• Cellphones Deemed "Possibly Carcinogenic" by World’s Leading Cancer Experts
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So currently, statistics show that 1% of people get this cancer, and in their sample, 1.4% of people got it? 0.4% doesn't seem big enough to prove anything. Sure if it was increased by 5% there might be a link, but this just seems silly.
[QUOTE=nikomo;30163266]World's leading cancer experts deemed stupid by everyone who has ever touched a book concerning physics.[/QUOTE] Ionizing radiation isn't the only cause of cancer. Maybe the radiowaves interfere with one of the many proteins that deal with DNA. Not saying that it does, it's just stupid to assume it doesn't.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;30162623]Relative risk increase. feel the fear[/QUOTE] "relative" is such an important word in this sense, I remember reading/hearing something about this that explained it really well. If someone was at 0.1% risk of getting cancer by using a phone they are at 0.40% risk, but who knows what everyone's risk of getting cancer is.
Probably over estimated
Wow fuck off We've had enough of this false science, they can shut the fuck up already and stop trying to whore science money
I've already beaten a certain type of cancer, I can take another one! [B]COME AT ME, CELL PHONES![/B]
Doesn't, like, everything cause cancer
I don't own a cellphone. :v:
If I do get cancer I'm gonna have an excuse to smoke weed all day!
I'll worry about it when I'm going on chemotherapy.
[QUOTE=Kondor58;30162650]We got 1000 people to not drive cars and 1000 people to drive cars, more drivers got cancer Cars cause cancer[/QUOTE] Everything causes Cancer these days. [editline]31st May 2011[/editline] well fuck
Based on all these studies that show things that cause cancer, I've just went ahead and assumed that everything I use on a daily basis could possibly give me cancer. Somewhere I heard though that humans actually get Cancer several times a week, it's just that our immune system usually manages to fight it off before it becomes a real problem.
Luckily for me I only text every hour or so, and hardly ever use my phone for anything more then screaming, "WHY THE FUCK DOES PALM SUCK SO MUCH?!"
Haha oh whoa what isn't carcinogenic then
The fact that the iPhone and herpes have something in common is the least surprising thing I've heard all day.
Facepunch: "Scientists did a study now I'm going to make terrible analogies and ignore it because I personally don't believe the results"
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30166806]Facepunch: "Scientists did a study now I'm going to make terrible analogies and ignore it because I personally don't believe the results"[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13608444[/URL] [B][quote]"The vast majority of existing studies have not found a link between phones and cancer, and if such a link exists, it is unlikely to be a large one. [/quote][/B][quote] [B]"The risk of brain cancer is similar in people who use mobile phones compared to those who don't, and rates of this cancer have not gone up in recent years despite a dramatic rise in phone use during the 1980s. [/B][/quote][URL]http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/about-cancer/cancer-questions/do-mobile-phones-cause-cancer[/URL] [quote]A large UK study reported in January 2006 that they could find no link between mobile phone use and a type of brain tumour called [URL="http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/type/brain-tumour/about/types-of-primary-brain-tumours#glioma"]glioma[/URL]. The study included information on over 2,500 people. They found no link between the amount of mobile phone use, length of time since first use, lifetime years of use or number of calls made. The study did not include any information on children using mobile phones. Over 2,500 people took part in this study. Only about 6 or 7 out of every 100 of them had used a mobile for more than 10 years.[/quote] There are more studies, they all suggest pretty much the same thing. If there is an increased risk of brain cancer from mobile phones, it's tiny, difficult to measure, and therefore not really worth worrying about. There are a million and one carcinogens which are worth worrying about more. Here's a nice xkcd that is relevant [IMG]http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/significant.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Turnips5;30167658] [IMG]http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/significant.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Thank you for posting this, this is what I was looking for when I made my post.
If the significance level is 5%, the probability of making a Type I error is 5%.
Shit. Everybody's got Cancer now.
So basically there's a 5% chance that when you do the study you'll come up with a "false positive" (reject the null hypothesis). Do the study enough times and you'll eventually get a false positive.
This just in: WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. PANIC.
Good thing I have no one to talk to anyways. :)
Well it is radiation, so I would guess that it is carcinogenic.
[QUOTE=crackberry;30168246]Well it is radiation, so I would guess that it is carcinogenic.[/QUOTE] Well it's not ionising radiation, so good guess but nope The only radiation that has been proven to cause cancer is ionising radiation (UV frequency and above, things like X-rays and gamma rays) Photons of ionising radiation have the energy to break chemical bonds and fuck up your DNA, which can cause cancer
[QUOTE=Turnips5;30167658] If there is an increased risk of brain cancer from mobile phones, it's tiny, difficult to measure, and therefore not really worth worrying about. There are a million and one carcinogens which are worth worrying about more.[/QUOTE] My issue was with people implying that the study was somehow wrong or bogus You know that come on man [editline]31st May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Turnips5;30168382] The only radiation that has been proven to cause cancer is ionising radiation (UV frequency and above, things like X-rays and gamma rays) Photons of ionising radiation have the energy to break chemical bonds and fuck up your DNA, which can cause cancer[/QUOTE] I thought most UV frequencies were non-ionizing but can still cause cancer
[QUOTE=LaughingStock;30167964]Good thing I have no one to talk to anyways. :)[/QUOTE] I'll be your friend and we can die together.
I don't believe there is an epidemic of cellphone users dropping like flies due to cancer. I can't say that it isn't carcinogenic but I don't think it's really something to terrify ourselves with. It's more something for the media to dry hump till a bigger story comes in.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30168442]My issue was with people implying that the study was somehow wrong or bogus You know that come on man[/QUOTE] Fair enough, I can't see anything inherently wrong with the study, but they do like to hype it up. Heck, the second sentence is this : [quote]The study, conducted by the WHO's International Agency for Research on Cancer, stops far short of saying phones cause cancer.[/quote] When so many studies have been done on the subject and the vast majority (including the largest one) have shown no link at all, I find it really kind of pointless to be doing more and more, especially when it can lead to finding false positives (it's impossible to say whether or not this one is a false positive, but it could be) The only way this could be different would be if it were longer term than all the rest, and it isn't really. The Denmark one lasted 10 years, and it didn't find anything. If you want to go longer term than that, I guess you can, but I really don't think it's worth worrying about (still, there's nothing lost by doing the study, I suppose). [editline]1st June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;30168442]I thought most UV frequencies were non-ionizing but can still cause cancer[/QUOTE] This is right. UV light is special in that respect, it's kind of on the border between ionising and non-ionising, meaning it doesn't actually knock electrons out of orbitals, but it can still cause chemical reactions (the classic example is photochlorination) and produce free radicals, which can fuck up your DNA and cause cancer. [editline]1st June 2011[/editline] Hopefully when I start learning actual degree level physics I'll be able to give a better answer
I just noticed that this hasn't been posted, it usually gets posted in every other "x causes cancer" thread. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTu7GLfrmUI[/media]
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