• Fascist government prevents republican from getting the medical care he deserves
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I really think that we should take any tea party House rep and senator with over $1 million in the bank, and they should be forced to live as homeless people for 24 full hours, where they have to stay outside all day and night and they get a maximum of 1,000 calories for the day in the form of ramen and anything they can buy from a convenience store for under $2.99. And then in the final hour I hit them in the hand with a rubber mallet and tell them to hope it's not broken and to go take some Aspirin for a few days and that's their medical "care". Okay, maybe I just want to torment tea partiers and hit them with hammers, but I would hope a lesson would get through.
[QUOTE=Buck.;47716276]Americans love to hate public health insurance and call Obama a communist, socialist, fascist or *insert any system that isnt capitalism here* until they get sick.[/QUOTE] you could apply that to a fair share of people around the planet really, so many people think welfare/social policies are shit and only for the "parasites"... until they actually need it. :v:
Wonderful irony.
[QUOTE=Jacam12SUX;47718307]jesus, you fucking people are something else. yeah, the guy has dumb views that he chose to follow which got him here but he might lose his fucking sight. give your heads a shake.[/QUOTE] His mistakes, his consequences. He wants to force that on everybody, now he gets to deal with it himself. Sucks that he's going blind if untreated, but I won't be donating ANYTHING to him.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47718666]Not to mention he has a house and a wife who isn't working. He could refinance his home, move someplace cheaper, or have his wife get a job to earn the money to ~bootstrap~ his way back to health. But instead he's asking for handouts. There is an ideological hypocrisy here.[/QUOTE] Yeah seriously I'd be less pissed if he actually learnt a lesson here but he's just acting like a selfish prick. Instead he somehow still manages to blame Obama for his situation? Get a fucking grip mate.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;47718094]Seems that a lot of right-wing Americans really like the benefits of socialism until you tell them it's socialism, then they act irrational.[/QUOTE] It's really not even socialist. ACA is designed to make it easier for people to obtain private insurance and yet people here are ranting about the GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER OF HEALTHCARE.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;47718767]I really think that we should take any tea party House rep and senator with over $1 million in the bank, and they should be forced to live as homeless people for 24 full hours, where they have to stay outside all day and night and they get a maximum of 1,000 calories for the day in the form of ramen and anything they can buy from a convenience store for under $2.99. And then in the final hour I hit them in the hand with a rubber mallet and tell them to hope it's not broken and to go take some Aspirin for a few days and that's their medical "care". Okay, maybe I just want to torment tea partiers and hit them with hammers, but I would hope a lesson would get through.[/QUOTE] Every rich politician should be forced to go through a bet similar to the one in [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Stinks]Life Stinks[/url].
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;47719614]It's really not even socialist. ACA is designed to make it easier for people to obtain private insurance and yet people here are ranting about the GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER OF HEALTHCARE.[/QUOTE] Which is great because it pretty much was a massive government funded expansion of the private healthcare industry and its sickening [editline]13th May 2015[/editline] This is like those religious lawsuits against the aca, he had one thing to do, sign up, just like churches have one piece of paper to sign, and they both argue that they cannot be responsible enough to do that
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;47718924]you could apply that to a fair share of people around the planet really, so many people think welfare/social policies are shit and only for the "parasites"... until they actually need it. :v:[/QUOTE] It's sad because there are a few anecdotal instances of people exploiting the systems that are meant to help those who really need it, and it's because of those few people that others look down their noses at such programs and label them as "hand-outs". Fuck, I even worked for some guy in a taco shop who thought that people on welfare should NOT be allowed to vote, because "well then the politicians are essentially [I]buying[/I] their votes!"
Although our healthcare system is bad, obamacare was the worst way to fix it.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;47717537]I don't get why the US never implemented a universal healthcare service altogether and have it funded it via taxes, I'm sure they can give up a tiny percentage of their military budget/something else that isn't entirely essential if it means that people can get access to healthcare without bankrupting themselves due to greedy insurance companies and so on. This wouldn't be a problem in the first place if it wasn't due to that.[/QUOTE] our military budget is massively overexaggerated to be honest, especially for a state that is in effect one of the few remaining superpowers. can't blame us either, because the international community constantly expects and demands US intervention and assistance in conflict zones. [url=http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget_actual]if you look at a breakdown of the US budget, the military budget is completely dwarfed by social security and medicare by a factor of 2:1[/url]. social security and healthcare budgets are already under mandatory spending - it's under discretionary spending that money goes into the military, because the military has no mandatory spending. [editline]13th May 2015[/editline] i'm in no way saying that I don't want a single payer system btw but young, uneducated people overwhelmingly tend to ignore the glaring fact that the government uses an immense amount of its funds - the majority, in fact - on medicare and social security already. people constantly feel like reducing the defense budget would be some bizarre cureall for our problems when in reality it would put thousands (if not millions) out of work and compound our problems even further.
[QUOTE=DJrorok;47720465]Although our healthcare system is bad, obamacare was the worst way to fix it.[/QUOTE] Hey at least the insurance reforms are working very well, and stoppeduch of the rampant scamming that insurance companies got away with, it hasn't stopped all of it but the whole deny first culture is illegal now
I've dealt with people like this man on a daily basis. Once he gets what he 'needs' he'll go right back to spewing bullshit, being an uncompliant diabetic and smoking like a chimney while damning the left wing for 'ruining muh great country with socialism, and obummer is a Muslim '
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;47720498]our military budget is massively overexaggerated to be honest, especially for a state that is in effect one of the few remaining superpowers. can't blame us either, because the international community constantly expects and demands US intervention and assistance in conflict zones. [url=http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget_actual]if you look at a breakdown of the US budget, the military budget is completely dwarfed by social security and medicare by a factor of 2:1[/url]. social security and healthcare budgets are already under mandatory spending - it's under discretionary spending that money goes into the military, because the military has no mandatory spending. [editline]13th May 2015[/editline] i'm in no way saying that I don't want a single payer system btw but young, uneducated people overwhelmingly tend to ignore the glaring fact that the government uses an immense amount of its funds - the majority, in fact - on medicare and social security already. people constantly feel like reducing the defense budget would be some bizarre cureall for our problems when in reality it would put thousands (if not millions) out of work and compound our problems even further.[/QUOTE] Would probably help future social security budgets a lot if the U.S. government required that all employers make contributions to a trust fund on behalf of each employee. Apparently only around 18% of Americans in the private workforce have such a retirement plan.
[b]Universal healthcare would save money[/b], so no need to cut the military budget. [url=http://archive.gao.gov/d20t9/144039.pdf]Since 1991[/url], we've known that universal healthcare would reduce the administrative costs of Medicare/Medicaid/Veterans' Health by 10%, offsetting the costs of the plan. Not only is that true, but [url=http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-system-cost]a number of states[/url] have also found that they would save money by implementing statewide universal healthcare, and those studies are generally more recent than the 1991 GAO study. On nearly all fronts, universal healthcare makes sense.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;47720945]Would probably help future social security budgets a lot if the U.S. government required that all employers make contributions to a trust fund on behalf of each employee. Apparently only around 18% of Americans in the private workforce have such a retirement plan.[/QUOTE] Social security was nearly insolvent because congress kept raiding it for funding for 40 years, a few years ago they passed a law forbidding themselves from taking the funds, coupled with the inevitable decline in collections after the baby boomer generations shrinks, it'll be stable for a long while, whether there are jobs that allow people to pay into it is another thing entirely, if the current economy doesn't get better for the people entering the workforce when they can save the most money, it'll force more people onto social security decades later because they couldn't put enough away.
[QUOTE=PolarEventide;47720964][b]Universal healthcare would save money[/b], so no need to cut the military budget. [url=http://archive.gao.gov/d20t9/144039.pdf]Since 1991[/url], we've known that universal healthcare would reduce the administrative costs of Medicare/Medicaid/Veterans' Health by 10%, offsetting the costs of the plan. Not only is that true, but [url=http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-system-cost]a number of states[/url] have also found that they would save money by implementing statewide universal healthcare, and those studies are generally more recent than the 1991 GAO study. On nearly all fronts, universal healthcare makes sense.[/QUOTE] But you, I, and everyone else knows it can't happen now. Because today's politics isn't an arena of ideas, it's a war of ideologies at best and a war purely between colors at worst. Us versus [I]them[/I], the other, the enemy. And if the other side supports universal healthcare, then it's obviously THE DEVIL and must be destroyed.
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;47721020]But you, I, and everyone else knows it can't happen now. Because today's politics isn't an arena of ideas, it's a war of ideologies at best and a war purely between colors at worst. Us versus [I]them[/I], the other, the enemy. And if the other side supports universal healthcare, then it's obviously THE DEVIL and must be destroyed.[/QUOTE] Of course. Like I said, universal healthcare makes sense. Congress never does anything that makes sense.
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