Iran: Mother stops execution of son's murderer in the last second (pictures)
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[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44573835]Anyone else notice the noose looks blood-stained?[/QUOTE]
It's probably just rust from the rope rubbing against that scaffold it's wrapped around.
Hey uh, everyone? Iran outlawed stoning in 2002. Afaik they don't punish rape victims either - you're probably thinking Saudi Arabia and shit.
They can still go to hell for chanting Death to Americans every day though. Fuck them.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;44573835]Anyone else notice the noose looks blood-stained?[/QUOTE]
isn't that surprising really
hanging isn't exactly a pretty way to die
[QUOTE=Xystus234;44575596]Hey uh, everyone? Iran outlawed stoning in 2002. Afaik they don't punish rape victims either - you're probably thinking Saudi Arabia and shit.
They can still go to hell for chanting Death to Americans every day though. Fuck them.[/QUOTE]
While I think their ethics are behind, I think we're not totally innocent in their hatred for us. I mean, even though it was what, 40 years ago now? We still did do a lot of nasty junk in the region, not the least of which was propping up puppet governments and arming various factions for arbitrary reasons. I'd say it's a bit rash to condemn a large population for such an issue. Focus should be placed on improvement, not hatred.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;44575596]Hey uh, everyone? Iran outlawed stoning in 2002. Afaik they don't punish rape victims either - you're probably thinking Saudi Arabia and shit.
They can still go to hell for chanting Death to Americans every day though. Fuck them.[/QUOTE]
Actually, Iran didn't "outlaw" stoning in 2002. A judiciary chief issued a "directive" to "suspend" the practice of stoning. The law has not been changed. The law still demands that women be stoned to death.
Oh and here's a fun fact. If the person to be stoned to death can free themselves before they die, they are released. They bury men up to their waist. They bury women...up to their neck. Well...fair's fair right? That said, many judges will "show mercy" and just "grant" them a hanging. What nice fellas.
Also, you should read the Iranian penal code sometime. It's a laugh riot. The grounds for whether someone is ruled guilty or not is subject to if they are "believed" to be telling the truth or "believed" to be lying.
Sharia law is a bucket of laughs.
To put that into perspective, what if Jews and Christians abode by the the laws of Leviticus. (Leviticus isn't just for Jews! Christians against gays quote it all the time! Can't pick and choose from the "Word of God" right?)
If you work on the Sabbath? The punishment is death.
If you curse your parents? The punishment is death.
If you are raped but don't protest loudly enough for someone to save you? The punishment is death...by stoning no less.
If *you* rape a virgin the punishment is...you have to marry her and pay her family 50 shekels. Snap.
I could go on and on...and keep rapping to the break of dawn...
[QUOTE=IGotWorms;44573349]It's nothing to celebrate or applaud. The mercy shown by the individual woman perhaps but for Iran...this is their "justice." This is a country where teenage girls have been stoned to death for the crime of "allowing" themselves to be raped or "seducing" men into raping them. This is a country where you can be guilty of a crime carrying the death penalty just because someone says you are.[/QUOTE]
so anything progressive done by iranians is completely nullified by that dark past, right?
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;44575834]so anything progressive done by iranians is completely nullified by that dark past, right?[/QUOTE]
I think you may have "past" mixed up with "present." If you read through the whole thread, you'll see I've already provided many examples.
Iran cannot "progress" as long as they are under the rule of a military dictatorship and religious law where even preaching another religion besides Islam is punishable by death. As long as the military and religious right in Iran maintain control the country will continue to be ruled by fear and hate.
[QUOTE=IGotWorms;44575408]
This is a country where free thought or not being a Muslim is punishable by death. In 2010 a Christian pastor was told to denounce his religion and convert to Islam or be put to death. They have a law against preaching any religion other than Islam and the punishment for breaking that law is death. They have stoned women to death who were rape victims. [/QUOTE]
Dude, you're just talking out of your ass now. You've yet to post a source for any of your claims. Yes, iran is ruled by a totalitarian regime, so obviously there's no free speech but that applies to everybody regardless of religion.
No, not being a muslim is not punishable by death. In fact jews, christians and zoroastrians are officially recognized and protected, and have reserved seats in the parliament. Also, stoning sentences haven't been handed down or carried out in over 10 years.
[QUOTE=aydin690;44575959]Dude, you're just talking out of your ass now. You've yet to post a source for any of your claims. Yes, iran is ruled by a totalitarian regime, so obviously there's no free speech but that applies to everybody regardless of religion.
No, not being a muslim is not punishable by death. In fact jews, christians and zoroastrians are officially recognized and protected, and have reserved seats in the parliament. Also, stoning sentences haven't been handed down or carried out in over 10 years.[/QUOTE]
You need sources? Like...because maybe I'm just making it up? Holy shit, is your google broken? No offense, but you seriously need to read up on Apostasy law in Iran. And if you don't believe me about the Christian pastor who was sentenced to death and told he had to denounce his faith and convert back to Islam then also look up "Youcef Nadarkhani."
You're dumbvoting me and you don't even know what the hell you're talking about. I don't take it personally though but you are seriously uninformed.
You're wrong about stoning sentences as well. It has not been outlawed either. Go back and read through my comments on the first page. There was a "directive" in 2002 to suggest stoning be stopped but the laws were not changed. And you're the second person to misquote that now.
"TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Officials say two men in Iran have been stoned to death for adultery and murder, while another escaped death by digging his way out of the hole where he was buried to face a similar fate, according to media reports." -2009
And if CNN is too "liberal" for you, you can find this on numerous other major news outlets including Fox and...oh yeah...official Iranian news as well.
So 10 years since Iran stopped stoning? So, let's see...it's 2019 already? Man...I must have overslept.
A woman was also sentenced to be stoned to death in 2010 as well. So...yeah. Nope.
Edit: Dumbvoting me when you thought I was wrong, eh...whatever. But dumbvoting after I proved you wrong? That's just childish.
[QUOTE=IGotWorms;44576024]You need sources? Like...because maybe I'm just making it up? Holy shit, is your google broken? No offense, but you seriously need to read up on Apostasy law in Iran. And if you don't believe me about the Christian pastor who was sentenced to death and told he had to denounce his faith and convert back to Islam then also look up "Youcef Nadarkhani."
You're dumbvoting me and you don't even know what the hell you're talking about. I don't take it personally though but you are seriously uninformed.
You're wrong about stoning sentences as well. It has not been outlawed either. Go back and read through my comments on the first page.
"TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Officials say two men in Iran have been stoned to death for adultery and murder, while another escaped death by digging his way out of the hole where he was buried to face a similar fate, according to media reports." -2009
And if CNN is too "liberal" for you, you can find this on numerous other major news outlets including Fox and...oh yeah...official Iranian news as well.
So 10 years since Iran stopped stoning? So, let's see...it's 2019 already? Man...I must have overslept.
A woman was also sentenced to be stoned to death in 2010 as well. So...yeah. Nope.
Edit: Awww...what's wrong now? Don't like being wrong?[/QUOTE]
For someone like you to demonise another country's rules and laws, try looking at your own country's history, but it's ok now cause your country progressed into a new age of lies and backhanded deals and spying on damn near everyone in the world and also having one of the worlds worst corrupt political systems. My country is the same, we've done some shit that we ain't proud of, but we have tried to progress same as America, hopefully Iran will follow suit, who knows? But in this one moment were this woman took a stance and basically said "No, I will not conform to this, I won't kill another's son" you feel the need to go off on one?
[QUOTE=JPsRcE;44576143]For someone like you to demonise another country's rules and laws, try looking at your own country's history, but it's ok now cause your country progressed into a new age of lies and backhanded deals and spying on damn near everyone in the world and also having one of the worlds worst corrupt political systems. My country is the same, we've done some shit that we ain't proud of, but we have tried to progress same as America, hopefully Iran will follow suit, who knows? But in this one moment were this woman took a stance and basically said "No, I will not conform to this, I won't kill another's son" you feel the need to go off on one?[/QUOTE]
Well...it's not very hard to demonize Sharia law, especially Iran's "Funterpretation" of it. It pretty much demonizes itself.
"looking at your own country's history", you say...
Looking at Iran...right now...as in present day, I say.
Your argument about spying is sidebar, especially if you're trying to equate it to the numerous reasons you can be put to death in Iran under Sharia law where the outcome of your case is decided by if the judge believes you or not. Seriously, read the actual Iranian Penal Code. I have. (No, not the WHOLE thing) It's a hoot, though.
Personally, given the accounts I have read I have a feeling the woman was probably pressured into sparing his life. Regardless of whether or not she was and whether or not her forgiveness was genuine, my point was that the fact this is how the Iranian justice system works in the first place is what is truly sad about this article.
I'm not "going off" on anyone. I'm just saying this one act of mercy, while great is massively overshadowed otherwise by Iran's religious laws and lack of human rights enforced by a military dictatorship.
That act of mercy, will not pave the way to a more progressive Iran, not as long as the people in power now remain in power. And uh...the only safe place to oppose the political and religious leadership in Iran is...not in Iran. But of course, according to Ahmadinejad himself all opposition to his rule is all a Western plot that has been enacted by the CIA.
[QUOTE=IGotWorms;44576024]You need sources? Like...because maybe I'm just making it up? Holy shit, is your google broken? No offense, but you seriously need to read up on Apostasy law in Iran. And if you don't believe me about the Christian pastor who was sentenced to death and told he had to denounce his faith and convert back to Islam then also look up "Youcef Nadarkhani."
You're dumbvoting me and you don't even know what the hell you're talking about. I don't take it personally though but you are seriously uninformed.
You're wrong about stoning sentences as well. It has not been outlawed either. Go back and read through my comments on the first page. There was a "directive" in 2002 to suggest stoning be stopped but the laws were not changed. And you're the second person to misquote that now.
"TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Officials say two men in Iran have been stoned to death for adultery and murder, while another escaped death by digging his way out of the hole where he was buried to face a similar fate, according to media reports." -2009
And if CNN is too "liberal" for you, you can find this on numerous other major news outlets including Fox and...oh yeah...official Iranian news as well.
So 10 years since Iran stopped stoning? So, let's see...it's 2019 already? Man...I must have overslept.
A woman was also sentenced to be stoned to death in 2010 as well. So...yeah. Nope.
Edit: Awww...what's wrong now? Don't like being wrong?[/QUOTE]
20 countries have apostasy laws and it's not exclusive to Iran. Youcef Nadarkhani was born a muslim and converted to Christianity later and then started working as a missionary. Iranian Christians (those born into the religion) are protected and can freely practice their religion. Also, there have been no known executions for apostasy since 1990 (even though a few people have been convicted).
"Following vociferous domestic and international controversy over stoning in the early years of the Islamic Republic, the government placed a moratorium on stoning in 2002. In January 2005, the Iranian judiciary spokesman Jamal Karimirad was quoted as saying, "Stoning has been dropped from the penal code for a long time, and in the Islamic republic, we do not see such punishments being carried out", further adding that if stoning sentences were passed by lower courts, they were overruled by higher courts and "no such verdicts have been carried out." In 2008 Iran's judiciary scrapped stoning in draft legislation submitted to parliament for approval. The 2012 penal code officially ended the punishment of stoning in Iran."
Nope, my point still stands, it's not being handed down or carried out anymore.
[QUOTE=IGotWorms;44576189]Well...it's not very hard to demonize Sharia law, especially Iran's "Funterpretation" of it. It pretty much demonizes itself.
"looking at your own country's history", you say...
Looking at Iran...right now...as in present day, I say.
Your argument about spying is sidebar, especially if you're trying to equate it to the numerous reasons you can be put to death in Iran under Sharia law where the outcome of your case is decided by if the judge believes you or not. Seriously, read the actual Iranian Penal Code. I have. (No, not the WHOLE thing) It's a hoot, though.
Personally, given the accounts I have read I have a feeling the woman was probably pressured into sparing his life. Regardless of whether or not she was and whether or not her forgiveness was genuine, my point was that the fact this is how the Iranian justice system works in the first place is what is truly sad about this article.
I'm not "going off" on anyone. I'm just saying this one act of mercy, while great is massively overshadowed otherwise by Iran's religious laws and lack of human rights enforced by a military dictatorship.
That act of mercy, will not pave the way to a more progressive Iran, not as long as the people in power now remain in power. And uh...the only safe place to oppose the political and religious leadership in Iran is...not in Iran.[/QUOTE]
Hey buddy, not being funny but your country is one of the sole reasons the Middle East is a clusterfuck right now, hell your government put Saddam in charge of Iraq, that backfired didn't it?
So what do you suggest when saying the only way to oppose the political and religious leadership in Iran is out of it? What you going to do? Sign a petition? Write the Iranian Government a strong letter? There's bugger all that can be done outside unless it's pressure or restrictions placed by various governments or the U.N citing on grounds of human rights. But it won't happen, too much tension in that region for them to dip their toes in, the only way the people of Iran to sway the tide is unfortunately, do it themselves.
Also here's a little something for you, The first modern concentration camps were found in the United States in 1838, when the Van Buren administration saw fit to remove the indigenous Cherokee population. The people who are locked away in such a prison, are not usually yet found guilty of a crime, but may be politically against the leaders of a region, people who are of a certain race or religion, or non-military prisoners of war. They were interred without trial, sounds similar doesn't it?
[QUOTE=aydin690;44576208]20 countries have apostasy laws and it's not exclusive to Iran. Youcef Nadarkhani was born a muslim and converted to Christianity later and then started working as a missionary. Iranian Christians (those born into the religion) are protected and can freely practice their religion. Also, there have been no known executions for apostasy since 1990 (despite a few people being convicted).
Following vociferous domestic and international controversy over stoning in the early years of the Islamic Republic, the government placed a moratorium on stoning in 2002.[37] In January 2005, the Iranian judiciary spokesman Jamal Karimirad was quoted as saying, "Stoning has been dropped from the penal code for a long time, and in the Islamic republic, we do not see such punishments being carried out", further adding that if stoning sentences were passed by lower courts, they were overruled by higher courts and "no such verdicts have been carried out."[38] In 2007 and 2009 the moratorium was broken in two cases for men being stoned for murder and adultery, after Karimirad's report took place.[39][40]
"Following vociferous domestic and international controversy over stoning in the early years of the Islamic Republic, the government placed a moratorium on stoning in 2002. In January 2005, the Iranian judiciary spokesman Jamal Karimirad was quoted as saying, "Stoning has been dropped from the penal code for a long time, and in the Islamic republic, we do not see such punishments being carried out", further adding that if stoning sentences were passed by lower courts, they were overruled by higher courts and "no such verdicts have been carried out." In 2008 Iran's judiciary scrapped stoning in draft legislation submitted to parliament for approval. The 2012 penal code officially ended the punishment of stoning in Iran."
Nope, my point still stands, it's not being handed down or carried out anymore.[/QUOTE]
Golly, gosh thanks for that copy and paste job from Wikipedia. I see you did a lot of [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaADQTeZRCY"]"research."[/URL]
Let's see how long it takes me to dispel your argument using only your own quotes.
[QUOTE=aydin690;44576208]Nope, my point still stands, it's not being handed down or carried out anymore.[/quote]
[QUOTE=aydin690;44576208]In January 2005, the Iranian judiciary spokesman Jamal Karimirad was quoted as saying, "Stoning has been dropped from the penal code for a long time, and in the Islamic republic, we do not see such punishments being carried out"[/quote]
[QUOTE=aydin690;44575959]Also, stoning sentences haven't been handed down or carried out in over 10 years.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=aydin690;44576208]In 2007 and 2009 the moratorium was broken in two cases for men being stoned for murder and adultery, after Karimirad's report took place.[39][40][/quote]
[QUOTE=aydin690;44576208]The 2012 penal code officially ended the punishment of stoning in Iran.[/quote]
No, the 2012 penal code did not officially end the punishment of stoning in Iran. Stoning is still listed as a punishment for adultery.
An amendment to the penal code vaguely states that if a stoning cannot be carried out that a judge may recommend another means of execution. However, it does not outlaw stoning. You're using that word, "officially" wrong.
The current Iranian penal code is still replete with numerous references to stoning. Oh and hey...here's an even funner one. Guess what else is on the books for executions under the Iranian penal code. Crucifixions! [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaADQTeZRCY"]Stop copy/pasting from Wikipedia.[/URL] Read the actual articles of the Iranian penal code.
But hey...I guess it's nice of the judges to have the personal leeway to be able to just pick a different unpleasant method of death instead of a stoning. It's still death though.
Show us the sources for the Iranian Penal Code or the sources from which you get these from? All we got to go on is your word. You keep saying "No, it hasn't been stopped blah blah" but you haven't provided us proof to say otherwise, so your argument at the moment is a dubious one at best.
[QUOTE=JPsRcE;44576342]Show us the sources for the Iranian Penal Code or the sources from which you get these from? All we got to go on is your word. You keep saying "No, it hasn't been stopped blah blah" but you haven't provided us proof to say otherwise, so your argument at the moment is a dubious one at best.[/QUOTE]
Sources are: THE ACTUAL IRANIAN PENAL CODE
If you're interested in Iranian penal code and knowing what you're talking about I would highly recommend reading it. There are even official English translations of the Penal Code available as well. I'm not going to spoon-feed everything to you just because you can't be assed to educate yourself.
You can still be stoned to death under Iranian penal code. You can even be crucified under Iranian penal code. Now, I don't live in Iran personally so I can't say I've seen them crucify anyone lately and I'm not claiming they have...but...it is there in their official laws. Iran has announced the stonings themselves in 2009, although aydin690 originally tried to claim there have been no stonings since 2002. A woman was sentenced to be stoned to death in 2010 as well. She ended up not being stoned to death but regardless the sentence was still originally given for her to be stoned.
Who says I haven't read it? Oh, you mean the Hudud, one of the four punishments in Islamic Penal Law? I just want to see how long you keep calling it the Iranian Penal Code, I thought you would have corrected me when I said it but no and you say I haven't educated myself.
[QUOTE=JPsRcE;44576521]Who says I haven't read it? Oh, you mean the Hudud, one of the four punishments in Islamic Penal Law? I just want to see how long you keep calling it the Iranian Penal Code, I thought you would have corrected me when I said it but no and you say I'm haven't educated myself.[/QUOTE]
Once again, [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaADQTeZRCY"]Thanks Professor Wikipedia:[/URL] "Hudud is one of four categories of punishment in Islamic Penal Law:[1]" You quoted it straight from Wikipedia. You're so wise...like a [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA10-DyWDTs"]miniature Buddha.[/URL]
Again, why don't you actually read what you just said. You said, "Hudud, one of the four punishments in Islamic Penal Law?"
I'm talking about Iranian Penal Code/Law as a *whole*. Also, you're talking about Islamic Penal Law. This is not exactly the same as Iranian Penal Law. It is based on Islamic law of course but Iran has it's own special interpretations of said laws, which is why I specifically referred to it as the Iranian Penal code.
If you had read any parts of the Penal Code, specifically the ones I had already cited then you would not be pestering me with stupid questions about it, since if you had then you would already know what I have said is true, straight from the horse's mouth.
I was hoping that she rescued him like in an action movie.
[QUOTE=IGotWorms;44576582]Once again, [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaADQTeZRCY"]Thanks Professor Wikipedia:[/URL] "Hudud is one of four categories of punishment in Islamic Penal Law:[1]" You quoted it straight from Wikipedia. You're so wise...like a [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA10-DyWDTs"]miniature Buddha.[/URL]
Again, why don't you actually read what you just said. You said, "Hudud, one of the four punishments in Islamic Penal Law?"
I'm talking about Iranian Penal Code/Law as a *whole*. Also, you're talking about Islamic Penal Law. This is not exactly the same as Iranian Penal Law. It is based on Islamic law of course but Iran has it's own special interpretations of said laws, which is why I specifically referred to it as the Iranian Penal code.
If you had read any parts of the Penal Code, specifically the ones I had already cited then you would not be pestering me with stupid questions about it, since if you had then you would already know what I have said is true, straight from the horse's mouth.[/QUOTE]
Love your insults and such, but no, when someone reads and studies a lot of world aspects such as law, doesn't mean they straight use Wikipedia as you say, saying I quoted it from there is silly, it's called common knowledge. It's not an argument, it's opinions on the matter, I didn't once argue against you, I asked for proof of evidence that's all, I like to see people back up their views, like a rational person. But hey if you want to carry on, go ahead good sir. I'm not defending their laws, I dislike them as much as the next person but it's the way their country runs, but the sooner they can progress from the "inside" then nothing will change unfortunately.
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