• Initial Verdict is in: Star Wars is Good Again
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[QUOTE=Glitchman;49323219]Oh my god how could you watch that clip and not think it's some fan made star wars spoof or something in front of a homemade green-screen[/QUOTE] It's quite amazing, specially the blue lightsaber jedi behind the green one that reflects the laser shots in the beggining
[QUOTE=Damjen;49322460]Ian McDiarmid was a blast to watch as well.[/QUOTE] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sObyG9bTf5A[/media] Damn right
Gonna go see it in IMAX at World Golf Village next week. SO fucking pumped. Also I'm sure everyone here has seen it, but for those who haven't, check out a documentary called "The People VS George Lucas". It's pretty well done and an interesting watch. Also has a cute Japanese girl in Pink Stormtrooper armor. Brownie points for that. What I'm really curious about are the Anthology Films. Has there been any new developments lately or is there still a tight lid on it? All I remember was that one of the films was going to be about stealing the Death Star plans.
IDK about most of you guys but i was at the age that the prequels tried to appeal to so for a long time when i thought about them I remembered them being cool. Going back and looking at them again tho its literally just a cash grab by lucas to target the children of fans of the orig movies. So little effort was put into the story and the main focus was just to throw as much shit on the screen as possible. I went back and watched TPM recently and its laughably bad.
But the thing is, the original trilogy I even loved as a kid and then as time went on, gained more and more appreciated of the dialogue, plot, cinematics, ect. Whereas the prequels as a kid I was like "oh it's star wars this is cool!" but then just felt like as time went on did not care, then when re-watching them would even cringe at the dialogue and the special effects. To be honest, I think the Special Edition is FAR WORSE than the prequels because it shits all over the OT in heinous ways. There is a reason why I have the completely un-edited versions laying around. Sure, they removed some of the matte lines and grain from the orinal footage, but they added in that SUPER cringey Jabba in Ep4 and that dance scene in EP6. Can't do it nope nope nope
[QUOTE=Damjen;49322460]Ian McDiarmid was a blast to watch as well.[/QUOTE] I'm honestly torn over that one. I never was fond of The Emperor being a camp middle-aged guy for the bulk of the trilogy, then he suddenly turns into a cackling monster man it's just kind of... silly? On the one hand it's not the Steve Palpatine I fell in love with but on the other he's fun to watch.
[QUOTE=Fort83;49323783] Liam Nesson, [/QUOTE] Liam Nesson was a boring drunk in the prequels.
[QUOTE=Shadow801;49321816]People love jumping on the Lucas hating band wagon I actually like the prequels[/QUOTE] As books they're fine. As movies they're terribly acted, with CGI that even B movies wouldn't use (Which I blame for the bad acting. Hard to put yourself in a role when all that's around you is Blluuuuuuueeeee), with many details in the stories left out. Then the over the top 'for the kids' humor and complete lack of grit Liam Neeson, Ewan Mcgregor (Who was in Blackhawk Down) and Natalie Portman are good actors and even they seemed like first year drama class students
[QUOTE=Glitchman;49323680]But the thing is, the original trilogy I even loved as a kid and then as time went on, gained more and more appreciated of the dialogue, plot, cinematics, ect. Whereas the prequels as a kid I was like "oh it's star wars this is cool!" but then just felt like as time went on did not care, then when re-watching them would even cringe at the dialogue and the special effects. To be honest, I think the Special Edition is FAR WORSE than the prequels because it shits all over the OT in heinous ways. There is a reason why I have the completely un-edited versions laying around. Sure, they removed some of the matte lines and grain from the orinal footage, but they added in that SUPER cringey Jabba in Ep4 and that dance scene in EP6. Can't do it nope nope nope[/QUOTE] yeah sorry I'd rather take the Special Editions over the original versions any day. even with some of the super dumb stuff, the small stuff just makes it far better
Jokes on you guys, I'm gonna watch Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip and have the entire theater to myself while you nerds are in a packed theater watching Star Bored! Ho ho! Ah haha! Hah. ...Hah.
[QUOTE=bdd458;49323878]yeah sorry I'd rather take the Special Editions over the original versions any day. even with some of the super dumb stuff, the small stuff just makes it far better[/QUOTE] Genuine question, what kind of little touches are you talking about? Because I don't think any change, no matter how large or small, can justify this: [t]http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/bd/Hot_Lips_Snootles.png/revision/latest?cb=20130331034108[/t]
[QUOTE=Fort83;49323783] Liam Nesson,[/QUOTE] people like to tout around liam neeson and samuel l jackson as if they were 'good' things about the prequels but i disagree. they were completely misused. a good actor =/= a good performance, and there's nothing that they did that couldn't have been done by a worse actor, because the only one of their strengths that lucas used is their ability to read things out loud.
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;49324287]Genuine question, what kind of little touches are you talking about? Because I don't think any change, no matter how large or small, can justify this: [t]http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/bd/Hot_Lips_Snootles.png/revision/latest?cb=20130331034108[/t][/QUOTE] i thought it was seeing the inside of that one aliens mouth you know the one
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNbzSH84mj0[/media] Dear god the jabba scene
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;49324287]Genuine question, what kind of little touches are you talking about? Because I don't think any change, no matter how large or small, can justify this: [t]http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/bd/Hot_Lips_Snootles.png/revision/latest?cb=20130331034108[/t][/QUOTE] [video=youtube;8faBFPENMbg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8faBFPENMbg[/video] Special edition version of the Death Star attack for starters. There's quite a lot of shots in the original version where it just feels like the ships aren't really there, it's absolutely jarring and takes me out of the experience. [video=youtube;RNbzSH84mj0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNbzSH84mj0[/video] Stuff like the better shot of the Sandcrawler (though holy shit Obi Wan's new "scream" is fucking bad like wtf who fucking greenlit that???). Some of the Mos Eisley stuff I like, not all of it (like that gaint thing the Jawas are falling off of), but the extra establishing shots and really making the city feel big - not to mention fixing up the Matte paintings throughout the entirety of the OT. There are also shots in AHN where you can see they're just holding a lightsaber prop, with no effects - they cleaned that up in later versions of the Special Editions. I recommend all of the videos the above guy did just comparing the changes with the original version. There's just a lot of little things that add up for me (stuff I didn't even list), and just make them better in my eyes. I just tend to take the bad stuff with the good stuff.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsipO_x3naA[/media] special mention to the best change yet
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49324532][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsipO_x3naA[/media] special mention to the best change yet[/QUOTE] I legitimately want to know who greenlit that, just so I can hope that they don't have a job anymore.
[QUOTE=Occlusion;49321782]And the original trilogy?[/QUOTE] They were noting like the films or characters or world he first envisioned though. It's often theorised that the main difference between the two trilogies was that for the originals, Lucas had a huge team over his shoulder making changes, telling him to rewrite the scripts and make significant changes. But then in the prequels everyone just assumed he knew what he was doing and he got full creative control.
I'm just glad they didn't mess with this: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm1OaKO_fzw[/media]
[QUOTE=redBadger;49324408][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNbzSH84mj0[/media] Dear god the jabba scene[/QUOTE] The 2011 Krayt Dragon call Obi-Wan made to scare the Tuskens was the second worst WTF change IMO. The first being that entire sequence at Jabba's palace with the singing. Some of the changes are okay. Hell a couple of them aren't changes, they're just sort of fixed. Like when Luke is told 'Tell your uncle' You can hear the cut in the original. But it sounds like it was cut in the original to make it sound like she was Luke's sister or something? I guess Lucas was toying with the idea of Luke having a sister for a while
[QUOTE=Craigewan;49321740]This. This is the thing to bear in mind. It was only once people took a step back from the sheer thrill of a new Star Wars movie that The Phantom Menace fell apart under scrutiny.[/QUOTE] after the original trilogy I'd assume people are going into this one ready to pick it to pieces. Hell, people have already been doomsaying about it with zero evidence, so this whole thing stands as being a good omen. We'll see though!
[QUOTE=Damjen;49321704]People were happy after TPM premiere as well.[/QUOTE] To be fair though, nobody saw that shit coming. I think even the most optimistic viewers will have that little nugget of doubt going into this one after that mess.
[QUOTE=Fort83;49323783]Ewan Mcgregor as Obi Wan,[/QUOTE] very well-cast and talented actor who had to pull out the finest salvage job of his career just to give the vague pretense of a character [QUOTE=Fort83;49323783]Ian McDiamod[/QUOTE] the one person in the prequels who was allowed to be an actual actor for three whole movies [QUOTE=Fort83;49323783]The bigger battle scenes during the clone wars, Order 66,[/QUOTE] both fine [QUOTE=Fort83;49323783]Pod racing,[/QUOTE] decent sequence bogged down by being situated in the most boring part of the movie [QUOTE=Fort83;49323783]Liam Nesson,[/QUOTE] who plays a vapid nothing character indistinguishable from any other emotionless jedi jobber [QUOTE=Fort83;49323783]Jango Fett[/QUOTE] conceptually cool but criminally underused character who had surprisingly little to do and should have bailed into a far better story
[QUOTE=TheTalon;49324874]The 2011 Krayt Dragon call Obi-Wan made to scare the Tuskens was the second worst WTF change IMO. The first being that entire sequence at Jabba's palace with the singing. Some of the changes are okay. Hell a couple of them aren't changes, they're just sort of fixed. Like when Luke is told 'Tell your uncle' You can hear the cut in the original. But it sounds like it was cut in the original to make it sound like she was Luke's sister or something? I guess Lucas was toying with the idea of Luke having a sister for a while[/QUOTE] My personal worst will always be Vader screaming no. The original scene was so good because you could just see the conflict on Vader's face even with that mask. And then they took the most hilarious thing about Ep3 and slapped it onto that scene.
[QUOTE=Cone;49325707]very well-cast and talented actor who had to pull out the finest salvage job of his career just to give the vague pretense of a character the one person in the prequels who was allowed to be an actual actor for three whole movies both fine decent sequence bogged down by being situated in the most boring part of the movie who plays a vapid nothing character indistinguishable from any other emotionless jedi jobber conceptually cool but criminally underused character who had surprisingly little to do and should have bailed into a far better story[/QUOTE] All of the CGI before Episode 3 is garbage, and I honestly can't [B]RESPECT[/B] (on a personal, individual level) someone who will [I]try[/I] to defend anything about how they did Order 66. [editline]15th December 2015[/editline] If only I could find the webm of this... but dude. [img]http://i.stack.imgur.com/OQcct.png[/img]
[QUOTE=redBadger;49324408][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNbzSH84mj0[/media] Dear god the jabba scene[/QUOTE] Man, I didn't realize how ridiculous those "Greebo shot first" edits looked until I replayed it a few times. Digitally moving Han's head looks so fucking silly
About to head out to my local theatre to wait from 5AM till 10AM to buy some tickets. At least I know that the chance of being disappointed will be a bit smaller.
Reviews are starting to roll out [url]http://www.geekster.be/star-wars-vii-the-force-awakens-a-new-generation-a-new-beginning/[/url]
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49325865]All of the CGI before Episode 3 is garbage, and I honestly can't [B]RESPECT[/B] (on a personal, individual level) someone who will [I]try[/I] to defend anything about how they did Order 66. [editline]15th December 2015[/editline] If only I could find the webm of this... but dude. [img]http://i.stack.imgur.com/OQcct.png[/img][/QUOTE] literally posted the video of that not 20 posts ago lol
[QUOTE=Takuat;49326277]Reviews are starting to roll out [url]http://www.geekster.be/star-wars-vii-the-force-awakens-a-new-generation-a-new-beginning/[/url][/QUOTE] Not surprised. JJ Abrams will always be to me a guy who makes stuff look good, but is still a tv show level director in plots and relies way too much on using old formulas.
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