• Sanders acknowledges Democratic race is over
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[QUOTE=.Isak.;50586908]Hillary Clinton "doesn't have enough support to beat Trump" even though she's gotten 3 million more votes than Sanders in the primary. And has nearly consistently polled higher than Trump. Okay. [/quote] She has no support among independents and republicans, which you need to win a general. She has constantly put down Bernie supporters and I'm guessing many if not most, will not vote for her. Already addressed the 3 million more votes bullshit. Nearly consistent is a suspect phrase considering before California she was polled consistently below the margin of error vs Trump. [quote] Sanders has pledged since the start of his campaign not to run independent and split the vote. If he backed out on that, he'd be flip-flopping and lying. How can you encourage that? [/quote] I suppose you could call it flip flopping, but I would call it "realizing how bad the DNC fucked you over and trying to stop Trump from being president without them". I encourage a third party run from him 100%. [quote] Sanders will lose at the convention in a month, Hillary will become the nominee, and Trump's campaign will collapse. Hillary will be the president. Is it optimal? No. Is it the reality of the situation? Almost definitely, looking at the polls and at how Trump's campaign is already treading in underfunded, controversial waters that is pushing away even moderate conservatives.[/QUOTE] Can you tell me the lottery numbers for next week please and thank you, Mr Oracle
It's pretty ridiculous that out of that whole C-SPAN interview they go with this headline; a very minor comment flanked by a much bigger point. He's not going to be the nominee but this isn't [I]about[/I] winning the nomination. Too many people are focused on the horse race aspect. He wants to transform the Democratic party through the political revolution he's been talking about and get his progressive ideas out there. Bernie has millions of supporters that Hillary is going to need to win the general so he definitely has weight to throw around in getting concessions from the Democrats. That's why he's taking it to the convention.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50586653]Uh, can someone explain to me the comedic value of this video?[/QUOTE] 4chan meme faces and infectious laughter
[QUOTE=cody8295;50586227]Do you support Johnson ironically or are you just being a pessimist? Bernie can still take the nomination[/QUOTE] I am in fact very serious about my future vote for Gary Johnson.
[QUOTE=cody8295;50574931]Theyre still counting ballots in california. An official tuled that all provisional and crossover ballots be counted (very rare). Sanders might actually win California[/QUOTE] Is it now appropriate to coin the term "bernie reality distortion field"?
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50589910]Is it now appropriate to coin the term "bernie reality distortion field"?[/QUOTE] No, it's more like the "cody alternate dimension".
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50590828]No, it's more like the "cody alternate dimension".[/QUOTE] Yup. I think a lot of Bernie fans have no real reason to say anything - they've moved on. The people that are still talking about voting and stuff like that are probably a vocal minority.
[QUOTE=cody8295;50586597]Right now I'm undecided between Sanders and Trump. I know for sure I won't vote Hillary or Stein, considering they don't have enough support to beat Trump. Hopefully sanders surprises us all on July 26th and announces a 3rd party run, but if not then I'm gonna go Trump. I don't care how radically different their spoken opinions are, I base my vote off of what they said and did BEFORE they decided to run for office.[/QUOTE] Wait. In one sentence you say that you would vote for either Sanders or Trump. But in the next you say that you won't vote for other candidates because they can't beat Trump? Do you actually use your brain when making decisions?
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50592796]Wait. In one sentence you say that you would vote for either Sanders or Trump. But in the next you say that you won't vote for other candidates because they can't beat Trump? Do you actually use your brain when making decisions?[/QUOTE] I don't know how someone can make the jump from Bernie to Trump, especially on the grounds of what they were doing before their presidential run. Trump's always had trouble as a businessman.
[QUOTE=cody8295;50586352]Considering bernie doesn't have many supers, 10x his current count isn't that crazy of a thought. We have 30 days, and california is still flipping counties for Bernie. If he doesn't win the nomination I have a suspicion he will run Independent and Trump will be president. I know that he's said he wont, but he has been dropping subtle hints lately[/QUOTE] Sanders has already said he won't run third-party, because doing so would practically be robbing the Democratic party of votes, bolstering whatever lead Trump manages to get.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;50592933]Sanders has already said he won't run third-party, because doing so would practically be robbing the Democratic party of votes, bolstering whatever lead Trump manages to get.[/QUOTE] This has been repeated so many times. Lately he has been dropping subtle hints that he might actually do it. I'm not saying he will, but if he does I'll vote for him [editline]25th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Headhumpy;50592796]Wait. In one sentence you say that you would vote for either Sanders or Trump. But in the next you say that you won't vote for other candidates because they can't beat Trump? Do you actually use your brain when making decisions?[/QUOTE] I guess you can't understand a simple priority review: Ordered priority of people who I don't want to be president: 1. Clinton 2. Trump I'll gladly vote for the lesser of 2 evils since thats how our shitty democracy works
[QUOTE=cody8295;50592944]This has been repeated so many times. Lately he has been dropping subtle hints that he might actually do it. I'm not saying he will, but if he does I'll vote for him [editline]25th June 2016[/editline] I guess you can't understand a simple priority review: Ordered priority of people who I don't want to be president: 1. Clinton 2. Trump I'll gladly vote for the lesser of 2 evils since thats how our shitty democracy works[/QUOTE] The problem with this train of thought is that we already have some insight as to how Hillary runs things due to her past political experience. Voting Trump as a "lesser of two evils" is like taking a random mutt from the pound and putting it in charge of guarding a cat rescue.
[QUOTE=cody8295;50592944]This has been repeated so many times. Lately he has been dropping subtle hints that he might actually do it. I'm not saying he will, but if he does I'll vote for him [editline]25th June 2016[/editline] I guess you can't understand a simple priority review: Ordered priority of people who I don't want to be president: 1. Clinton 2. Trump I'll gladly vote for the lesser of 2 evils since thats how our shitty democracy works[/QUOTE] Why do you think that Clinton will make a worse president than Trump? I haven't seen your other posts on this topic before so apologies if you have to repeat yourself.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50593002]Why do you think that Clinton will make a worse president than Trump? I haven't seen your other posts on this topic before so apologies if you have to repeat yourself.[/QUOTE] She has shown disgusting apathy for the American people via her constant lies and deceptions. She broke a law which anybody else would serve prison time for, and the evidence is widespread. She has voted for bills and actions I do not agree with. She was a defense attorney and a good one, freeing at least 1 child rapist. The dozens of scandals she's been involved in, but mostly hiring friends of the family to be Bills travel cabinet during his presidency and taking millions from Saudi Arabia and Wall St. The way she changes her opinion to fit the populist message is worrisome. The way she mishandled above top-secret info was negligent. Her foreign policy would be as disastrous if not more so than Trumps I don't believe she'll pass as many progressive bills as Trump, and that's taking into consideration that Trump will likely take us a few steps back with progressivism. The way I see it, Hilldawg is a republican running as a democrat and Trump is a democrat running as a republican. They both suck but hillary would make for a much worse president.
[QUOTE=cody8295;50593086]She was a defense attorney and a good one, freeing at least 1 child rapist.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/[/url] I wonder if you were a part of the absolute worst sect of Bernie Bros, which just made up shit, listened to hearsay, and was hellbent on spreading hate as opposed to changing anything - you know, the shit that people keep saying about Clinton supporters. Making that claim is not a joke, and you'd be seriously pissed off if someone said the same about Sanders.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50593298][url]http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/[/url] I wonder if you were a part of the absolute worst sect of Bernie Bros, which just made up shit, listened to hearsay, and was hellbent on spreading hate as opposed to changing anything - you know, the shit that people keep saying about Clinton supporters. Making that claim is not a joke, and you'd be seriously pissed off if someone said the same about Sanders.[/QUOTE] Never said she laughed about. Did you even read your source? [QUOTE]WHAT'S TRUE: In 1975, young lawyer Hillary Rodham was appointed to represent a defendant charged with raping a 12-year-old girl. Clinton reluctantly took on the case, which ended with a plea bargain for the defendant.[/QUOTE] Literally what I claimed. Wanna play again?
[QUOTE=cody8295;50586270]It involves the superdelegates coming to the very important realization that Clinton cannot win a general election in November. Superdelegates have been flipping recently, not nearly enough yet for him to take the lead but the convention isn't for another month. A lot can happen in a month, including more leaked documents showing Clintons negligence[/QUOTE] What will you do when that doesn't happen and Clinton is the nominee. "Don't worry guys, Bernie can still clinch the nomination!"
[QUOTE=cody8295;50593349]Did you even read your source?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=cody8295;50593086]She was a defense attorney and a good one, freeing at least 1 child rapist.[/QUOTE] [quote=Snopes;50593298]she did not "free" the defendant.[/quote] [quote=Snopes;50593298]Gibson said the same thing during a 2014 CNN interview about the case, adding that Hillary had attempted unsuccessfully to get the judge to remove her from the case...[/quote] [quote=Snopes;50593298]Finally, Hillary didn't "free" the defendant in the case. Instead, the prosecuting attorney agreed to a plea deal involving a lesser charge that carried a five-year sentence, which the judge reduced to four years probation and a year in jail (including time already served)...[/quote] [quote=Snopes;50593298]Additionally, according to Newsday it was the complainant and her mother who pushed the state to make a quick plea deal rather than have the former go through the ordeal of a court trial, with the mother actively interfering in the investigation to bring about that result...[/quote] Come on now. I'm big on Bernie but I'm not big on making shit up. I don't have to lie about Clinton freeing a child rapist in order to feel validated about my political standing. I disagree with how she's conducted herself in the political, but I'm not ready to to make these audacious claims and I'm not ready to say she's terrible as a human being. Also, I'm gonna ask you man to man to hold off on the unwarranted snark.
Lay off the cough syrup Cody, it distorts your perception of reality. [Quote=cody8295]Trump is a democrat running as a republican.[/quote] Oh man.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50593486]Come on now. I'm big on Bernie but I'm not big on making shit up. I don't have to lie about Clinton freeing a child rapist in order to feel validated about my political standing. I disagree with how she's conducted herself in the political, but I'm not ready to to make these audacious claims and I'm not ready to say she's terrible as a human being. Also, I'm gonna ask you man to man to hold off on the unwarranted snark.[/QUOTE] You're really gonna say I'm making shit up because we disagree on the definition of the word free? Relatively speaking, for raping a child, a plea bargain for very little to no prison time IS FREEDOM.
I know I'm not supposed to play the woman card, but when Sanders supporters would rather vote for trump, the person who's believes the exact opposite of bernie sanders, it makes me believe that they don't like hillary for the sole reason that she's a woman. In every respect, clinton is better than trump. Pick any issue, and clinton is better than trump. You can't deny this. And when people say "why would you vote for the person that bernie sanders rails against and believes the exact opposite as you?" The answer is "because reasons" I mean, when it's apparent that hillary is the more preferable candidate in every category to a big racist oragne, the only factor left that I can see is that she's a woman. At the very least, anybody voting for trump when they supported sanders tells me that sanders supporters don't actually believe in their own policies, otherwise they wouldn't vote for a blatantly racist republican who will do the exact opposite of the beliefs they're pretending to have
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50593575]Lay off the cough syrup Cody, it distorts your perception of reality. Oh man.[/QUOTE] I love how your posts get less and less substantiative each time, very telling [editline]25th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=proboardslol;50593749] I mean, when it's apparent that hillary is the more preferable candidate in every category to a big racist oragne, the only factor left that I can see is that she's a woman. [/QUOTE] There is maybe 1 or 2 categories where Clinton is a better candidate, and her criminal record outweighs any benefits she has over trump
[QUOTE=cody8295;50593744]You're really gonna say I'm making shit up because we disagree on the definition of the word free? Relatively speaking, for raping a child, a plea bargain for very little to no prison time IS FREEDOM.[/QUOTE] Sure, you can go ahead and equate the two, but while you're making sacrifices for the sake of argument, allow me to do the same: For the sake of argument, let's suggest that you already don't have a good perception of Clinton and want to get some extra dirt on her. So you take a gander at what has happened in her past for whatever reason - maybe you don't think her current scandals are good enough for whatever reason - whatever the case you come across the fact that she's defended a child rapist. Now, let's ignore the line of work that comes along with being a lawyer - I mean sometimes lawyers get stuck defending people they ordinarily wouldn't want to defend. If you look at the article, she literally tried to back out of the case and not be involved. But, when you put it that way, it doesn't really look so scandalous anymore - she's just doing her job. So, for the sake of argument, let's not mention that. And, let's ignore the fact that she was trying to take on the case from a purely legal standpoint, with arguments made based on the sanctity of justice and not necessarily out of irrational passion - she wanted her client to be charged with the facts and only things that would be fit for the courtroom. But, that doesn't really make her out to be a bad guy so much - I mean, in a sense mentioning this would make her look like someone who takes her job seriously with principles and a respect for order in the justice system. Let's not mention that. And let's ignore the fact that it wasn't even her that was aiming for the plea bargain, but the rapist and the family members instead. Oh, when you put it like that, it really lessens the impact of what you're trying to do, which is make it look like Clinton maliciously used a plea bargain to set the rapist free. Yeah, don't worry dude, I think you're making a lot of sense and aren't just being disgusting in smearing Clinton with lies. After all, Clinton is just a really consistent liar and a really bad person. She couldn't have possibly just done her job without malicious intent - not even once. She has to be a terrible person all the way through her career. You're just "stating the facts". I get it, man. This the type of bullshit I can't stand - people can't look at good people like Bernie without treating him as an infallible deity, and anyone that opposes them can't be represented with their immediate flaws - no, that's not good enough. It's better to try and invalidate their entire existence and make them out to be Hitler or child rapist defenders - and don't say, "Hey, she literally did this man." I know what you're trying to do. You're mentioning it with all of those flaws as a way to pin it against her and make her seem way worse than she actually is. I'm tired of romanticism and vilification to this degree. I'm tired of my outspoken Bernie friends who are no better than and sometimes even worse than the outspoken Trump supporters I've seen. I don't need my reality to be twisted to be more entertaining or exciting than it actually is. I can function without turning Clinton into the devil. The people that can't will always be terrible.
[QUOTE=cody8295;50593752]I love how your posts get less and less substantiative each time, very telling [editline]25th June 2016[/editline] There is maybe 1 or 2 categories where Clinton is a better candidate, and her criminal record outweighs any benefits she has over trump[/QUOTE] If you believe in Bernie and his policies, Hillary's policies are better than almost all of Trump's. Hillary would maintain and improve Obamacare whereas Trump would throw it out the window. Hillary would increase the minimum wage. Hillary would work to fight climate change, whereas Trump thinks it's a conspiracy. Hillary would protect Planned Parenthood, while Trump would defund it. Hillary would strengthen labor laws, while Trump won't. etc. Hillary and Bernie agree on like 90% of things, so why do you insist on voting for the political opposite of both Hillary and Bernie? She doesn't have a criminal record. Last I checked, she was subject of an investigation. Innocent before being proven guilty, you know? And let me just put it this way: Even IF she was proven guilty, which is highly unlikely, she would be guilty of using an unsecured server. She didn't commit anti-trust violation. She didn't commit securities fraud or breach of contract. She didn't commit sexual harassment. She didn't commit deceptive practices. She hasn't cheated employees out of contributions to their pension funds. But guess what? All of those were things Trump and his companies have been accused of doing. At least 169 federal lawsuits against Trump. And on many of them, Trump was proven guilty. [url]http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/we-investigated-donald-trump-is-named-in-at-least-169-federal-lawsuits/[/url] Why aren't you angry about Trump's criminal record? [editline]26th June 2016[/editline] Like literally the only way I can see you would still prefer Trump over Hillary is because Trump is a man and Hillary is a woman.
Am I the only one who would vote for Bernie, but would love to see Obamacare thrown out the window? I believe Sanders was even attacked for wanting to dismantle it, but that's because there's no point in building on a broken foundation. The whole thing is just an abortion gone wrong to make it pass for his big name legislation.
[QUOTE=sb27;50595721]If you believe in Bernie and his policies, Hillary's policies are better than almost all of Trump's. Hillary would maintain and improve Obamacare whereas Trump would throw it out the window. Hillary would increase the minimum wage. Hillary would work to fight climate change, whereas Trump thinks it's a conspiracy. Hillary would protect Planned Parenthood, while Trump would defund it. Hillary would strengthen labor laws, while Trump won't. etc. Hillary and Bernie agree on like 90% of things, so why do you insist on voting for the political opposite of both Hillary and Bernie? She doesn't have a criminal record. Last I checked, she was subject of an investigation. Innocent before being proven guilty, you know? And let me just put it this way: Even IF she was proven guilty, which is highly unlikely, she would be guilty of using an unsecured server. She didn't commit anti-trust violation. She didn't commit securities fraud or breach of contract. She didn't commit sexual harassment. She didn't commit deceptive practices. She hasn't cheated employees out of contributions to their pension funds. But guess what? All of those were things Trump and his companies have been accused of doing. At least 169 federal lawsuits against Trump. And on many of them, Trump was proven guilty. [url]http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/we-investigated-donald-trump-is-named-in-at-least-169-federal-lawsuits/[/url] Why aren't you angry about Trump's criminal record? [editline]26th June 2016[/editline] Like literally the only way I can see you would still prefer Trump over Hillary is because Trump is a man and Hillary is a woman.[/QUOTE] Right - I think it's fair to have problems with how Clinton has conducted herself, but to suddenly jump to Trump and say that Hillary is worse in her policies is basically a political 180. When it comes to policies, Trump is Bernie's antithesis. I'd only think it would make sense to vote for Trump after backing Bernie so fervently is if you wanted the system to burn down to the ground or something. Voting based on that ideology is an entirely different story, though. [editline]25th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Revenge282;50595772]Am I the only one who would vote for Bernie, but would love to see Obamacare thrown out the window? I believe Sanders was even attacked for wanting to dismantle it, but that's because there's no point in building on a broken foundation. The whole thing is just an abortion gone wrong to make it pass for his big name legislation.[/QUOTE] Honestly, I'd be down for any alternative to Obamacare. The problem is at the time very many of the Republicans more or less wanted things to stay the same and remain privatized. That's a bullshit non-solution and embodies what it means to be a super popular Republican - just tell everyone else no and contribute nothing yourself. There was Romneycare, which was statewide and was basically a states-flavored Obamacare with small changes of course, so I can't write off the entirety of the Republican party doing nothing, nor would I be willing to say that it was a bad idea. What I am saying is that a lot of liberal ideas are utopian and a lot of conservative ideas don't exist. The conservative ideas all point back to saying no and leaving it up to corporations and the state governments to decide, which is very often not in the consumer's or common citizen's benefit. It's a shame too, because I fully believe we need Republicans, just not in the idle fashion they've existed over the last decade in certain areas.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50595773]Right - I think it's fair to have problems with how Clinton has conducted herself, but to suddenly jump to Trump and say that Hillary is worse in her policies is basically a political 180. When it comes to policies, Trump is Bernie's antithesis. I'd only think it would make sense to vote for Trump after backing Bernie so fervently is if you wanted the system to burn down to the ground or something. Voting based on that ideology is an entirely different story, though. [editline]25th June 2016[/editline] Honestly, I'd be down for any alternative to Obamacare. The problem is at the time very many of the Republicans more or less wanted things to stay the same and remain privatized. That's a bullshit non-solution and embodies what it means to be a super popular Republican - just tell everyone else no and contribute nothing yourself. There was Romneycare, which was statewide and was basically a states-flavored Obamacare with small changes of course, so I can't write off the entirety of the Republican party doing nothing, nor would I be willing to say that it was a bad idea. What I am saying is that a lot of liberal ideas are utopian and a lot of conservative ideas don't exist. The conservative ideas all point back to saying no and leaving it up to corporations and the state governments to decide, which is very often not in the consumer's or common citizen's benefit. It's a shame too, because I fully believe we need Republicans, just not in the idle fashion they've existed over the last decade in certain areas.[/QUOTE] I'd love to have Democrats handle everything in our borders, and Republicans handle everything outside the borders. (Mostly)
Cody doesn't care about policy - he cares about voting for an anti-establishment candidate and nothing else. I've shown him time and time again how Hillary's policies are far closer to Bernie's than Trump's, and he's ignored it over and over and over. He doesn't care that Trump hasn't released his tax returns in something like 20 years - the first presidential candidate to refuse to do so in decades. He doesn't care that the last time he did release his tax returns he paid zero dollars in federal taxes. He doesn't care about tax dodging twenty years ago - but he only cares about Trump's policies twenty years ago. Do you support the death penalty? Trump was a huge advocate back then. What about privatizing social security? Another idea he had decades ago. The only reason I've found that Cody can explain his support is "Trump said in an interview that we should legalize all drugs. He's anti-establishment." Stop cherry-picking positive things Trump said twenty years ago and start looking at the whole picture. He said, time and time again, that Hillary would make a good president before he decided to run in 2014. Do you not trust his judgment on that? Why do you trust his judgment on any other issue?
[QUOTE=Revenge282;50595818]I'd love to have Democrats handle everything in our borders, and Republicans handle everything outside the borders. (Mostly)[/QUOTE] The Second Gulf War happens when the Republicans handle things outside the borders. May want to rethink that, even if "mostly".
[QUOTE=cody8295;50593752]I love how your posts get less and less substantiative each time, very telling [editline]25th June 2016[/editline] There is maybe 1 or 2 categories where Clinton is a better candidate, and her criminal record outweighs any benefits she has over trump[/QUOTE] you do get that Trump has ties to Sammy the Bull Gravano right? He's very likely actually embedded with criminals
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