature and greedy to hold any patents.
Does that make them a contemptible company? Once again, it's a yes from me.[/QUOTE]
Oh there's more than that to despise about the big-wigs over at riot, let tell you a tale about PenDragon and Guinsoo;
Some time ago, between 2006/2007 PenDragon and Guinsoo made the decison to stop working on Dota All Stars, and, jump ship to start working Lol, pretty normal right? Dudes want to move on with their life and work on something else nothing fishy about that until we get to the details about their departure.
Now I should mention before they jumped ship to start developing Lol, they Plastered explosives all over the Dota All-stars hull, and, pissed in the fuel tanks, I can hear you now, [I]That's a bit of a stretch surely it wasn't that bad, and stop using nautical analogies you're terrible[/I], no I'm not exagerating, PenDragon who owned the Dota-Allstars site closed it down without warning, and had it redirect you to the league of legends website, keep in mind this was 2006/2007 games weren't as large as they are today and the website clocked millions of visitors, guinssoo himself just ditched the Dota team and left the mod to die, and it did seemed fated to died, the popular Dota-Allstars site was down guinssoo was nowhere to be found how could this small wc3 mod survive?
Icefrog that's how, he managed to take the burning wreckage that was Dota all-stars and transform it into what it is today.
[QUOTE=J!NX;43805542]I'm going to patent "first person character perspective"[/QUOTE]
Lets patent the top down view using in LoL
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43805590]Nope that's my opinion.
My opinion is that LoL is a bad game and I'd recommend people stay away from it.[/QUOTE]
tbf it's one of the most played games in the world
it's not a bad game if it really was then nobody would play it, i play everything from civ to dwarf fortress but there has been years since a game like LoL came up and stole all my spare time like that
its amazing
I'm just glad all my MOBA-age goes to Dota and Smite
I think I even bought a crap ass bracelet for a Dota hero for a dollar once
So does this mean games now can't have spectator modes just like no games can have loading screen minigames?
[QUOTE=TheCombine;43811556]So does this mean games now can't have spectator modes just like no games can have loading screen minigames?[/QUOTE]
No, this patent isn't enforceable, there is way too much usage of it prior to riot's patent, unless they patented a particular algorithm. In which case it doesn't matter much.
The US patent system is retarded, but it isn't -that- retarded.
[QUOTE=Miskav;43812242]No, this patent isn't enforceable, there is way too much usage of it prior to riot's patent, unless they patented a particular algorithm. In which case it doesn't matter much.
The US patent system is retarded, but it isn't -that- retarded.[/QUOTE]
You can sure as hell bet they'll try it though, and even if they don't succeed they'll drain competitor funds with legal fees.
[QUOTE=Elspin;43806627]You sure? I can't find anything aside from like one random twitter post and his current twitter says his twitter was hacked. Either way it wouldn't change anything, at the time of the said attempted patent he was working there I believe. Still, that's news to me. I haven't played LoL in quite a while so I hadn't heard[/QUOTE]
He got fired because he had a really problematic relation with another riot employee and it turned sour very publicly. The tweets he wrote where very much like a drama-queen. He basically got fired because he couldn't handle his break up.
[QUOTE=TheCombine;43811556]So does this mean games now can't have spectator modes just like no games can have loading screen minigames?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Miskav;43812242]there is way too much usage of it prior to riot's patent, unless they patented a particular algorithm[/QUOTE]
If only the OP had some kind of link to where you could find out with a minimum of additional effort. That'd be really cool.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43808948]All things considered Riot Games is a tiny-ass company [/QUOTE]
Riot has over 1000 employees and [del]at least seven[/del] eleven offices all around the world.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43808948]
All things considered Riot Games is a tiny-ass company that has made one single game that they're profiting the fuck out of (like they should), it doesn't have any sort of power to ruin or command anything.[/QUOTE]
They are owned by Tencent.
any form of "Tiny-ass company" is gone once your owned by one of the hugest tech companies on earth. Tencent even ran smear campaigns against dota 2 in china.
I don't really think Riot is the bad guy in this more so the people that allow stupid patent like these to be accepted. From a business perspective, it's smart to patent something like this but it really shouldn't be allowed. This shows how shitty the patenting system really is.
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