• News about durgs 2011 - interesting shit you want to know about
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[QUOTE=Strider*;31874978]Ignore the ridicule Sobotnik, you are 150 % correct on this. I myself won't even touch alcohol, but it's hard to defend yourself or to point out the flaws of drinking when the majority of the world drowns themselves in it.[/QUOTE] It's hard to defend yourself when even people who have never touched the stuff are against you.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31875072]It's hard to defend yourself when even people who have never touched the stuff are against you.[/QUOTE] Not really, how does that make their point any more valid if not less? I do not believe in heavy mind altering substances on purely philosophical bounds. If others choose not to follow the same path as I then I don't give a damn.
I did ecstasy once, it didn't do shit except make me feel a little hyper.
[QUOTE=Strider*;31875100]Not really, how does that make their point any more valid if not less? I do not believe in heavy mind altering substances on purely philosophical bounds. If others choose not to follow the same path as I then I don't give a damn.[/QUOTE] No reason to keep it illegal.
[QUOTE=Upgrade123;31875105]I did ecstasy once, it didn't do shit except make me feel a little hyper.[/QUOTE] You know its quite popular for some dealers to replace actual ecstasy pills with sugar pills right?
[QUOTE=Upgrade123;31875105]I did ecstasy once, it didn't do shit except make me feel a little hyper.[/QUOTE] You got a shit pill then.
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;31874683]Can we leave Sobotnik alone for now? He's against drugs for personal reasons but has no true qualms with it being legalized from what I've seen. You guys are just being assholes, let him have his opinion. And sobotnik, let them have their opinions. I personally support the legalization of marijuana, though I have no intentions of using it myself.[/QUOTE] you would honestly let those psychopaths destroy themselves and others with that toxic illegal drug?! do you even know that every time they have a 'toke', they invoke satan!?! i'm going to pray for you, because you need it vote contag 2012 republican nomination [editline]22nd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Stormcharger;31875452]You got a shit pill then.[/QUOTE] First time drug users usually don't feel what they're expected to feel. It's interesting, because some research is coming out about how drug use, or rather, the feelings of the 'high' are subjective and cultural. Some examples exist, like giving the exact same drug in a hospital compared to on a street. [editline]22nd August 2011[/editline] Or children on amphetamines compared to rednecks on amphetamines.
Yea but im saying that if you have proper mdma for the first time you will feel it.
[quote]*In short, mices without this receptor aged much faster (genetically removed) - so deactivating that receptors gets you older faster. **Cannabis activates this receptor - but also activates others, so it may or may be not suited for this task.[/quote] This is faulty logic. The cannabinoid receptor exists for a reason (while binding with it's endogenous ligand, not THC) so it was likely that deactivating it (deactivating the gene, not just the ligand binding) would have negative implications. Heck, it is by stimulating receptors too much that their numbers decrease which gives rise to physical addiction. I don't think THC is physically addicting but the point still stands that you're reading into this research incorrectly. [quote]The substance that is also in Cannabis prevents neural degradation or in another term, aging. But Cannabis works a bit different. It kills neurons, but bad, degraded ones. And at same time it spawns new neurons. That's why person smoking too much cannabis seems brain damaged - it isn't. It's new neurons just have to re-learn stuff and person will be able to function normally but different. That may sound bad, but it isnt... why? Look, if your functions and personality never change, you get old. It's simply as that. Cannabis has been used as medication for centuries, all sort of diseases, including mental ones. In my experience, smoking too much cannabis might make you a bit childish - younger and a bit stupidier. But young neurons learn faster, because they don't have function determined... yet. Or, look in simpler term. Kill bad babies, and spawn new ones. Repeat. The only babies that will stay, are good ones. [/quote] Neurons regenerate painfully slowly. This is why strokes fuck you over so much. And drugs do not target "bad" cells. If a cell has that type of receptor (cannabinoid) it will be influenced by that drug. The effects that you feel are not because you're losing brain cells but simply because of the drug's effect at stimulating receptors. You do not want to lose brain cells in large amounts (unless they're cancerous) because they will not grow back quickly enough. I don't know if THC actually does kill brain cells though. I highly doubt it.
Also: [img]http://consumermedianetwork.s3.amazonaws.com/medical/marijuana-page.jpg[/img]
but as sobotnik would say it has no medical value it's just a drug that kids smoke to get high!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [editline]22nd August 2011[/editline] and his mom was addicted and tore the family apart!!!!!!!!!!
Some chemicals in cannabis have been shown to increase the risk of breast cancer. "Perfect alternative to Ritalin" What the hell, there are no perfect drugs. All the citations are rubbish. The 'information provided by' is a little silly - 'medical insurnace' Need better infographic. [editline]23rd August 2011[/editline] Wait did sobotnik say his mother was [I]addicted[/I] to cannabis? [editline]23rd August 2011[/editline] Or just drugs?
Yea he did say cannabis. Which is possible.
I support the legalization of marihuana, but I won't smoke it, legal or not.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;31878920]Yea he did say cannabis. Which is possible.[/QUOTE]Maybe psychological, but not physical
[QUOTE=TehWhale;31879294]Maybe psychological, but not physical[/QUOTE] Theres not even a maybe about psychological addiction being possible, it IS possible and it happens (source: a few of my friends) but yea definetly not physical. [editline]22nd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=VistaPOWA;31879087]I support the legalization of marihuana, but I won't smoke it, legal or not.[/QUOTE] I like people like you
If you don't think weed is addictive you could always try staying off it for a month and see if you can resist the urge to smoke it. [QUOTE=VistaPOWA;31879087]I support the legalization of marihuana, but I won't smoke it, legal or not.[/QUOTE] Same, the only reason its illegal is because there is no reason for it to be illegal, and claims on both sides of its supposed medical miracles or ability to kill you and rape fathers are very doubtful.
Only a fool says "Weed is not addictive", because it is, just not physically. The only people that deny the existence of psychological addiction are those that are already addicted. But then again, everything has the potential to be psychologically addictive, it's just that weed feels [I]really fucking great[/I] and generally those who become psychologically addicted lack hobbies/come from bad backgrounds and have nothing to keep themselves busy or use weed as a coping mechanism for whatever their troubles. I like to think i'm the most responsible 15 year old stoner I know, all thanks to durgs discussion. :v:
[QUOTE=Akimotoz;31879962]I like to think i'm the most responsible 15 year old stoner I know, all thanks to durgs discussion. :v:[/QUOTE] You seem to be the most responsible (And intelligent, at the risk of angry replies) poster in this thread whom smokes it.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31880164]You seem to be the most responsible (And intelligent, at the risk of angry replies) poster in this thread whom smokes it.[/QUOTE]That may just be your bias because of how I haven't made any counter-arguments to what you've said. I would but it's too much effort and everyone else already has.
[QUOTE=Akimotoz;31879962]Only a fool says "Weed is not addictive", because it is, just not physically[/QUOTE] But anything has the potential to be psychologically addictive to some extent, so that seems like a moot point.
[QUOTE=Akimotoz;31879962] But then again, everything has the potential to be psychologically addictive, it's just that weed feels [I]really fucking great[/I][/QUOTE] Let's face it, it's not [I]that[/I] great, otherwise cannabis users would be on the same level as heroin injectors. [editline]23rd August 2011[/editline] Which is another +1 for legalization and regulation. At the very least, medicalizing the issue and not just throwing everyone in jail.
[QUOTE=ThisGuy0;31880764]But anything has the potential to be psychologically addictive to some extent, so that seems like a moot point.[/QUOTE]I did say that :v: but I think logically it would make sense that weed has a higher potential to be psychologically addictive because of how good it feels and how it enhances errything you do. [editline]22nd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Contag;31880773]Let's face it, it's not [I]that[/I] great, otherwise cannabis users would be on the same level as heroin injectors.[/QUOTE]Well I don't know about others but personally I think it's pretty great and I wouldn't need anything more. Sure, an hallucinogenic might be fun later in life but I think for most smokers weed is all you need.
[QUOTE=TehWhale;31873112]shrooms, lsd, and dmt are the ones i wish to try some time to see what my mind is capable of[/QUOTE] i smoked dmt on an acid trip at a festival once. beyond words and comprehension, just magical.
[QUOTE=Contag;31880773]Let's face it, it's not [I]that[/I] great, otherwise cannabis users would be on the same level as heroin injectors. [/QUOTE] You're kidding, right? Heroin is physically addictive. Marijuana is not. It has nothing to do with how "great" either is.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;31867245]Darn all these kids needing proof their drugs aren't dangerous, back in the day medical experts everywhere told you that they melt your brain and cause your trousers to be itchy, and you still took them! Kids of today have no constitution[/QUOTE] True thing. I still don't know why i want more proof than i ever asked for from synthetic drugs. I guess i hate those silly hippies that advocate the slightest new radical idea without giving it much thought, and i don't want to be like them?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31879596]If you don't think weed is addictive you could always try staying off it for a month and see if you can resist the urge to smoke it. Same, the only reason its illegal is because there is no reason for it to be illegal, and claims on both sides of its supposed medical miracles or ability to kill you and rape fathers are very doubtful.[/QUOTE] Dependence and Addiction are two different things, I thought i got rid of you.
[QUOTE=MetalT0ast;31881446]i smoked dmt on an acid trip at a festival once. beyond words and comprehension, just magical.[/QUOTE]Amazing first post
[QUOTE=Sanius;31882262]You're kidding, right? Heroin is physically addictive. Marijuana is not. It has nothing to do with how "great" either is.[/QUOTE] Opiate addiction isn't instant, however. In terms of euphoria, which is generally a reliable measure of how enjoyable something is, cannabis has nothing on the opiates.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31879596[B]]If you don't think weed is addictive you could always try staying off it for a month and see if you can resist the urge to smoke it.[/B] Same, the only reason its illegal is because there is no reason for it to be illegal, and claims on both sides of its supposed medical miracles or ability to kill you and rape fathers are very doubtful.[/QUOTE] What. Cannabis has 0 addictive properties to it. I smoked it every single day in June, and since then I havent had a single puff. Its easy to start and stop aka no ADDICTIVE PROPERTIES. Please dont spew out nonsense when you have no idea what you are talking about. Edit: you can debate that it is mentally addictive, but thats goes for everything. "OMG IM ADDICTED TO WATCHING BASKETBALL BECAUSE I LIKE IT"
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