• Large child Donald "Trump" claims unbreakable party unity as major GOP figures turn against him
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[QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824791]Read the headline and the thick rhetoric/bias, why not just say "Major GOP Party Members Abandoning Trump"? That would be accurate. The circle jerk is "giant man-baby Hitler spoiled playboy fascist Trump".[/QUOTE] Yeah OP added some sass but it's still factually correct, right? That it is inaccurate for Trump to talk about unity when the party is fracturing. This isn't a false pretense, is it? [QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824791]You mentioned Trump's financial background several times so yes, you are criticizing him for it, don't back-pedal.[/QUOTE] Mentioning it several times doesn't mean I'm criticizing him for it.
[QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824710]How does anyone take you seriously when you can't even turn off your opinion for two seconds to see someone else's side of an argument? How can anyone take you seriously when you think that political experience is required for presidency? Do some studying on: Ulysses S. Grant Grover Cleveland Woodrow Wilson Dwight D. Eisenhower They had close to no political background and each achieved great things in their respective presidencies.[/QUOTE] Yeah military experience when they were lacking political experience. Yet you want a person with neither.
[QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824791] As Secretary of State, it's LITERALLY her job to second-guess and oversee what security forces are doing there.[/QUOTE] Eight investigations proved no wrongdoing on Clintons part regarding Benghazi. Please though, keep insinuating how dumb we are all and how greedily we devour whatever the media gives us while prattling on about the same Benghazi bullshit.
[QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824660]I fail to see how I've done anything that's considered breaking rules, other than having an opinion that you don't like. [editline]3rd August 2016[/editline] However you'd do well to read the rules yourself: - No low-content threads or posts. This includes image macros. - No content? Don't reply. - Don't go off-topic. And this one is frequently broken but nobody seems to care (especially since I'm crazy and full of myself): - Don't personally attack or flame other members you are debating a topic with.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824660]You must really be blind[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824660]just the same circle-jerk comments to ensure they get the maximum amount of good noodle stars. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824660]I'm just an idiot making things up :goodjob:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824660] you're too busy jumping on the bandwagon[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824660]Good try though buddy.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824660] your posting habits are on a junior-high level.[/QUOTE] and the best: [QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824296]I read the Democrat platform, it's lizard infiltrator garbage and is extremely unlikely to help the common human in any way whatsoever. See? Anyone can pretend they know what they're talking about without explaining their opinion beyond popular rhetoric. But your bellyfeel is doubleplus good, anything that isn't leftist is obviously crimethink.[/QUOTE] you sure do put a lot of effort into keeping things intellectual and cordial! [editline]3rd August 2016[/editline] almost every single post of yours insults everyone who disagrees with you
[QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824462]No but she abandoned Benghazi leading to unnecessary deaths, and almost single-handedly turned it into an ISIS safe zone, leading to further unnecessary deaths. So far her track record is objectively worse than your Trump speculation.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.factcheck.org/2016/04/trump-on-clintons-3-a-m-call/]Hillary was very involved with Benghazi.[/url] Everything that did go wrong was caused by people well below her, but [url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/15/us/clinton-benghazi/]she accepted full responsibility of it anyways.[/url] [quote]At around 8 p.m. (2 a.m. in Benghazi time), Clinton — with other senior staff on the line — called Gregory Hicks, deputy chief of mission at the Libyan embassy in Tripoli. Hicks testified that Clinton “asked me what was going on, and I briefed her on developments. Most of the conversation was about the search for Ambassador Stevens. It was also about what we were going to do with our personnel in Benghazi, and I told her that we would need to evacuate, and that was–she said that was the right thing to do.” [b]It should be noted that responsibility for the military response did not fall on Clinton[/b], but rather on Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Marty Dempsey. The actions taken by Clinton and others have been scrutinized in detail in several investigative reports, including by Republican-controlled House committees. Congressional committees and an independent board detailed the rescue attempts that night, carried out despite U.S. military assets not being in position to defend the Benghazi facility. [b]Those reports said there were no undue delays in responding to the attacks, and they pointedly rejected unfounded allegations that the U.S. response was deliberately thwarted by a “stand down” order.[/b][/quote] [quote]"I take responsibility," Clinton told CNN in an interview while on a visit to Peru. "I'm in charge of the State Department's 60,000-plus people all over the world, 275 posts. The president and the vice president wouldn't be knowledgeable about specific decisions that are made by security professionals. They're the ones who weigh all of the threats and the risks and the needs and make a considered decision." ... "I take this very personally," Clinton said. "So we're going to get to the bottom of it, and then we're going to do everything we can to work to prevent it from happening again, and then we're going to work to bring whoever did this to us to justice." [/quote]
Why am I not surprised that Silent-Bob is ignoring all the posts that prove him wrong or point out faulty logic and instead just sticks to crying about a liberal circle jerk It's literally what every single Trump supporter does when they come in here. No admissions of fault with Trump or a defined list of things they support that Trump plans to do. Just vague rhetoric and a blind hatred for Hillary. At least the people voting for Hillary or at least not voting for Trump can admit what she's done wrong. It doesn't make your argument weaker to admit your preferred candidate isn't perfect. In fact it only weakens it.
Maybe Facepunch harbors a lot of people who dislike Trump because of the things he says and does and his general attitude during this entire election. I mean with a guy that has the highest disapproval rating in history that seems like a valid narrative.
[QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824710] Do some studying on: Ulysses S. Grant Grover Cleveland Woodrow Wilson Dwight D. Eisenhower [/QUOTE] What each was before becoming president: - General - Governor - Governor - General Trump has no experience leading anything other than shitty businesses.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50824823]Yeah military experience when they were lacking political experience. Yet you want a person with neither.[/QUOTE] Once again, I never said anywhere that I supported Trump. However, someone with a business background as extensive and successful as his has strong leadership experience. [editline]3rd August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=IrishBandit;50824866]Trump has no experience leading anything other than shitty businesses.[/QUOTE] Yeah running shitty businesses is easy, why aren't you a billionaire too if it's so easy? [editline]3rd August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=ThatSwordGuy;50824863]Why am I not surprised that Silent-Bob is ignoring all the posts that prove him wrong or point out fault logic and instead just stick to crying about a liberal circle jerk [/QUOTE] Show me what I ignored and I'll address it. Meanwhile, address the points I've made on the last page. Don't be a hypocrite.
[QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824872]Yeah running shitty businesses is easy, why aren't you a billionaire too if it's so easy?[/QUOTE] It's almost as if Trump inherited a business to begin with and got a 'small' loan of a million dollars to start off with. EDIT: I'm sorry for being a ninja :(
-fucking ninja'd-
[QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824872] Show me what I ignored and I'll address it. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Raidyr;50824808]Yeah OP added some sass but it's still factually correct, right? That it is inaccurate for Trump to talk about unity when the party is fracturing. This isn't a false pretense, is it? [/QUOTE] It's a really simple question.
[QUOTE=Mining Bill;50824842]and the best: you sure do put a lot of effort into keeping things intellectual and cordial! [editline]3rd August 2016[/editline] almost every single post of yours insults everyone who disagrees with you[/QUOTE] Ah, taking most of my posts out of context, well done. At least quote the whole thing. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Being a rude cunt and too blind to see it. Take a break." - Swebonny))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824872] Yeah running shitty businesses is easy, why aren't you a billionaire too if it's so easy? [/QUOTE] sure thing mate, I'll get right on being born rich brb
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50824895]It's a really simple question.[/QUOTE] I never disagreed with the content of the article, more the delivery and senseless bashing going on. So no, I don't and haven't claimed it's a false pretense.
[QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824872]Once again, I never said anywhere that I supported Trump. However, someone with a business background as extensive and successful as his has strong leadership experience. [editline]3rd August 2016[/editline] Yeah running shitty businesses is easy, why aren't you a billionaire too if it's so easy? [editline]3rd August 2016[/editline] Show me what I ignored and I'll address it. Meanwhile, address the points I've made on the last page. Don't be a hypocrite.[/QUOTE] You're wasting your breath. The Hillary marketing team is too strong, looking past partisan sensationalist headlines and using critical thinking is out of the question now.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50824919]You're wasting your breath. The Hillary marketing team is too strong, looking past partisan sensationalist headlines and using critical thinking is out of the question now.[/QUOTE] Everyone on this forum who's voting for hillary knows her shady shit, they just realize that trump is mathematically bad. Almost every single thing he's said is insulting, destructive, or a lie, yet whenever there's a thread about him, say, kicking out a mother and her baby the trumpeteers all turn up abscent.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50824032]ah yes, it's clearly a circle jerk when pro trump voters post trump news to show how much they love the guy and then someone else posts a anti trump piece but no you're totally right we're all of one opinion, we're all fucking sheep, no one thinks for themselves, you're oh so right.[/QUOTE] He does have a point that Facepunch has a sizable sub-community of people being very fervently opposed to Trump and fairly childish in the ways they go about discrediting him. Not to say that there isn't a sub-community of Trump supporters who have also posted their fair deal of inane insults retarding Clinton or Sanders.
[QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824912]I never disagreed with the content of the article, more the delivery and senseless bashing going on. So no, I don't and haven't claimed it's a false pretense.[/QUOTE] Okay so you don't disagree with the argument, you disagree with the tone. [QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50824919]You're wasting your breath. The Hillary marketing team is too strong, looking past partisan sensationalist headlines and using critical thinking is out of the question now.[/QUOTE] This thread is about to explode from the irony: Silent-Bob is the only person in this thread incapable of looking past the partisan headline.
Couldn't take his shitty snide remarks in every single post anymore.
If I may just drop in my two cents regardless of actual political views, if you have to resort to snide inane garbage to discredit a politician instead of just stating facts and accompanying them with your opinions/letting people decide for themselves then you probably don't have much of a point to begin with. Jokes are notwithstanding, they're jokes and only dipshits get mad about jokes.
[QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824462]Maybe not nuclear weapons (though I wouldn't put it past her) but she was absolutely all for the Iraq war and the giant, useless money-sink conflict that was: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary/[/url][/QUOTE] She voted for the [b]invasion of Iraq and toppling of Hussein[/b], believing it was justified [u]at the time[/u]. She did not vote for [b]the next 13 years of counterinsurgency.[/b] Your own article points this out, albeit only a year in she was already criticizing the Bush administration for going in with a bad plan. This is not on the same order of magnitude as "let's nuke Syria". [QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824462]No but she abandoned Benghazi leading to unnecessary deaths, and almost single-handedly turned it into an ISIS safe zone, leading to further unnecessary deaths. So far her track record is objectively worse than your Trump speculation.[/QUOTE] Irrelevant, and the twelve Republican-run tribunals have failed to dig up anything incriminating. If anything, Congress itself "abandoned" Benghazi by cutting funding. The only fault to the State Department was the really stupid response afterward, blaming it on a movie trailer and not a terrorist attack. Benghazi was not "Clinton's fault." but nvm i guess that's "objectively worse" than rendering NATO impotent (effectively, at least, by ignoring the mutual-defense pact) and betraying the former Soviet bloc to Putin's expansionism, along with support of the illegal invasion of Crimea lmao [QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824462]As if Clinton cares about human rights.. she continually victim-shames every woman that her husband has sexually assaulted: [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/us/politics/90s-scandals-threaten-to-erode-hillary-clintons-strength-with-women.html?_r=0[/url] Or a 12 year old rape victim: [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-stands-by-her-defense-of-1975-rape-suspect/[/url][/QUOTE] She's an unpleasant person who said some stupid things about blacks and women which she's mostly recovered from, putting forward the most left-wing platform the Democrats have ever had. This is not on the same level as [b][i]pledging to force the CIA to commit war crimes.[/i][/b] The kind of war crimes which, under the 1st and 4th Geneva Conventions, other countries are obliged to [b]actively seek out and prosecute.[/b] Don't even try that. [QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824462]Yeah, it's not an ideal stance and infringes several human rights, but if you read up on Putin's actions in Chechnya, you'll see how quickly it squelched terrorism.[/QUOTE] "but massacring civilians and destroying entire cities with artillery stopped the terrorists so its okay :)" If you say that in defense of a candidate for the US Presidency, you are objectively wrong. If you truly can't see the problem with that, I cannot help you. [QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824462]No, instead she'll do wonderful things that impact every American, like telling us what's in Area 51... [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-vows-to-investigate-ufos_us_5687073ce4b014efe0da95db[/url][/QUOTE] Man, that's so silly of her! Now we're getting to the [i]real[/i] dirt! [QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824462]It's hilarious that you think she gives a shit about the EPA anyway, her pockets are being lined by a Russian uranium company that illegally sells to overseas markets: [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html[/url] Of course, let's not forget how well Bill handled environmental pollution: [url]http://www.nytimes.com/1992/04/21/us/1992-campaign-candidate-s-record-arkansas-water-pollution-looms-campaign-issue.html?pagewanted=all[/url][/QUOTE] Are her policies iffy? Yes. Do I have serious problems with the Clinton Foundation? Yes. Is she better than an egomaniacal racist who claims global climate change, a fact agreed on by practically the entire scientific establishment, is a hoax created by the Chinese to RUIN AMERICA? Yes. [QUOTE=Silent-Bob;50824462]Ah, so now we take heed in what other world leader's think, because they're all doing a MAGNIFICENT job of keeping their countries under control. The United States has a track record of not giving a flying fuck what other leaders think, we didn't become a super power by waiting for the rest of the world to tell us what to do.[/QUOTE] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2011/01/12/the-u-s-ranks-46th-in-civil-liberties/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2010/06/26/the-u-s-ranks-31st-in-quality-of-living/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2009/04/16/the-us-ranks-27th-in-longevity/[/url] [url]http://time.com/2888403/u-s-health-care-ranked-worst-in-the-developed-world/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2010/04/04/the-u-s-ranks-49th-in-life-expectancy-at-birth/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2009/06/08/the-u-s-ranks-41st-in-privacy/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/the-u-s-ranks-22nd-in-freedom-of-the-press/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2015/01/06/the-u-s-ranks-14th-in-education/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2013/12/04/the-u-s-ranks-24th-in-literacy/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2009/01/09/the-us-ranks-29th-in-science/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/the-us-ranks-35th-in-math/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2010/10/16/the-u-s-ranks-54th-in-education-expenditures/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2009/02/12/the-us-ranks-33rd-in-acceptance-of-evolution/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2009/10/03/the-u-s-ranks-34th-in-living-systems-scale/[/url] [url]http://theweek.com/speedreads/441508/united-states-ranked-21st-worldwide-personal-freedom[/url] [url]http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/09/college-tuition-increased-1100-percent-since-1978[/url] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/02/us/american-exceptionalism-other-countries-lessons/[/url] But wait... [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2009/03/30/the-us-ranks-1st-in-prosecutions/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2015/01/31/the-u-s-ranks-1st-in-prisoners-2/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/the-us-has-the-worlds-highest-incarceration-rate/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2010/11/13/the-u-s-ranks-2nd-in-liking-americans/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2014/10/30/the-u-s-ranks-2nd-in-ignorance/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2012/10/05/the-u-s-ranks-2nd-in-child-poverty-2/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/the-us-ranks-3rd-in-garbage/[/url] [url]https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2009/04/10/the-us-ranks-8th-in-death-penalty/[/url] :terrists: USA NUMBER ONE [img]http://sae.tweek.us/media/emoticons/emot-911.gif[/img] Please, continue to tell me you genuinely believe we're the best in the world, and how we made it by "not giving a flying fuck", and other meaningless catchphrases and jingoistic rhetoric that prove nothing.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50824931]He does have a point that Facepunch has a sizable sub-community of people being very fervently opposed to Trump and fairly childish in the ways they go about discrediting him.[/QUOTE] Whining about "circlejerking" doesn't do shit other than make it look like you're trying to be contrarian and stand out. That's all he was doing. I know it's the current trend to ~troll the libtards~ but I wish people would actually be good at it. If people ACTUALLY care and think this is a problem then they need to provide a solution otherwise it's just pointless whining.
[QUOTE=Luni;50824957]Stuff.[/QUOTE] Not going to quote it all (duh), but the whole notion that the USA is a super power still holds up if only for Prestige alone, not to mention the huge economical pressure they're able to apply on most parts of the world. America is not number one on statistics regarding quality of life or social progress or such things but that does not discredit them as a massive superpower due to their economy and the prestige accumulated from WW1, WW2 to an even larger degree and their history as a nation ever since the war of independence. Citing education/social progress as the sole criteria for a nation's classification in the world's most important/most powerful countries is a bit short-sighted, and fairly idealistic of you. Cynically speaking, the economical and political pressure you can singlehandedly apply on the world economy is a much more prominent factor than social progress, or how educated your average citizens are. [QUOTE=spekter;50824966]Whining about "circlejerking" doesn't do shit other than make it look like you're trying to be contrarian and stand out. That's all he was doing. I know it's the current trend to ~troll the libtards~ but I wish people would actually be good at it. If people ACTUALLY care and think this is a problem then they need to provide a solution otherwise it's just pointless whining.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying his form was right at all, but his complaint about circlejerking is not unfounded, albeit blown widely out of proportion. I hope I'm not derailing the thread with all this.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50824984]Not going to quote it all (duh), but the whole notion that the USA is a super power still holds up if only for Prestige alone, not to mention the huge economical pressure they're able to apply on most parts of the world. America is not number one on statistics regarding quality of life or social progress or such things but that does not discredit them as a massive superpower due to their economy and the prestige accumulated from WW1, WW2 to an even larger degree and their history as a nation ever since the war of independence. Citing education/social progress as the sole criteria for a nation's classification in the world's most important/most powerful countries is a bit short-sighted, and fairly idealistic of you. Cynically speaking, the economical and political pressure you can singlehandedly apply on the world economy is a much more prominent factor than social progress, or how educated your average citizens are. I'm not saying his form was right at all, but his complaint about circlejerking is not unfounded, albeit blown widely out of proportion. I hope I'm not derailing the thread with all this.[/QUOTE] I'd argue social progress and education of citizens matters now a lot more. People seem to be so hopelessly complacent now more than ever which makes no sense given the flow of information is open to everyone. Not to downplay economy and influence on the world stage but the west isn't doing too well on the social front. Trump ruining the US' political relations could be a heavier impact than one might anticipate.
[QUOTE=Mining Bill;50824928]Everyone on this forum who's voting for hillary knows her shady shit, they just realize that trump is mathematically bad. Almost every single thing he's said is insulting, destructive, or a lie, yet whenever there's a thread about him, say, kicking out a mother and her baby the trumpeteers all turn up abscent.[/QUOTE] Kicking a mother and her baby out is a huge over exaggeration. The fact that so many sources rolled with the "trump hates babies" and "trump kicks out baby" head lines should show you how fucking desperate the media is to sink trump.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50824984]America is not number one on statistics regarding quality of life or social progress or such things but that does not discredit them as a massive superpower due to their economy and the prestige accumulated from WW1, WW2 to an even larger degree and their history as a nation ever since the war of independence. Citing education/social progress as the sole criteria for a nation's classification in the world's most important/most powerful countries is a bit short-sighted, and fairly idealistic of you. Cynically speaking, the economical and political pressure you can singlehandedly apply on the world economy is a much more prominent factor than social progress, or how educated your average citizens are.[/QUOTE] I'm not discounting that entirely - the United States remains a powerful country, to the point that people around the world know our politicians by first name and all of our allies' newspapers cover our elections when ours hardly think about their politics. However, civil liberties, cost of healthcare and general quality of life are just as important as being a world superpower. Can we invade practically any country in Europe and win? Yes, but I don't think that's the sole metric of a country's worth. [QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50825015]Kicking a mother and her baby out is a huge over exaggeration. The fact that so many sources rolled with the "trump hates babies" and "trump kicks out baby" head lines should show you how fucking desperate the media is to sink trump.[/QUOTE] it's not just 'kicking a baby out of his rally', it's faking the mother out saying "it's okay you're fine don't worry I love babies" then laughing and saying "haha you believed me? no fuck you get out" the point is that in addition to being incompetent in politics and leadership, the guy's also a fucking cunt
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50825015]Kicking a mother and her baby out is a huge over exaggeration. The fact that so many sources rolled with the "trump hates babies" and "trump kicks out baby" head lines should show you how fucking desperate the media is to sink trump.[/QUOTE] I mean, I don't think Trump asking the lady to take the baby out is much of an exaggeration. It's not desperation from the media, it's people reacting to the thing Trump says compleltely unedited and unfiltered. I've noticed what Mining Bill is talking about too. In this past week where it seems like Trump is making a lot of self-inflicted campaign mistakes it seems all the people who want to spin it as the media taking stuff out of context etc are nowhere to be seen, probably because it's unreasonable to say that the words of Trump himself or his campaign spokeswoman are being misinterpreted.
Social progress and education matters little on the worldwide stage, where it is mostly all about economics and political weight by means of economical pressure. Having a good economy means you can bypass a shitty education system entirely by importing brains with diplomas from nations with better education. Stuff like a good education system and social progress matter locally, but as long as you're generally considered to be part of the first world (even if you rank badly), having a good economy still matters more.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50825035]Social progress and education matters little on the worldwide stage, where it is mostly all about economics and political weight by means of economical pressure. Having a good economy means you can bypass a shitty education system entirely by importing brains with diplomas from nations with better education. Stuff like a good education system and social progress matter locally, but as long as you're generally considered to be part of the first world (even if you rank badly), having a good economy still matters more.[/QUOTE] Finland is part of the "first world" and it still manages a 99% percent literacy rate, 2nd in Europe for quality of life, 2nd in the world for civil liberties, top 20 for healthcare instead of [i]the worst in the world[/i]. Why can't we? The quality of your citizens' lives is just as important as superpower muscle -- and so what if you can import educated professionals? You're still neglecting your own people. When we crow that we dominate the world and a fifth our high school graduates can't read, that's when the "USA" chants turn into a joke.
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