• China tells US: Stop preaching on human rights
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[QUOTE=Falchion;29082708]Take that America. Damn fucking right :v: I know China is not the one to say it, but this is the truth. Edit: America still hasn't paid back for the CIA orchestrated cocaine trade, gun trade and deliberate bombing of everything that moves (Including civilians, their houses and everything else) in Laos near the vietnam border in the 60s. CIA and the hmong mercenary army under their command extorted civilians (Work or no food) to make them work on cocaine farms, the cocaine was transported by the "CIA airlines", Air America. Also when an attack resulted in death of the majority of the hmong mercenary personnel they resorted to use child soldiers. The gov never even said "sorry". In the end they destroyed a small civilisation of the hmongs. Better later than never though. It just looks like it's gonna be the never.[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone is trying to justify the atrocities of Vietnam but they aren't exactly relevant considering not a single person in a command position from Vietnam is still in government service today. It's been 50 years The US civil rights report rightly focuses on modern problems, as does Chinas. No complaints are leveled at the Great Leap (backward) or the other horrific events in post revolution China.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;29081648]To equate China to the US is pretty nuts, hell, just read what is happening to this guy: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ai_Weiwei[/url][/QUOTE] Hey I never equated the two I just said that the US has a few too many of its own problems to be hailing itself as a world leader in human rights
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[QUOTE=Regulas021;29082812]I don't think anyone is trying to justify the atrocities of Vietnam but they aren't exactly relevant considering not a single person in a command position from Vietnam is still in government service today. It's been 50 years The US civil rights report rightly focuses on modern problems, as does Chinas. No complaints are leveled at the Great Leap (backward) or the other horrific events in post revolution China.[/QUOTE] Atrocities in Laos. Near vietnam. Didn't come up until a long time later because it was a secret operation. I've seen interviews of some of the CIA agents there. They got medals for what they did. One said he was proud with fucking tears in his eyes. Edit: Also some of the people who were the victims there, they are still alive. No compensation or apology to this day.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29081568]Shut down Guantanamo and then talk Both countries have issues and that's basically what China is saying[/QUOTE] Both Hitler and Mel Gibson don't like Jews.
China has no right to say anything like that. They have invaded sovereign countries (Tibet), their country is a dictatorship with no freedom of speech. USA has a right to liberate people from dictators like them. Of course it would be better if UN could be the world police instead of US, but that's not going to happen anytime soon.
It's funny because China doesn't [b]have[/b] human rights.
You don't need to be a billionaire to go [I]those poor people are poor![/I]
[QUOTE=Falchion;29082894]Atrocities in Laos. Near vietnam. Didn't come up until a long time later because it was a secret operation. I've seen interviews of some of the CIA agents there. They got medals for what they did. One said he was proud with fucking tears in his eyes. Edit: Also some of the people who were the victims there, they are still alive. No compensation or apology to this day.[/QUOTE] That's why I love the military. Preach to someone enough and they'll kill children and call it justice. Don't you just love watching individual thought ground to dust?
[QUOTE=bravehat;29081826]Human rights, not animal rights dolt. [/QUOTE] You obviously don't get the the joke. [editline]69th November 1969[/editline] Get a sense of humor.
Most people forget that on all social areas, China is quite far behind the US by at least 15 years, Chinese culture has been a tough life on the average citizen since it's birth. Meanwhile the cultural Freedoms of the US have been very liberal since independence. This gap means that the US should stay out of it for at least a few more years.
That's like a pile of shit calling another pile of shit stinky.
[QUOTE=Rautatie;29082933]China has no right to say anything like that. They have [b]invaded sovereign countries[/b] (Tibet), their country is a dictatorship with no freedom of speech. [b]USA has a right to liberate people from dictators[/b] like them.[/QUOTE] This confuses and infuriates me.
[QUOTE=Falchion;29082894]Atrocities in Laos. Near vietnam. Didn't come up until a long time later because it was a secret operation. I've seen interviews of some of the CIA agents there. They got medals for what they did. One said he was proud with fucking tears in his eyes. Edit: Also some of the people who were the victims there, they are still alive. No compensation or apology to this day.[/QUOTE] The battles in Laos were an extension of the Vietnam conflict, which is what I was referring to. Can you show us these interviews? Because I sort of doubt that the CIA men being interviewed were being given medals for killing children. More likely they were being given medals for the operations in Laos that coincided (i.e. the North Vietnamese invasion in order to set up supply routes that the US couldn't bomb [that they bombed anyway]).
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29081568]Shut down Guantanamo and then talk Both countries have issues and that's basically what China is saying[/QUOTE] Guantanamo is nothing compared to Chinese human rights abuses. Don't try and compare an entire nation to a small base.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;29082544]It's a natural part of being a Hegemon, every great power in history did it, or actively attempted to do so.[/QUOTE] As far as I know, China hasn't.
[QUOTE=AxerFex;29083383]As far as I know, China hasn't.[/QUOTE] Asia is a vastly different case, but yeah, every major power that existed spent most of it's time making war on the not so major powers. Why do you think there is so much animosity between the Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, and the inhabitants of the former Khmer empire? The number of times that China tried to invade Korea is legendary in Korean culture. The Mongols were included for a long time as well, but the Russian empire of Catherine the Great sort of Europeanified them.
[QUOTE=Earthen;29083372]Guantanamo is nothing compared to Chinese human rights abuses. Don't try and compare an entire nation to a small base.[/QUOTE] I never said america's problems are equal to china's read
[QUOTE=Devodiere;29082064]Also no, in a full-scale war, the US would be able to overpower them. I don't really wanna get into all kinds of hypothetical scenarios but but China does not hold any military power over the US. There are other things they can do, but threatening war will not end well for them.[/QUOTE] Heh, get Desert Storm out of your ass. Can the US accumulate a superior correlation of forces and means in East Asia in a timely manner and not weaken committments elsewhere? (That means shipping heavy ground forces to their respective deployment locations; a theater war cannot be won solely in the air or on the sea) That's all I'll say on this matter, because I don't want to derail this thread and a conventional theater war is ultimately pointless in this day and age.
[QUOTE=Tac Error;29083550]Heh, get Desert Storm out of your ass. Can the US accumulate a superior correlation of forces and means in East Asia in a timely manner and not weaken committments elsewhere? (That means shipping heavy ground forces to their respective deployment locations; a theater war cannot be won solely in the air or on the sea) That's all I'll say on this matter, because I don't want to derail this thread and a conventional theater war is ultimately pointless in this day and age.[/QUOTE] Both China and the US would fuck up badly if one tried to invade the other.
[QUOTE=kaven;29083704]Both China and the US would fuck up badly if one tried to invade the other.[/QUOTE] I don't know much about military, but I imagine the US lacks the manpower to invade China, and China lacks the power projection.
[QUOTE=darkedone02;29081585]This is our country, and this is our rules. Don't oppress your power over our nation.[/QUOTE] Ironic you saying that this is our country and our rules, yet the US is interfering with another country.
[QUOTE=Tac Error;29083550]Heh, get Desert Storm out of your ass. Can the US accumulate a superior correlation of forces and means in East Asia in a timely manner and not weaken committments elsewhere? (That means shipping heavy ground forces to their respective deployment locations; a theater war cannot be won solely in the air or on the sea) That's all I'll say on this matter, because I don't want to derail this thread and a conventional theater war is ultimately pointless in this day and age.[/QUOTE] I was more talking about any kind of military engagement between China and the US. The US may have trouble while on the offensive but China would have even more. Hell, they wouldn't even be able to get control of the Sea to make use of their larger standing army. It doesn't really matter who is greater, the fact is that neither would be able to threaten the other militarily. China probably less so because although complete destruction is unlikely, the US can hit harder than they can meaning ANY engagement would end badly.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;29083740]I don't know much about military, but I imagine the US lacks the manpower to invade China, and China lacks the power projection.[/QUOTE] right you are...the US also lack money and then there is the fact that if the US would be invaded there are a fuckload of rednecks with guns that would probably fight back.
US tells China, brb workin on bio-weapon that only kills you guys
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29083489]I never said america's problems are equal to china's read[/QUOTE] What I meant was that Guantanamo is fucked up, but its there for a semi-legitimate reason. The invasion of Tibet had no basis seeing as Tibet has its own distinct culture, language and so on.
[QUOTE=Biggins;29084273]US tells China, brb workin on bio-weapon that only kills you guys[/QUOTE] It shall be in the lead paint toys.
Skipping alot of posts; I'd rather live in China than the US in the next few years.
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;29082305]Every country's government sucks. As long as there is at least 2 people on this earth, there is going to be disagreements.[/QUOTE] Not if they are 10,000 miles away from each other.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29081568]Shut down Guantanamo and then talk Both countries have issues and that's basically what China is saying[/QUOTE] I don't think a single prison can equate to the numerous atrocities this country does to this own people.
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