• Sony announces Scholarships for women trying to get into the gaming industry
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there's something incredibly satisfying about making a computer bend to your will. to finally become a creator instead of just a user. to see your vision slowly come alive. it's awesome stuff, and there are many people who LOVE programming games.
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;39695972]dude most skilled careers are like that. engineers do tedious work, scientists do tedious work, it doesn't mean these careers are boring to someone who is fascinated in the subject matter. i do web dev as a hobby and i find it fascinating despite the tedious work involved.[/QUOTE] Of course it's fun as a hobby, but when you're punching in 9-5 everyday, it's not fun anymore. Sure you get used to it, but far too many people think working in the game industry is one wild party. It's a job like any other job
[QUOTE='[sluggo];39695800']That is how genders work though, as a rule, men and women have different interests. [B]How many women compared to men play videogames? Not many[/B], and the reason for that is not massive discrimination. Get the best [b]people[/b] into the industry, regardless of gender/race/physical characteristics.[/QUOTE] lmao god you are dense notice how computer usage and tv usage aren't only for one gender? But the things they watch or do on one can be? Well why aren't video games like that? Hint: because the video game industry doesn't cater to women. There are no games for women, only for men
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39696009]lmao god you are dense notice how computer usage and tv usage aren't only for one gender? But the things they watch or do on one can be? Well why aren't video games like that? Hint: because the video game industry doesn't cater to women. [B]There are no games for women, only for men[/B][/QUOTE] What? Very few games I have played are marketed to the extreme male audience. Bayonetta and gears of war are good examples. But you have games like far cry 3, burnout, call of duty, need for speed, natural selection, ghost recon, that both males and females can find fun and interesting. You don't make a game and go "this will be JUST for males, no females allowed." Hell, the casual game market is fucking huge at this point. I'm not saying that women JUST play casual games, but the majority do. And you know what? A bunch of males play the same casual games as females do.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39696009]lmao god you are dense notice how computer usage and tv usage aren't only for one gender? But the things they watch or do on one can be? Well why aren't video games like that? Hint: because the video game industry doesn't cater to women. There are no games for women, only for men[/QUOTE] You just proved my point, the two genders are interested in different things (often, not always.) Where they work reflects that. Far less women own guns than men, the reason for that is that women just aren't as interested. NOT that we should be making more pink guns. I also seriously doubt you were laughing at all, just insulting people as your argument isn't that effective.
i can understand scholarships for ethnic minority groups to some extent, but is there really discrimination in education? i thought the issue with gender imbalance in the gaming industry was in the gaming industry itself, not women failing to be accepted into game design courses?
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39696002]Of course it's fun as a hobby, but when you're punching in 9-5 everyday, it's not fun anymore. Sure you get used to it, but far too many people think working in the game industry is one wild party. It's a job like any other job[/QUOTE] not for a lot of people in the industry. the same goes for most skilled jobs. if you have a passion for it, you are willing to overlook the tedium of the work because you enjoy what you create. i'll put it like this. when i was learning to be an audio engineer, i had to do a lot of assistance engineer work. that means that i did exciting shit like: setting up microphones patching channels to compressors/busses/fx, etc. watch people play music i 9 times out of 10 wasn't actually interested in spend hours sitting around as musicians took their sweet time listening to their takes yet it was still fun even though it was incredibly draining and boring. i got to become the vessel people created art through. the work was satisfying even after spending 10 hours in a studio listening to some kid with an acoustic guitar, not enough talent, and way too much money for studio time. you might not understand because programming or audio technology aren't your passions, but i would be willing to bet that i would probably find [I]your[/I] passion incredibly tedious and boring as well.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];39696103']You just proved my point, the two genders are interested in different things (often, not always.) Where they work reflects that. Far less women own guns than men, the reason for that is that women just aren't as interested. NOT that we should be making more pink guns. I also seriously doubt you were laughing at all, just insulting people as your argument isn't that effective.[/QUOTE] you're going against years of Sociological critique of the entertainment industry, and you're just some forum poster no on has heard of. This isn't my idea that I came up with, this is something that is talked about in allot by allot of social commentators.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39696118]not for a lot of people in the industry. the same goes for most skilled jobs. if you have a passion for it, you are willing to overlook the tedium of the work because you enjoy what you create. i'll put it like this. when i was learning to be an audio engineer, i had to do a lot of assistance engineer work. that means that i did exciting shit like: setting up microphones patching channels to compressors/busses/fx, etc. watching people play music i 9/10 wasn't actually interested in spend hours sitting around as musicians took their sweet time listening to their takes yet it was still fun even though it was incredibly draining and boring. i got to become the vessel people created art through. the work was satisfying even after spending 10 hours in a studio listening to some kid with an acoustic guitar, not enough talent, and way too much money for studio time. you might not understand because programming or audio technology aren't your passions, but i would be willing to bet that i would probably find [i]your[/i] passion incredibly tedious and boring as well.[/QUOTE] I think we're misunderstanding each other. I agree with you, I've done a lot of coding, but I couldn't imagine doing it as a job. If you can look past the tedium, more power to you, I just hate when people think that game development is a big party
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39696139]you're going against years of Sociological critique of the entertainment industry, and you're just some forum poster no on has heard of. This isn't my idea that I came up with, this is something that is talked about in allot by allot of social commentators.[/QUOTE] Can you challenge what I said or not? All you did was say "people agree with me", what I said wasn't wrong. I can also go against years of social critique of how video games are evil and cause violence and murder, doesn't make me wrong.
These threads always start as shitstorms, and then settle down as the idiots leave. This scholarship is exactly what I suggested in the last thread. If more of this is done, we will see a lot more women presenting at shows, and at management positions in game companies, in around a decade, depending on how quickly the students and programs work. I am happy that Sony is doing this. It is exactly what is needed, as I said before, however, we have to play our own part in battling institutional sexism by not being dicks every time something like this happens.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39696148]I think we're misunderstanding each other. I agree with you, I've done a lot of coding, but I couldn't imagine doing it as a job. If you can look past the tedium, more power to you, I just hate when people think that game development is a big party[/QUOTE] Nobody ever said it was a big party.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];39696103']You just proved my point, the two genders are interested in different things (often, not always.) Where they work reflects that. Far less women own guns than men, the reason for that is that women just aren't as interested. NOT that we should be making more pink guns. I also seriously doubt you were laughing at all, just insulting people as your argument isn't that effective.[/QUOTE] that's not actually grounded in fact. you can explain the inequalities in certain industries with discrimination. the game industry is a perfect example of rampant misogyny. adam sessler actually does a fairly good job articulating some of this. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umj2dnACo64[/media] [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Ericson666;39696148]I think we're misunderstanding each other. I agree with you, I've done a lot of coding, but I couldn't imagine doing it as a job. If you can look past the tedium, more power to you, I just hate when people think that game development is a big party[/QUOTE] no one serious about dev work thinks it's a big party. i can see some teenager or young adult thinking that, but not someone with a lot of coding experience.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39695366][IMG]http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/featured/sonyonlineentertainment/scholarship610.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE] Am I the only one seeing an incomplete anarchist symbol on the screen?
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39695714]Good on them, diversity is really important when it comes to art. If more women joined the field, we'd have a lot of cool new viewpoints and styles of storytelling Someone make this a photoshop contest[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/9PYO23E.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39696148]I think we're misunderstanding each other. I agree with you, I've done a lot of coding, but I couldn't imagine doing it as a job. If you can look past the tedium, more power to you, I just hate when people think that game development is a big party[/QUOTE]I mean I totally agree with you not only is working in a cube farm boring but staring at a screen trying to get your shit to work forty hours a week is suicide inducing, but technical internships pay really well and are probably the most attractive things you can possibly have on a resume.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39696210]that's not actually grounded in fact. you can explain the inequalities in certain industries with discrimination. the game industry is a perfect example of rampant misogyny. adam sessler actually does a fairly good job articulating some of this. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umj2dnACo64[/media] [/QUOTE] I don't disagree with you there, within the community there is a certain level of sexism created simply by the lack of women, but that is not the factor limiting women playing video games, and is not the main reason they are not involved in the industry. I don't think affirmative action is the solution to a problem like this, or that it even really is a problem in the major way people feel. Employees should be selected based of there merits, and nothing else.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];39696358']I don't disagree with you there, within the community there is a certain level of sexism created simply by the lack of women, but that is not the factor limiting women playing video games, and is not the main reason they are not involved in the industry. I don't think affirmative action is the solution to a problem like this, or that it even really is a problem in the major way people feel. Employees should be selected based of there merits, and nothing else.[/QUOTE] 47% of people who play games are women. and that video was talking about actual discrimination within the gaming industry, not just communities. employees are obviously not chosen solely based on merits when you see how awful the game industry is at treating women. [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] and i never said anything about affirmative action. after years of going back and forth, pro and against the idea, i really have realized the issue is too convoluted for me to currently come to a good position on it. but that isn't to say the game industry isn't INCREDIBLY discriminatory.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];39695391']Does it really matter how many women or men are in an industry? I don't see it as discrimination, I see it as who is interested in the industry. It shouldn't matter what sex they are, as long as they are good.[/QUOTE] Clearly you've never seen the comic book industry.
[QUOTE=Ziron;39696538]Clearly you've never seen the comic book industry.[/QUOTE] to be honest, who has? I have never seen someone IRL read a comic book, except when I went to the one comic store I have ever been to in my life.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39696996]to be honest, who has? I have never seen someone IRL read a comic book, except when I went to the one comic store I have ever been to in my life.[/QUOTE] Well you can buy and read them online these days ya know. I've read comic books but you'd never know unless you asked me because I don't own physical copies.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;39697135]Well you can buy and read them online these days ya know. I've read comic books but you'd never know unless you asked me because I don't own physical copies.[/QUOTE] true but I am talking about over 20 years of my life, it just seems comic books have been irrelevant forever now
[QUOTE=The Baconator;39697145]true but I am talking about over 20 years of my life, it just seems comic books have been irrelevant forever now[/QUOTE] it's a niche "nerdy" thing. i know a few people who read comic books. one reads superhero comics, another reads more serious comic series and graphic novels, and i actually enjoy a good comic every now and again. [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] it's an expensive habit to get into though. you can easily spend tons of money a month if you get involved with too many series.
The one person I know that reads comic books I've never seen him read one. Its really strange, I've never actually seen anyone read a comic book in a public place.
Uhh, isn't the acronym G.I.R.L jokingly used to mean Guy In Real Life?
Meh whatever helps sony with stupid backlash over a stupid thing.
I don't see the need. If someone's interested in the industry they'll get into it. The games industry, despite rumors to the contrary isn't that hard to get into once you've got a degree. Four years of CS goes a longer way than most admit. Seems like the overly-PC way of tiptoeing around any possible issue. The industry doesn't get better by having more nameless cogs in the coding chain. It gets better by changing the dynamic of the industry as a design. The pieces don't matter if the machine exists to fuck you. This is just deciding how big a fuck it wants to deliver.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39696386]47% of people who play games are women. and that video was talking about actual discrimination within the gaming industry, not just communities. employees are obviously not chosen solely based on merits when you see how awful the game industry is at treating women. [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] and i never said anything about affirmative action. after years of going back and forth, pro and against the idea, i really have realized the issue is too convoluted for me to currently come to a good position on it. but that isn't to say the game industry isn't INCREDIBLY discriminatory.[/QUOTE] I have a hard time believing that 47% of the people that play video games are women - well, if we include platforms like iOS, Android or WP I guess it's spot on, but when it comes to PC, PS3, Wii and XBOX, you'll have to pull out a source.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];39696103']You just proved my point, the two genders are interested in different things (often, not always.) Where they work reflects that. Far less women own guns than men, the reason for that is that women just aren't as interested. NOT that we should be making more pink guns. I also seriously doubt you were laughing at all, just insulting people as your argument isn't that effective.[/QUOTE] Maybe the women in games hide from people like you who think they're some other species beep boop and think that if something's not pink it's not of interest to them? Women get treated like shit in any tech field, I imagine the games industry would only be worse since it's the intersect of two dudez clubz. Regardless of "how many" are interested in the jobs, the ones that are are still treated poorly which obviously points out a real problem that exists rather than "oh them feemales just don't like my video games"!!
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