• Chicago Further Restricts Handguns After Supreme Court Ruling
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[QUOTE=the_KMM;23099221]Except people with Concealed Carry Permits actually stop crimes. [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/#"]View YouTUBE video[/URL] [URL]http://youtube.com/watch?v=wZiqc_F3Ehc[/URL] [editline]05:26AM[/editline] [/QUOTE] 1 concealed handgun license out of 350 million Americans prevented a crime, absolutely astonishing! Don't cite anecdotes for these sorts of things.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;23099350]1 concealed handgun license out of 350 million Americans prevented a crime, absolutely astonishing! Don't cite anecdotes for these sorts of things.[/QUOTE] Only a few million of us have them. Also, this happens ore than you would think. [url]http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/local/030510-armed-customer-kills-knife-wielding-man[/url] The media just hates reporting it. [editline]05:45AM[/editline] And it's not an anecdote if it has a proper source.
Almost all gun crimes are guns that were illegally obtained. Man the government is so fucking retarded. Way to give power to the gangs.
[QUOTE=Penis Colada;23077031]uh no, handgun crime increased by 40% in the two years after you guys banned handguns[/QUOTE] Because there was alot of guns in the hands of criminals and when lawful citizens gave theirs away criminals didnt have to be afraid any more about getting shot.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;23090806]I live in Canada, where there isn't all that much restriction on hunting rifles but things like handguns are hard to get. What I don't understand is "why". How is a handgun any more lethal than a hunting rifle? Hell, I can walk down to the sporting goods store and buy a bow and some arrows with nothing more than my ID and some cash. That would allow me to kill people silently without any kind of traceable ballistics evidence. Gun bans, in their current form the world-over, are retarded.[/QUOTE] handguns are easier to conceal
[QUOTE=CommieTurtle;23079413]What a great idea Chicago, make it impossible for any law-abiding citizen to defend themselves from the massive gang population even more![/QUOTE] You are more likely to be a victim of gun and knife crime if you have a gun or knife on your person. [editline]08:25PM[/editline] [QUOTE=yuki;23081436]I don't assume you hunt, because you can hunt with handguns, and most hunters carry a handgun just in-case. You're right, guns are weapons, they are designed to kill, but they can be used for peaceful purposes. Competition target shooting, or just shooting at targets. You pretty much got that part of my argument, but my point stands that a ban on handguns does not necessarily effect criminals. They're still criminals, ban or not.[/QUOTE] Guns are legal here you just need a valid reason to have one like as a hunting tool or target practice.
[QUOTE=Kingy_who;23108461]You are more likely to be a victim of gun and knife crime if you have a gun or knife on your person.[/QUOTE] Your insane troll logic. It is insane and troll.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;23082902]these arguments don't impress me at all "oh people only die [I]sometimes[/I]" either figure out a way to get rid of the problem all together or stop being a dick to the law abiding citizen who now can't get a gun. what's everyone on about criminals stealing guns from law abiding citizens that's the stupidest reason i've ever heard to ban guns. on the rare chance it does happen that's the irresponsibility of the owner. gun control does not make guns go away. they are still there. criminals don't walk into a gunshop and register a firearm. with gun control, now your citizen can't while your criminal continues to visit his buddy down that back alley.[/QUOTE] By having to register your guns you make sure only responsible people get them. [editline]08:30PM[/editline] [QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;23083306]So if they can't get guns, they'll just get knives. And since nobody would have guns, have fun defending yourself against a guy with a knife.[/QUOTE] Have fun defending yourself against someone with a gun. [editline]08:31PM[/editline] [QUOTE=WickedIcon;23108579]Your insane troll logic. It is insane and troll.[/QUOTE] No there's statics to back it up, I just can't be bothered to find them.
[QUOTE=Kingy_who;23108586]By having to register your guns you make sure only responsible people get them.[/QUOTE] Registration is the first step of confiscation. The only place I'm willing to give even an inch of ground on that issue is Class III weaponry (machine guns) and items classified as destructive devices (Military-grade explosives, weapons firing stuff larger than 20mm (excluding historic items and antiques)).
See, here's the thing. Society is only ever as civilized as the people living in it. If you have a group of violent individuals, they [b]will[/b] find a way to be violent, and they do not need guns to do so. Banning guns will do nothing to stop them, and will most likely hurt the innocent. Take this example; some guy busts into your house with a machete, and you have a gun. He will most likely see this and back off, and even if he doesn't back off you have a viable means of defense. Now, say you do not have a gun. You're at the mercy of a guy with a machete. As said above me, registration is the first step in confiscation. If they know you have it, they can come in any time and take it. I'm inclined to believe Chicago is just playing the part of the little rebel ruling against guns after the Supreme Court ruled in favor of guns.
[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;23109861]See, here's the thing. Society is only ever as civilized as the people living in it. If you have a group of violent individuals, they [B]will[/B] find a way to be violent, and they do not need guns to do so. Banning guns will do nothing to stop them, and will most likely hurt the innocent. Take this example; some guy busts into your house with a machete, and you have a gun. He will most likely see this and back off, and even if he doesn't back off you have a viable means of defense. Now, say you do not have a gun. You're at the mercy of a guy with a machete. As said above me, registration is the first step in confiscation. If they know you have it, they can come in any time and take it. I'm inclined to believe Chicago is just playing the part of the little rebel ruling against guns after the Supreme Court ruled in favor of guns.[/QUOTE] x1 agree. Chicago politicians are notorious for being jackasses in general.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;23094490]The SPAS-12 is actually a sub-average shotgun. Most 'mundane' looking shotguns perform better than it will.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's a shame everyone latched onto it. The SPAS-15 came out not too long after the 12 and basically fixed all the of the massive fail that was the 12. But it was too late. [editline]08:02PM[/editline] [QUOTE=WickedIcon;23097705]Okay, I'm anti-gun control but you are going way over the top. Not liking guns doesn't make you an idiot.[/QUOTE] It does if you in turn try and pass laws regarding firearms. [editline]08:03PM[/editline] [QUOTE=the_KMM;23109314]Registration is the first step of confiscation. The only place I'm willing to give even an inch of ground on that issue is Class III weaponry (machine guns) and items classified as destructive devices (Military-grade explosives, weapons firing stuff larger than 20mm (excluding historic items and antiques)).[/QUOTE] Where do you stand on rifle/shotgun barrel length restrictions and firearm suppressors? Out of curiosity.
[QUOTE=GunFox;23113886]It does if you in turn try and pass laws regarding firearms.[/QUOTE] so we should just get rid of all gun laws?
[QUOTE=GunFox;23113886]Where do you stand on rifle/shotgun barrel length restrictions and firearm suppressors? Out of curiosity.[/QUOTE] < 18" barrel lengths should be as legal as any other small arm. It's stupid, for a rifle (ridiculous recoil begins to become a factor, and you're also killing your accuracy with such barrel lengths), and it's just as stupid to do the same with a shotgun (once again, recoil from any shotgun shell except .410 makes it a stupid endeavor) [editline]08:16PM[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;23114001]so we should just get rid of all gun laws?[/QUOTE] Better than having out the ass restrictions
[QUOTE=JDK721;23114001]so we should just get rid of all gun laws?[/QUOTE] No, we should have the people who make the laws actually know what the fuck they are talking about. The assault weapons ban is basically a shining example of politicians passing laws about shit they know nothing, LITERALLY NOTHING, about. I'd much rather ATF's time and energy be devoted to monitoring shit that MATTERS.
[QUOTE=GunFox;23114233] The assault weapons ban is basically a shining example of politicians passing laws about shit they know nothing, LITERALLY NOTHING, about. [/QUOTE] I strongly agree.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;23114155]Better than having out the ass restrictions[/QUOTE] so you wouldn't mind dangerous felons and mental incompetents like seung hui cho legally buying guns?
[QUOTE=yuki;23080010]Or that guy who built a tank out of a bullzdozer?[/QUOTE] That was like less than 2 hours from here....was pretty wicked to watch live on the news... [editline]09:25PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Murkrow;23089814]It's harder for law abiding citizens to get money, but gang members and criminals can still get their hands on them easily. Stupid fucking law. It's harder for law abiding citizens to get cars, but gang members and criminals can still get their hands on them easily. Stupid fucking law. It's harder for law abiding citizens to get <anything>, but gang members and criminals can still get their hands on them easily. Stupid fucking law. Yeah, but they're criminals. They can end up locked up. Law abiding citizens, much less likely.[/QUOTE] Bad examples. There is no law or government agency regulating the sales of currency or automobiles to people. Doesnt matter if the dude has 14 felonies, just got out of a 20 year stint in prison, there is nothing to stop him from making money and using it to buy a car. [editline]09:34PM[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;23099192]People have deluded dreams that walking around with a handgun could save their life[/QUOTE] Like these people? [url]http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/jul/03/robbers-pick-wrong-target/?print=1[/url] [url]http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-18149-SelfDefense-Examiner~y2009m8d25-Detroit-armed-robber-shot-in-self-defense-by-concealed-carry-permit-holder[/url]
[QUOTE=JDK721;23115749]so you wouldn't mind dangerous felons and mental incompetents like seung hui cho legally buying guns?[/QUOTE] Criminals obey no laws. They could get them illegally. And don't cite Cho. His doctor was at fault for not inputing his mental issues into the system.
The sad part is I live in Chicago.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;23118574]Criminals obey no laws. They could get them illegally. And don't cite Cho. His doctor was at fault for not inputing his mental issues into the system.[/QUOTE] Wait so you actually believe felons should be able to legally buy guns? Wow. The legal option will always be easier than the illegal one and comes with no risk of being arrested.
[QUOTE=RBM11;23119944]Wait so you actually believe felons should be able to legally buy guns? Wow. The legal option will always be easier than the illegal one and comes with no risk of being arrested.[/QUOTE] I believe that Felons should eventually be able to purchase firearms. I'd say five years of good behavior. Which could be lessened by community service through the police department. I also don't believe in registering sex offenders. How can we expect people to reintegrate with society, if we continue to treat them as criminals for the rest of their existence? They pay their dues to society with prison time.
[QUOTE=RBM11;23119944]Wait so you actually believe felons should be able to legally buy guns? Wow. The legal option will always be easier than the illegal one and comes with no risk of being arrested.[/QUOTE] Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I said I'd rather have them available to everyone and anyone rather than no one.
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[QUOTE=GunFox;23120279]I believe that Felons should eventually be able to purchase firearms. I'd say five years of good behavior. Which could be lessened by community service through the police department. I also don't believe in registering sex offenders. How can we expect people to reintegrate with society, if we continue to treat them as criminals for the rest of their existence? They pay their dues to society with prison time.[/QUOTE] You can do that now. In certain states IIRC you can regain that right.
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