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[QUOTE=sami-elite;31882340]True thing. I still don't know why i want more proof than i ever asked for from synthetic drugs. I guess i hate those silly hippies that advocate the slightest new radical idea without giving it much thought, and i don't want to be like them?[/QUOTE] I always looked at pot-smoking as "I'm inhaling ash into my lungs, I doubt this is going to be healthy for me but neither are cheeseburgers and spiced rum" so I did it anyway. When all this medical marvel stuff started getting more attention, I was just a bit "oh" about the whole situation because I wouldn't have needed it to sway me anyway. Alcohol is a lot worse when it comes to dependency than pot. I've seen weed dependency and I've seen alcoholism, alcoholism is bad because it's often pretty covert, whereas you can often notice the smell of dank in a person's carpet and clothes.
Everything can be psychologically addictive, but not physically addictive. The difference is, a psychological addiction is an addiction to a feeling/response, while psychical addiction is an addiction to the substance itself. This means yes, you can develop an addiction to marihuana (precisely to the euphoria that smoking marihuana causes), but you won't be dependent of it, thus you can more easily get off marihuana than from other (harder) drugs that cause a physical addiction, a dependence.
What about MDMA, it didn't felt addictive to me in any way. I also felt no hungover. Opposing to amphetamines, I notice craving.
It really doesn't matter that these findings disprove some things. What we have to conquer is the social stigma attached to drugs before there is any reform in the laws.
all y'all needa chill sobotnik especially weed should be legal because theres no reason for it not to be it also has some medical benefits, yet it is also not harmless end of discussion
no it's not end of discussion. All drugs should be legal.
lmao like that'll happen my 4 year old will buy heroin from the supermarket!!!!!!!!!!!
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31872547]Because you cannot counter it. Then explain the breeding of wheat varieties, among other cereals that occured before, during and after along with that cannabis was still very weak in the mid 20th century (Comparing to today) If they wanted greater potency, then why did strong varieties only recently appear and that the practice of actual smoking itself only exist for around 5 centuries. (To the point when the habit first began involving tobacco, the user was said to be drinking rather than smoking) Only because the opposing side is ignorant and biased.[/QUOTE] Are you unaware of indian strains of marijuana that have been cultivated for smoking for a few thousand years? Yes, you are.
[QUOTE=HeatPipe;31884981]no it's not end of discussion. All drugs should be legal.[/QUOTE] i never said that cause i agree with you
[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;31884439]Everything can be psychologically addictive, but not physically addictive. The difference is, a psychological addiction is an addiction to a feeling/response, while psychical addiction is an addiction to the substance itself. This means yes, you can develop an addiction to marihuana (precisely to the euphoria that smoking marihuana causes), but you won't be dependent of it, thus you can more easily get off marihuana than from other (harder) drugs that cause a physical addiction, a dependence.[/QUOTE] I think I worded myself incorrectly, by dependence, I just meant how some people just sort of get used to the weed being around and use it out of habit, not that they can't live without it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;31885089]Are you unaware of indian strains of marijuana that have been cultivated for smoking for a few thousand years? Yes, you are.[/QUOTE] It didn't seem to be smoked outside of a religious context. [QUOTE=Pappa Smurf;31883231]What. Cannabis has 0 addictive properties to it. I smoked it every single day in June, and since then I havent had a single puff. Its easy to start and stop aka no ADDICTIVE PROPERTIES. Please dont spew out nonsense when you have no idea what you are talking about. Edit: you can debate that it is mentally addictive, but thats goes for everything. "OMG IM ADDICTED TO WATCHING BASKETBALL BECAUSE I LIKE IT"[/QUOTE] Have you felt a compulsion to smoke it again, also I would think it unwise to smoke it more than 5 times a week.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31887809]It didn't seem to be smoked outside of a religious context. [/quote] Cult of liberalism sure sound religious? [quote] Have you felt a compulsion to smoke it again, also I would think it unwise to smoke it more than 5 times a week.[/QUOTE] I would agree with that, as moderation tends to apply to everything.
[QUOTE=Contag;31887964]Cult of liberalism sure sound religious?[/QUOTE] No, before the late 19th century it seems to have only been smoked in a religious context.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31887809]It didn't seem to be smoked outside of a religious context. Have you felt a compulsion to smoke it again, also I would think it unwise to smoke it more than 5 times a week.[/QUOTE] It all depends on the type of person you are, my parents went away for 2 weeks and I was constantly high for the whole 2 weeks and then I just stopped and it was easy, just a bit harder to go to sleep for like 1 week. [editline]22nd August 2011[/editline] And I felt no compulsions at all. [editline]22nd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ThisGuy0;31880764]But anything has the potential to be psychologically addictive to some extent, so that seems like a moot point.[/QUOTE] Not really because weed does have some minor withdrawal symptoms (just fyi I support marijuana) such as mild insomnia and depression. [editline]23rd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Pappa Smurf;31883231]What. Cannabis has 0 addictive properties to it. I smoked it every single day in June, and since then I havent had a single puff. Its easy to start and stop aka no ADDICTIVE PROPERTIES. Please dont spew out nonsense when you have no idea what you are talking about. Edit: you can debate that it is mentally addictive, but thats goes for everything. "OMG IM ADDICTED TO WATCHING BASKETBALL BECAUSE I LIKE IT"[/QUOTE] No its more addictive than stuff like that as it asctually produces a good feeling. I get fed up with people who keep saying stuff like this. Just because you found it easy to stop doesnt mean every single other person will feel the same way.
[QUOTE=TehWhale;31885010]lmao like that'll happen my 4 year old will buy heroin from the supermarket!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE] like he is able to buy alcohol right?
[QUOTE=HeatPipe;31889204]like he is able to buy alcohol right?[/QUOTE]he'll pay a hobo to buy him it!!!!!!!!!!
[QUOTE=TehWhale;31889221]he'll pay a hobo to buy him it!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE] fuck i backed over the hobob in my car... got exicited and phoned everyone sorry
Im addicted to eating apples, i have an apple every single day because i love how they taste and the joy they give me. [editline]22nd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;31887809]It didn't seem to be smoked outside of a religious context. [B]Have you felt a compulsion to smoke it again[/B], also I would think it unwise to smoke it more than 5 times a week.[/QUOTE] No not really. Ive never smoked it to "Fix a craving of mine"
[QUOTE=HeatPipe;31884981]no it's not end of discussion. All drugs should be legal.[/QUOTE] I disagree with this and here are my reasons: Many currently illicit drugs (and legal as well I suppose) are designed to alter the brain in a way that causes you to lose degrees of rationality. At this point, you cannot say that being allowed to take drugs is a personal right or freedom because you can endanger other people around you. My other reason is that some of those drugs are seriously addictive to the point of ruining a person's life. To allow people to come into access of such substances is, simply put, callous. Now for why things like cannabis is illegal and nicotine isn't seems to be because of a twist of fate as opposed some logical reason. [editline]23rd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Pappa Smurf;31883231] Edit: you can debate that it is mentally addictive, but thats goes for everything. "OMG IM ADDICTED TO WATCHING BASKETBALL BECAUSE I LIKE IT"[/QUOTE] Some things are more prone to addiction than others; such as gambling.
[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;31893473] Many currently illicit drugs (and legal as well I suppose) are designed to alter the brain in a way that causes you to lose degrees of rationality. At this point, you cannot say that being allowed to take drugs is a personal right or freedom because you can endanger other people around you. My other reason is that some of those drugs are seriously addictive to the point of ruining a person's life. To allow people to come into access of such substances is, simply put, callous. [/QUOTE] Less intelligent people are less rational, tired and hormonal people are less rational and so on. At point where are you allowed to start taking people's rights away? If you take steps to ensure that harm does not come to others, is that sufficient to allow drug taking? Isn't medicalizing substance with strict regulation better than outright prohibition, and wouldn't the government be better at reducing harm, as opposed to having no mechanisms for regulation and treatment?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31887809]It didn't seem to be smoked outside of a religious context. Have you felt a compulsion to smoke it again, also I would think it unwise to smoke it more than 5 times a week.[/QUOTE] Have you ever had food you really liked? Then you ate it a few times, then you went without it for a while and you started wanting that food again? YOU FUCKING ADDICT YOU Honestly, not that you would care, i'm offended at your disposition to addicts, and your whole perception of addiction. Yes, your mother was like that, I've heard this from you before, and yes, that's sad, and you'll let it colour your reaction towards it, it's only human, but that said, it's really irrelevant. You can blame the drug all you want, but your mother was at fault. Blame people who can't control themselves, weed is a very difficult substance to abuse in such a manner without it being a control issue and other issues and not the stuff she's abusing. I've smoked 5 times in the last 2 days, I've hung out with many non smokers who have no clue I'm high because I act perfectly normally and lively, even my family who's known me all my life. And i'm fairly high in this situations. Clearly, marijuana is deadly and dangerous. [editline]23rd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Jabberwocky;31893473]I disagree with this and here are my reasons: Many currently illicit drugs (and legal as well I suppose) are designed to alter the brain in a way that causes you to lose degrees of rationality. At this point, you cannot say that being allowed to take drugs is a personal right or freedom because you can endanger other people around you. My other reason is that some of those drugs are seriously addictive to the point of ruining a person's life. To allow people to come into access of such substances is, simply put, callous. Now for why things like cannabis is illegal and nicotine isn't seems to be because of a twist of fate as opposed some logical reason. [editline]23rd August 2011[/editline] Some things are more prone to addiction than others; such as gambling.[/QUOTE] Drugs can ruin anyones lives if they aren't educated enough to know better or know how to deal with it, why ban the drugs if people will get them anyways, and leave people in the dark? Why not educate people better, with real information about the drugs. More education on the subject with the drugs being regulated and controlled seems to be a far better idea. Yes, some things and far more importantly, [b]some people[/b] are more prone to addiction. So what are you going to do? Nerf the world?
I still wouldn't touch any of that shit with a 10 foot barge pole. [editline]23rd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=TehWhale;31878675]but as sobotnik would say it has no medical value it's just a drug that kids smoke to get high!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [editline]22nd August 2011[/editline] and his mom was addicted and tore the family apart!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE] Witnessing your family be broken apart because of mental issues brought on by drug use is a perfectly good reason to be anti-drug. It doesn't make him any less biased, but everyone is biased, on everything. You are certainly biased, despite the fact that you have cited some sources. Frankly, I'm with Sobotnik more than anyone else in this thread.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;31898956]I still wouldn't touch any of that shit with a 10 foot barge pole. [editline]23rd August 2011[/editline] Witnessing your family be broken apart because of mental issues brought on by drug use is a perfectly good reason to be anti-drug. It doesn't make him any less biased, but everyone is biased, on everything. You are certainly biased, despite the fact that you have cited some sources. Frankly, I'm with Sobotnik more than anyone else in this thread.[/QUOTE] But the drug didn't break apart the family, the person did. All I've ever seen marijuana do is bring people together, and I'm glad you don't smoke it. Why would I want to have something in common with you.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;31898956]I still wouldn't touch any of that shit with a 10 foot barge pole. [editline]23rd August 2011[/editline] Witnessing your family be broken apart because of mental issues brought on by drug use is a perfectly good reason to be anti-drug. It doesn't make him any less biased, but everyone is biased, on everything. You are certainly biased, despite the fact that you have cited some sources. Frankly, I'm with Sobotnik more than anyone else in this thread.[/QUOTE] stupidity is an addictive durg too i hear
I'm sorry, what just happened? Did I just get flamed for saying that I don't want to take drugs (to clarify, I mean, tobacco, nicotine, alchohol and all illegal drugs), and then stating my opinion in as neutral a way as possible? Jesus fuck facepunch, you were never good, but please, try to maintain some standards.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;31900796]I'm sorry, what just happened? Did I just get flamed for saying that I don't want to take drugs (to clarify, I mean, tobacco, nicotine, alchohol and all illegal drugs), and then stating my opinion in as neutral a way as possible? Jesus fuck facepunch, you were never good, but please, try to maintain some standards.[/QUOTE] you said "I still wouldn't touch any of that [I]shit[/I] with a ten foot barge pole" Whether you meant it or not, that isn't really neutral, and it makes a comment about those who would choose to use it.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;31900796]I'm sorry, what just happened? Did I just get flamed for saying that I don't want to take drugs (to clarify, I mean, tobacco, nicotine, alchohol and all illegal drugs), and then stating my opinion in as neutral a way as possible? Jesus fuck facepunch, you were never good, but please, try to maintain some standards.[/QUOTE] So you don't read your posts either?
what's so difficult about saying "despite these discoveries I will continue to abstain from the use of narcotics for my own reasons" automerge pirates
A century ago people worked for the right to choose the government in power. (Every few years) Today a small number seems insistent that the ability to smoke some plant leaves is as important as this when clearly it isn't. The only reason it should be legal is because there is no reason for it to be illegal, not because of crap about "personal rights to potentially harm myself and/or others".
god damn you guys are still arguing
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